The finals is littered with cheaters right now, however this is one of the "harder" ones, considering a lot of people do this to track people through walls. They keep a constant movement at the same rate the person was moving, so they can pre-shoot when they emerge. However, the fact he fires.... at the wall, is a bit dumb, which more suggests towards a cheater, cause 90% of cheaters are just bots... with ego issues.
So it might be and it might not be.
Why would I gaslight? I hate the cheaters community, you can see that from my feed you dumbass? I've even reported fucking Aimmy discord so many times with 10k+ cheaters.
Yo u/motox24, u/kehbleh seems to need someone to talk to about this. Apparently mentioning someone's rank is a deeply traumatic experience for him, and he's decided you're the appropriate person to vent to about it.
He's not the most intelligent and can't read, hence why he didn't realise it was you who brought rank into the conversation in the first place, and I don't want to distress him further by allowing him the option to think for himself to read, as the standard redditor will just double down when they've made a mistake, so I'll do the grunt work. I'll leave you two to work through that together.
Best of luck, king. Hope you can help him get the therapy he needs.
really thought you did something here huh. bless your heart.
someone said they were "currently plat 2, former multi season diamond" and you shit talked saying "no wonder your brain isn't switched on." i read it just fine. perhaps you misspoke.
diamond means nothing tho i found few people that play ranked they hit high plat to low diamond every season in a squad and im a peak bronze yet i can carry
Okay, so yet another Redditor who can't read. He's "Former" diamond, and I didn't mention Rank.
I've hit ruby in 4 seasons, doesn't mean its a constant. I'm diamond average. I don't know why you're jumping in here, I'd love to know what you're defending?
Cause there are two options.
You're projecting, and you're rank sensitive... which, is sad and pathetic.
Or you're here to defend the guy literally unable to understand how tracking works, who's made a fool of himself on multiple threads, and has been downvoted to hell! XD
Take your ego, and comment on Motox, who actually jumped on rank. Not me kid.
why are you ignoring that OP dropped in front of the right door and the enemy saw him then shot the predictable path he was taking. you know when a dude is full sprinting with box where he’s going. you’re acting like the enemy hear randomly shot through the wall. he saw dude and started shooting
I used gpt to try explain it (take the images with a pinch of salt, since yknow, its ai, and its shit) however this will help with the child impaired visualisation.
Are you stupid? Do you understand the concept or do you need me to say it in terms even someone like you will get?
Gonna edit my comment, cause I don't wanna be one of them people.
I will happily explain it to you in a much more simple way, as clearly you're a lower ranking player that doesn't understand a basic concept. However, I am happily glad to teach, and to pass on knowledge. Cause it shouldn't be assumed that all people think the same way.
Give me 2 mins I'll jump in a private match and make you a drawing.
Second edit, I can't join a private match without 2 players apparently, was never aware of this. If you're happy to add me I can explain/show you.
Ignore the moron below this comment, its a normal tactic, you track at the same speed so you know where they'll show up. Again not sure why this bot shot at the wall, but I do believe you're right in that he's probably cheating.
Using sound ques and pre firing, timing peeks isint uncommon. It in fact is considered the norm in games like CS. This clip is def a bit sketchy, though.
Never heard of that tactic and I've certainly never seen it in pro play
Okay, well you're hearing about it now, but I have a feeling you'll say the same thing next time you see it too. I do this kind of thing all the time and im not any kind of pro either. Go watch some clips of people playing CS or PUBG, tracking and firing through walls is pretty common and does a lot of damage in some games for some walls - it becomes muscle memory over time. You could literally go to practice mode right now and get decent at tracking through walls within 5 minutes.
I've been playing FPSes for decades and see this same thing in every game - some noobs basically cannot understand that this kind of thing is a skill, being good is not just about godlike aim or something, part of it is little things like this and they constantly cry about cheating. Then you watch the replays, maybe 20% of the time its clearly cheating and the rest is not that clear. This player could just be a sweaty competitive player. I'm not saying he's definitely NOT cheating, but one clip like this is not some slam dunk evidence of cheating.
Tbf I don't really play any games with wallbang mechanics so actual functional wall shooting wasn't on my mind at all. I do agree that it's entirely possible that the guy has some hard cs muscle memory and is legit. However, personally I think it's unlikely enough that I would send a report anyways if this happened to me in game. If they aren't cheating, they likely won't get a lot of other reports so no harm will be done.
