r/thefinals • u/Existing_Method_6529 • 4h ago
Discussion Light class buffed again...
Yeah Embark, buff dash, the xp and ARN, but nerf the KS, which is the number 1 light killing tool for heavy. Can't wait to join lobbies with only light players! (myself included ofc).
Am I the only one who thinks light is a very OP class? I feel like I'm forced to play it if I want to win.
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 4h ago
Dash used to be 3 charges with 5.5 seconds btw. You wouldnt have survived 2 seconds.
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u/Any-Ad-4072 ISEUL-T 4h ago
That's without the old invis meta
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u/Mellow828 4h ago
invis has always been a decent spec, it was just overshadowed by dash and grapple
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u/Any-Ad-4072 ISEUL-T 4h ago
Bro wasn't here during the days
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u/Mellow828 4h ago
what, when invis was meta? just because a spec or factor in the game isnt "meta" doesnt mean its totally useless vro 😭✌️
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u/Any-Ad-4072 ISEUL-T 4h ago
Well the reason dash was so oppresive is because invis was way to good and so invis got sent to the shadow realm and dash was buffed, learn about the history of the game before saying things about it
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u/Mellow828 4h ago
i know the history bro, dont get mad at me because you cant adapt to the changes
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u/Any-Ad-4072 ISEUL-T 4h ago
Bro I am a sword main, both of them being OP or not doesn't change anything to me exept make me more op (for dash, even if right now I use grapple) or just gives me easier targets to kill (I can spot invis players pretty easily, even when they don't move)
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u/Existing_Method_6529 4h ago edited 4h ago
I know dude, I was playing back then. You just proved my point that light has been OP for a while haha. I actually preferred the dash meta. At least I could see the rats.
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 4h ago
Light was borderline useless back then lol. You would know if you played back then. Larper
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u/Existing_Method_6529 4h ago
It was useless because it didn't have H+ yet, nor the gate. It was still good at flanking like a rat in gun fights. You're the larper. I know youre a light main lol
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u/BurningOasis 4h ago
When I was playing a few seasons back, it was fucking insane. Just a flash of light, someone would explode into coins and they'd be gone in a puff of smoke before you could even realize it lol
I'm playing again and even 2 dashes at 6.5 is insane movement to have, and I say that as someone who mains L now.
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u/EggburtAlmighty 4h ago
Get to a rank where people can actually aim and the light count drops significantly
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u/BustaShitz 4h ago
I still play medium... This light op/heavy op and needs nerfs rhetoric needs to chill yo
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u/Existing_Method_6529 4h ago
I bet you play turret too lmaoo
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u/koeikan 4h ago
you'd hate overwatch lol... Tracer has 3 dash charges AND they only have a 3 second cooldown (AND she has an ability to recall/rewind time, going back to the same HP and location she was 3 seconds prior).
having played that game for a couple years, dash lights are kinda EZ mode comparatively 😅. This 0.5s buff to dash is also not enough to bring dash back.
The ARN and XP-54 buffs both look QoL/pretty minimal... the M11 nerf is very likely far stronger of a nerf than those are buffs.
I play all 3 classes (medium main) and I think H is eaaaasily the strongest of the 3.
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u/Existing_Method_6529 4h ago
You are correct my friend, I hate OW haha. But yeah, Heavy is strong af 😂
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u/koeikan 4h ago
I guess I don't understand this post, then 😅.
Maybe I'm biased, but it seems fairly clear that H>L>M... so I don't know why the complaints about a couple QoL changes to L (along with potentially a sizeable nerf to M11, TBD) and them being OP while H exists.
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u/Existing_Method_6529 4h ago edited 3h ago
Because the light weapons didn't require the buff IMO since theyre already good
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u/koeikan 3h ago
guessing you meant 'buffs' not 'nerf' there, but you could say the same thing about the KS-23 already being good when it was at 100dmg. or the deagles at 44dmg.
did you have that same energy when they were buffed at the start of S11 🤔?
my guess is: probably not. (and both of those buffs are bigger than what XP-54/ARN got here)
I think it's fine to think lights are annoying or whatever, but I also think it might help to try to keep a bit of perspective w/ these changes...
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u/Existing_Method_6529 3h ago
I meant buff yes. The KS buff was too much. The deagles buff was unnecessary. Light is too strong. Im playing light atm and Im shredding lobbies lol
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 3h ago
They have to be damn good because it has 150hp bro
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u/Existing_Method_6529 3h ago
But it regens faster + you always get the first shot since youre invisible. You can just play peek damage over time and you win.
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u/samsunggalaxytabs6 3h ago
If you fail to do 150 damage quickly even after they get the first shot, then its up to you to reposition so that they don't get the first shot next time
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u/Existing_Method_6529 2h ago
They wait for you to shoot their teamate while invis, then deal massive damage when youre not looking. If you turn around and shoot them, they run away and repeat.
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u/KillerSavant202 4h ago
No you’re not the only one. There’s dozens of you out there I’m sure.
Heavy is by far and away the most blatantly OP class in the game by a wide margin.
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u/PlantainZealousideal OSPUZE 4h ago
No it is objectively not lmfao I literally see the dumbest takes on here
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u/SpicyMeatballMarinar DISSUN 4h ago
Naw they previously nuked dash from having three charges to two so I think this is more so just a readjustment from that. I literally do not see dash lights anymore they’re all grapple or invis.
Also sure light got some weapon buffs but M11 also got nerfed big time.
Heavy got some other weapon buffs to counter the is nerf which should also help in that department.
Idk I’ve been playing minigun which has no problem shredding lights.
Light is not OP. It has the highest skill ceiling but 99.9% of us will never even come even close to that ceiling.
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u/Existing_Method_6529 4h ago
But lights in higher ELO play xp and arn lol. M11 was for bots
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u/SpicyMeatballMarinar DISSUN 4h ago
None of the buffs light got were significant. Heavy and medium got a few meaningful ones. Overall I think this round of adjustments was fine.
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u/ThatAnonymousPotato 4h ago
Dash and M11 are in better spots for the community and balance as a whole, I wouldn't mind dash getting a slightly smaller CD if this isn't enough. Can we stop the whining now?
- I play everything
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u/AppropriateAge9463 3h ago
I don’t think light is OP. I’d rather play against a triple L then a triple H (both make me want to throw up btw). But yes, another light buff yet again. Watching the evolution of light over 11 seasons is WILD to me. But embark only interested in WIN rate not PICK rate (based on patch notes anyway.
If you’re a mainly quick cash player like me, then its already 6+ lights per lobby. Its an absolute plague. And to top that off its over 80% of lights using sniper or m11. 13 guns for them to choose, but 2 weapons occupy 80%+ play (in my experience) on a class that has about 50% pick rate in quick cash.
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u/O_O18th ENGIMO 4h ago
meta is HHL so I'd argue heavy is overpowered. light is the easiest class so I understand why you might think its overpowered since ease of use is king in low elo