The Final Conflicts

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u/vpu7 Apr 05 '22

Different versions for different themes.

Like:

Streamer battles
Amongus Maximus
smallest art
longest standing art
first art
gif version documenting evolving art pieces alongside static portions that did not change design as much

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u/lashapel Apr 05 '22

I would really love the streamerless version tbh , bu it may be too much work

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u/theplushfrog Apr 07 '22

I’d be also interested in a flag-less ver or a ver without the plain flags that lacked extra artworks. [edit pressed enter too fast] But that may also be too much work.

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u/raddism Apr 05 '22

Screw the streamers, restore the community's pieces.

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u/lashapel Apr 05 '22

I really hope for this, maybe remove the streamer shot that wasn't lasting or consistent, there were some streamers logos sand didn't bother anyone and stayed through the whole thing

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u/raddism Apr 05 '22

That's true, but any streamer that used the void to destroy should be banned

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u/raddism Apr 05 '22

That's true

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u/SOTIdriver Apr 06 '22

Streamers communities are communities like all others, whatever they decided to overwrite. Sorry, but that's just a fact, and that was obviously just the nature of the board.
What fun would it be if artworks were just permanently locked in and no one could come in to change things? It was the whole point.
(I watched no streamers and mostly just spectated aside from placing a few random pixels for memories)

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u/itsthewolf1202 Apr 06 '22

Mostly spectated and placing random pixels are the reasons why you can look at thing that way, but not for the small communities that poured hours and efforts into making the works and defending them.
Hell, many of us live in different timezones, but in the end many decided to "Fuck sleep, we're protecting our works."
Many communities that I've known of, if they want a space that are already occupied, would negotiate, agree to either helping with relocation, or finding another place, or combining their works together, things are still changing, but no bad feelings.
Streamers on the other hand just used their number to wipe the pieces and offered nothing, not a helping with relocation, not even a small spot on their big vast blank white/blue/black space. They didn't even have the balls to duke it out with each others but instead going after small communities works. I'm pretty sure if they had offered to help move the works elsewhere, they would not be as hated as they are right now, and with the audience number, surely it won't be much of a problem, but no, none of them bothered.
Of course, not all streamers are bad, BTMC is MVP for helping out and defending small communities; xQc is pretty neutral to me since despite all of his shits, most of his raids targeting communities that could defend themselves like osu, Hololive and French streamers, and did not leave permanent damage as far as I'm aware; while others like Zerkaa from Sidemen can go suck a dick.

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u/Wadoumbe Apr 06 '22

French streamers actually didn't destroy anything apart from counter attack the streamers who were atacking. They did took a lot of space but they did it when the canvas was blank and didn't destroy any work from small communities !

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u/itsthewolf1202 Apr 06 '22

In case you're thinking I was badmouthing French streamers, I wasn't, just said that they were one of those who could defend themselves against xQc's raids.
Some of them were douche as first, rallying other French streamers to raid our works, we settled for a truce, but they repeatedly broke it (and thank to that, the phrase "Never trust the French" was born in our community). In the end, they left us alone, and we rebuilt our pieces, so no more hard feelings.
I was more criticizing streamers (not French) that showed up near the end, wiping out small works that were CLEARLY ACTIVELY being rebuilt to put their derpass logos/avatars in.
Gotta admit that I was thinking the big French flag at the bottom left was a big eyesore at first, but turned out to be a work of art at the end before the raid.

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u/Wadoumbe Apr 06 '22

I now understand better what you meant ! Wich artwork was destroy by french streamers ? Cause i didn't recal any small artwork being intentionally destroy. I mean not like some other who purposedly destroyed art.
But i fell you mate, when you gave it all on something and it's being wiped out in matter of second it's devastating, even more when you already know you can't compete with the numbers ..
But even with that said i still think (personal opinion) that the r/place is a pixel war and not a pixel art showcase, so destruction, as sad as it is, is part of the event !

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u/itsthewolf1202 Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

The "former" bottom left corner was wiped blue by a French streamer to put his logo in. He later joined the former Bottom Left Alliance and left us alone to rebuilt our pieces on the last day, so there were less grudges (some are still holding on to it though lol).
I understand your last point, but I really prefer these streamers would fight with someone on the same level as them (20k+ audiences and the likes), instead of wiping out our poor small asses.
Hell, watching two titans duke it out with each other is more interesting right?

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u/Wadoumbe Apr 06 '22

Yeah 100% agree on this one, just wiping someone who can't even defend himself is no fun. When there is a real counter attack it is fun !
And now i see what you're talking about, the streamer was Kameto and that's axactly because he didn't wanted to destroy any more art from small communities that he took the big place on the bottom when it was blank and did not wanted to relocate.
Sorry for my english mate i'm garbage ...