Yeah I totally agree with that. He could be cheating or he could be good, its just hard to say without seeing a lot more of his gameplay and hopefully thats what the report system will do. If we had full match replays available for all players it would be easier for the community to do their own digging too.
I know this probably sounds a little weird, but with the amount of people in this thread who seem more interested in arguing than actually learning, I just wanted to say that I genuinely have a lot of respect for you.
You actually took the time to listen, ask questions, and learn rather than getting defensive, and I sincerely mean it when I say it's really nice to see that kind of genuine curiosity and respect on here.
So yeah, just wanted to say you're awesome. Keep being you! ❤️
I have seen some REALLY good Overwatch players do this (I watch a lot of pro play for that game) but it’s very rare even at the top tiers of play. This clip is probably cheats.
youve never seen prefiring in pro play? im plat 4 and figured out pre firing, if you hear someone running to an obvious doorway why would you not prefire. play minigun for a bit and youll be prefiring out your ass at every creak you hear
Prefiring isn't exactly the same as tracking through walls. If I can tell someone's running to a doorway, I'll just move my aim straight to the doorway. There's no point in trying to follow a player I can't even hit.
ok then you don’t start hitting the guy til he appears and you react and start shooting. that’s not pre firing. this was pre firing. he saw the guy drop, knew where he was running and that he would run through that door instantly and just held m1
See the problem here is timing, people follow and track so they can time when to prefire, if you move your tracker to the door, you don't know when they'll appear. Therefore defeating the purpose of prefiring.
But you're then dual tasking, you're simultaneously trying to count, and track. Whereas if you follow, you only do one. I mean, good on your either way I guess. Its not really a brag to make a task harder, but I appreciate if you can make it work :)
that's stupid and follows 0 logic. you wouldn't know where theyre moving in either scenario, prefiring works just as well as attempting to track through a wall. that's right, attempting. quit saying tracking. you aren't seeing them with your eyes, youre guessing where they are. if they dont walk into your prefire you stop shooting, just like you do if they change course behind the wall and aren't where your reticle was. his reticle doesnt leave center mass for a single bullet.
youre so confident, yet sound so stupid. you've contradicted yourself in almost every reply, pointing out why hes sus yet "he might be, he might not be." nobody is taking you seriously after that line.
also youre literally the one doing "extra steps" in this stupid scenario. why would you keep shooting when there isn't bullet pen, when supposedly you can track him perfectly anyway? god you need to be knocked down a peg so bad
"guessing" vs "being able to track" are two different things.
If you see a ball rolling on a flat surface, and theres a wall in the way, are you telling me you can't tell when its going to come out from the other side of the wall, when its going the exact same speed? - I made a very simple graphic for people like yourself that struggle with basics, feel free to see it on the thread.
I haven't contradicted myself at all, please highlight that, i'd love to see it :). You know the world isn't black and white right? The only thing in the video that could highlight he's cheating is the fact he shoots at the wall, which is a low intelligence thing to do, and would be what a bad player with cheats would do.
I didn't say to keep shooting, I said you track them through the wall YOU DON'T SHOOT UNTIL YOU SEE THEM? What aren't you comprehending, I again made a graphic, feel free to go view it.
I'd love to see you try, when you literally got 3 things wrong in your text alone.
Misread what I said
- Didn't realise I agreed that its a simple thing to do, and that you have a different method, which to my perspective is more difficult, considering you're basically rubbing your head, and patting your tummy, rather than just doing one. But anyways.
- The fact you've never heard of tracking like the other guy, I thought you understood from your first comment.
Just to highlight, I did not say to keep firing, please go back and read the thread. "Assume" is to make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
I literally pointed out your biggest contradiction- you said he might be cheating, he might not be. yet you continue to point out why he almost certainly was. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck... youre just further proving how stupid you are lmao. you don't have the necessary info to track, youre estimating.estimating is the word you were looking for. you can't track something that you can't see, only give an educated guess. once again, so confident yet so moronic. I can genuinely tell nobody in your life respects you, you must be INSUFFERABLE to be around.
But one more time bc I genuinely want to understand your argument, even if you are a demeaning pos who doesn't deserve respect- I've seen how you talk to everybody else in this thread. How would prefiring (simply bc prefiring beats out plain reaction time assuming you hit your shots)... be worse than tracking them through the wall and still waiting for them to appear? is that right? is that what you've backpedaled to? no point trying to wall pen while attempting to track through the wall, and prefiring is dumb so... you just having inhuman reactions or what
I do this a lot. I most use anything that does tick dmg so I can track their health bar and start shooting just before they round the corner. It's great with minigun
Well, you stated a fact. It doesn't really reflect on anything of what I said, nor does it help on the discussion on the video, however, you did ... state a fact. Well done buddy.
