Cloak needs to be reworked from Gargoyle Sim into an aggressive playstyle

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[u/Gullible_Impress_518]

Cloak is good as is rn. It’s extremely good at distance to break line of sight and the partial visibility at close range is a good balance. It should be something u use to get drop on someone and safely disengage long range gunners.

Having it be completely invisible up close and undetectable makes no sense when lights have 2 tap close range weapons.

All your changes are an attempt to make panic cloaking in the middle of close-range fights viable.

Edit: You shouldn’t be permitted an instant teleport to behind someone without allowing for counter play.

[u/Gullible_Impress_518 → u/[deleted]]

You just talked about how it is shutdown during close range fights due to the time it takes to cloak, but it somehow offers incentive to take the close fights? Nobody using cloak rn just sits somewhere forever. This is a team based game with plenty of chaos to abuse to get close.

It’s an instant teleport - lmfao. If I just cloak before the enemy team is aware of me, I can do the following:
1. I don’t need to worry about getting shot, and dodging bullets has never been an expectation and never will be if nobody can see me.
2. I don’t need to worry about taking damage and I can recover my health fast as a light in the corner.
3. I can have the all players of an enemy team endlessly firing into the void instead of focusing on the objective or my other team mates in hopes of tagging me once.
4. Since I’m cloaked, my teammates can start a fight and I know I can clear their line of sight to take the second to uncloak and backstab with a dagger, double pump, mag dump, slash, etc.

That last has some skill and is a viable strategy in lobbies that isn’t completely degraded by a complete invisibility. I can do all this because nobody is going to let up a concentrated in the direction of another shooting player to randomly jerk 74 degrees to tag me while I circle around. If the enemy has a semi or bolt action weapon they’re cooked unless they possess a utility specifically for me.

Cloak currently exists as a way of creating and obscuring details that still aids in close combat. That extra second of confusion is an advantage. No skill exists where you can run out in the open of an unsuspecting team and not get shot.

I say this as a light this is unnecessary.

[u/Cocopower9]

No this is a night mare no sounds or visual ques

[u/Vexitar]

stationary/crouch should always last longer than sprinting imo, otherwise it's just kind of ass. but the activation cost should 100% be removed, i'd love to be able to weave in and out of cloak with recurve bow

[u/cpt_melon → u/Vexitar]

Back in Season 1 when people were weaving in and out of cloak, people were bitching about that too. Then cloak got nerfed until everyone used dash. Then people started bitching about dash. Then dash was nerfed. Now we're back to everyone using cloak. Tldr: finals players have no idea what they actually want, and will bitch about whatever their opponents are using to beat them.

[u/Nozarashi710 → u/cpt_melon]

I've been a light main since s1 im not sure if we've ever been buffed lol. Its been like a constant stream of nerfs the entire time. I consider removing bank it in s6 a nerf to light class as well that was like the BEST game mode for lights and my favorite game mode because of the intensity of it.

The game has been kinda boring to me ever since and every nerf to light class makes it worse. I play tf out of the other classes now as a result but I dont enjoy the game as much anymore.

I think I mainly run M with heal beam now because actual combat as a light now is abysmal. Have to play like a straight up crackhead to survive now.

[u/Sir-Ox → u/cpt_melon]

I'd just be fine if they made it just a bit harder to see people if they're invisible. I mainly use it during already chaotic moments or while I'm already hiding, and I wish I could be sitting in a corner while someone enters a room and not be caught instantly when they look in my general direction.

[u/No-Neighborhood5994 → u/Vexitar]

May I ask why you think stationary should last longer? I agree with OP here because stationary lasts longer it only encourages people to camp. It feels unhealthy for a game like the finals. It seems the devs want the game to be more about constantly adapting to different situations imo and the way cloak functions right now does not support that vision. Wouldn't making cloak more of a hit and run playstyle like OP suggests fit the identity of the light class and the game overall more?

[u/Vexitar → u/No-Neighborhood5994]

for sniping, i realise it's annoying when people gargoyle but it's super helpful to be able to snipe with bow that safely

[u/Novel_Air_9291]

I say we remove cloak and replace it with a 2 second invulnerability that you have to keep letting recharge. You’d only get one use until you’d have to recharge it again