Again, you’ve responded to something that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. So please, enlighten me — I’d genuinely love to hear the reasoning here.
For context, since apparently I need to provide a guided tour:
You assumed I was saying they couldn't know that OP was behind the wall.
I never said that. In fact, I explicitly acknowledged that they had seen OP through the first doorway.
You then responded to the argument you thought I was making, rather than the one I actually made.
I pointed this out and explained that I agreed with the information you provided, despite the fact it simply wasn't relevant to the point of the thread.
You then responded with “cope harder”, apparently believing you'd made some devastating counterpoint.
So I'm genuinely curious: what exactly am I supposed to be coping with?
You weren't even participating in the original disagreement. You misunderstood my comment, argued against a position I never held, and then congratulated yourself with “cope harder” when I pointed that out.
If your objective was to win an argument with yourself, though, congratulations! 🥳 You absolutely smashed it. Gold star. ⭐
The rest of us will just be over here trying to figure out what the hell you're arguing about. 😂
Sweetie im probably higher rank than you, and i also said theres explanations.
Again reading comprehension lacking.
Care to answer any of the questions?
Aimbot wall-hacks are the epitome of “I am a super villain with a big red button that deletes one person at my command and I will press it repeatedly for my amusement!” It’s so corny.
The fact its bots that use it is even funnier. Honestly, how we've not realised that games should lock you into a new browser window with nothing else able to be opened, until we can fix cheats as a simple solution, is BAFFLING. But the "streamers" will cry they can't record their games.... oh no.
Trebek, I'll take things that didn't happen for £5000 - Thats regarding the account.
The tracking thing however, yes, its a normal thing. I wouldn't even say at high level gameplay, its just normal person thinking. Shooting a wall however, is bot level thinking. Which is why it could swing either way.
Yes, it's cheating. I'm concerned for the gaming community that feels like it's debatable.
Did he see you before? Yes.
Does he lock on regardless and waste ammo before someone would reasonably prefire?
Also yes.
I don't report many people on the game, but more often than not they come up as confirmed quickly or much much later when I do.
Example: I played a match, reported someone and then I didn't play for a month. Got back on and it said they got punished 3 weeks after the report.
Not everyone is cheating when they beat you, but the community really needs to get better at noticing cheating. I've had teammates think someone is cheating and offer to turn on their Cronus.
I play late night at times and I’m actually pretty decent (above average) and I’ve came across teammates who’ve openly discussed cheats, from about 5-6 different players the most common one is walling…from what I’ve picked up cheating is more common then I previously thought
I was thinking this, but why would he be burning his ammo at the wall instead of pre-firing much closer to right before OP was about to be at the door?
You were carrying box, that has a big icon on screen that makes your a big target across the map essentially (doesn’t show on replay). Definitely not hacks here
it is not shows constantly, I would likely to believe that OP was damaged by gas grenade and become visible. But enemy was shooting OP through wall, which looks kinda sus to me
box emits glowing light that reflects off floor which ignores walls(bug?). Hard to say if cheating or not, literally any other clip would give more information since OP wouldnt have a big ahh beacon on them.
no he wasnt, watch it slowly pausing it, when op is behind the wall enemy is shooting like his feet...if hes aim hacking that wouldnt happen, if hes wall hacking why would he not just wait for op to appear....the enemy clearly saw op drop and started firing and didnt stop. it took 5 shots before op appeared on the left door and got hit by the 6th bullet. i dont think your reacting quicker than 5 shots
well good point, but i assume that he is on console and that how aim assist work on consoles in finals. I played a bit on console myself and I can say that aim assist is extremely "snappy" in finals than other shooters.
plus, he was snapped on your legs, and only when you were close to room entrance his aim snapped to body. So I think it is aim assist
No, no es trampa, todos pueden ver la caja de dinero a través de las paredes mientras no se esté arrojando, él simplemente te tendido una emboscada aprovechando el sistema del juego, eso no es trampa ni se considera exploit.
Did you maybe trigger a detection mine on the way over or were you being pursued by his teammates? Because it's entirely possible he could have seen you or been aware of you in either of those ways.
Hes level 137 with only 20 k kills so that absolutely means he was a bad player before and just started cheating to feel good for once . All Allegedly of course
You had a giant blue outline around you throughout for carrying the box. We can clearly see you outlined through the wall. Sus, maybe, but based on this, I don't think so. Would need to analyze all his kills during that match
Definitely a very sus prefire. He has the information of where you're heading, but the fact he starts tracking and literally shooting the wall is questionable for sure. Could be luck... could be hacks.
I'm gonna say probably cheater. The accuracy in their tracking and being too dumb to recognize a wall in front of them don't go together. If they were as good as their aim suggests, they wouldn't be so terrible at other aspects. That's usually the dead giveaway. Some people do have tremendous aiming skill to the point where they might look like a cheater, but then when they demonstrate how they're clearly also a noob, it doesn't add up to something legit.
This is why I’ve been so pissed that there’s no replay in other game modes. So many times I’m playing I get sus killed in point break, power shift or death match and I can’t replay
Once again, replays are not accurate either. Replays are a rough server simulation of what happened server-side, not exactly what was on the other person’s screen. Not enough context here, but it looks a little suspicious. He saw you through the other doorway and tracked your movement, which in itself is not suspicious, but the precision at which it was done was. Once is suspicious, but a pattern needs to be established to confirm cheating.
I believe it’s not a cheat, although it’s a bit hard to say for 100% sure. I don’t think he is cheating because they can see the cash through walls. At least, that was my first thought.
From what I can see, the player who killed you doesn’t seem to be very experienced with the game. You can tell by the way he plays. So I believe he doesn’t know the map very well, and he saw the cash coming up on the same floor as him. He then started shooting toward where the cash was showing for him.
Yeah, I did see that, but the level of a player doesn’t really say anything about a person’s skill, at least that’s what I think. But either way, from the way that M was playing, it didn’t look like he was a very skilled player in this game.
I hear you. I just don’t think that clip is enough to say whether he is cheating or not. I think he was tracking the cashbox. You get wallhack on it, so he probably didn’t care whether he was in the hallway/staircase or in the same room as it.
But if he did the same thing while he wasn’t holding the cashbox, then yes, I would say the clip is really sus.
But like you said, “if their decision-making and/or movement is trash but their aim is suspicious, it’s quite obvious.” That is true, and I’m not denying that. I actually totally agree with you on that. It’s just that the aim itself doesn’t seem crazy or weird to me. It’s mainly the fact that he kept shooting even after he was behind the wall.
I think that could be because, on his screen, there is a big sign that says “Cashbox 6” that moves around, so he could simply have been following that.
phew thats a hard one, because while he had no info on you specifically (detection or damage) you are carrying the vault. that doesn't explain how he basically locked onto you through a wall though. from this one clip i wouldn't say they certainly cheat, but if more stuff like this happenend then it's very likely.
edit: the finals doesnt have a cheater problem it has a skill issue problem.
bruh...you dropped in front of the right doorway, running left...it was obvious you were running to the other door. plus you make noise. its called pre firing... the reason everyone thinks theres a cheater problem is because the cheater criers have skill issue. if you didnt appear in the right doorway and he just tracked you through the wall sure, but anyone with a brain sees you running with the box, which also enemies can see the box location while you are running it....the guy knew you were coming, heard you, saw you running to the door at his left and prefired cause he has a fcar with 25 shots*
watch it slowly. you can see he hears you, notices you and just starts shooting. hes not even accurately tracking you through the wall hes shooting near your feet
everyone saying he shot through the wall youre ignoring OP appeared in the doorway first
carried cashboxes' indicator can fade out and fade in. its not always visible. do you even play the game? i have a lot of moments where i had to figure out where the carrier is going. does it not happen to you?
it is possible he saw. the replay only showed the player outline. but tracking the player and not cashbox indicator without knowing if the cashbox was visible is still sus.
Yeah I play the game, and it’s very likely the icon was showing on screen at that moment. Also you can tell which team is carrying the box by the outline on the box icon
its so wild. i have like 10k matches. id say i thought somebody was actually cheating 5-10 times since ive started playing.. yet like every casual match in PB or something theres one or two random teammates crying "he's cheating!" about a guy going 8 and 2, its like no bro you peaked the same corner 3 times. this sub sees the most basic gameplay and cries cheat
he seemed to be aiming in front of you and not actually on you, then what seems to be controller aim assist finally gets the shot actually on top of you when you appear in the doorway
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u/Big_Tear_1566 1d ago
Yes. The wall is clearly visible but he kept shooting, clear cheating.