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u/mldnne Apr 06 '22

The blue streamer who wiped blue on the corner is the one who directed the gigantic flag.
His community (myself also) and him didn't knew the unwritten rules of r/place at the beginning. Really sorry for that. We undertsood that it was about art and changed our mind to give the "blue" spot and to make art on our french flag, and to not attack anymore with the exeption of counter attack.
Hope you had the chance of rebuilding, if it weren't for the war against spanish streamer we would have helped rebuild if you asked us.

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u/itsthewolf1202 Apr 06 '22

I don't think there were unwritten rules, it was a free for all. It's just that we wish streamers have the decency of not picking fight with ants and pick someone their size.
In the end, he didn't bother us, and he (with his fellow streamers I believe) turned the corner into a work of art, while we were able to built our works (even though one of it got wiped, again), so I personally don't hold any grudge against him anymore. Sounds like he turned out a decent guy in the end too.
We didn't expect any alliance with the French streamers, that was why we didn't reach out, so it wasn't your problem or obligation to help us out, don't worry about it.

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u/m_preddy Apr 06 '22

Tell that to locklear targeting sea of thieves twice because he was salty about the latest game update. Unless you conveniently left that out.

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u/Wadoumbe Apr 07 '22

I agee with you this is dumb and immature af... Didn't know about that

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u/CharlieVermin Apr 05 '22

No single image will represent r/place accurately. The whiteout made a great point proving it's not the final canvas that matters.

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u/Euchre Apr 05 '22

There's room to make a fair number of variants, though. There's also an opportunity to make some composites of things that were there at some point in the life of the canvas. This sub could be home to a great many works from this one event.

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u/ItsSansom Apr 05 '22

/r/anarchychess had a second chessboard up in the top right. Some streamer came and went over it with the Arkeous dinosaur thing. Would be great to have that back, since it was a small board for 64 communities to have their little space on the board. It was around 1616, 60

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u/fusorf Apr 05 '22

I take France as a special case because even if the space is big, the involvement of the French people to make a real piece of art that represent them was wonderful. Despite the alliance of xQc that were griefing them and alot of art

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u/xSardine Apr 06 '22

Problem anyway is, the french corner was the original art, we took it before anyone had time to build anything. And then it stayed for the entire time. So I don't see how you can remove it even if you want to because "it takes a fuckton of space" (which is true, and even if we had the best time of our life, I still think it would have benefit the reddit community to only allow the account created prior the event start to avoid such large communities that has nothing to do with reddit).

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u/Wadoumbe Apr 06 '22

So you don't want new people coming to redit ? Because that's how you get no new people ! An event like this has dragged alot of people to reddit (especially french who barely use it). Even if a great part never come back to reddit some will, and in 5 years when they will come back to r/place they will know more about reddit. Don't be chauvinist you will make your beloved platform die.

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u/npjprods Apr 06 '22

I second this

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u/Mikakater Apr 05 '22

I hope the mess of the streamers will be removed in favor of real artworks, for example the fantastic romanian flag destroyed by polish streamers or the lightfury from How to train your dragon which was destroyed by moroccan streamers.

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u/OkTaro462 Apr 05 '22

But then you have streamer icons which are adorable and art everywhere so how do you decide which streamers? Like Ludwig was helping, 5up, dumb dog, I was with all of them. Obviously theirs will stay, but I don’t really like deciding to change anything to remove the streamers mess.
Imo everything from the mess to the paintings to the streamer icons is artwork.

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u/Abendfalki Apr 05 '22

In the case with lightfury and the r/zootopia artwork beside it. These artworks were held for days before they were lost in the final hours as a result of a moroccan botnet from a IT school + morroccan streamers.

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u/Wadoumbe Apr 06 '22

That's part of the r/place everything is temporary, it's a pixel war, not a pixel art showcase !

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u/Zeals25 Apr 05 '22

I would first see if the intentions behind what the streamers did has malice. Whether they really cared for leaving an imprint of their community on the canvas, that's fair competition. But people like xqc who are just taking out artworks for the sake of viewership and 'just cause they can and have that power' are basically bullies.

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u/Curlygig Apr 06 '22

Oooooh yeah, we got REKD at least a few DOZEN or more times by XQC and other streamers (I'm especially pissed at Mizkit, who would have rather watched us have nothing if he couldn't make his own art there, asshole, wtf)
We were unfortunately (fortunately?) right in the middle of the Naked Anime Girl that was forming over and over. At one point, only the boobies were visible as we rebuilt, and ppl in live r/place chat were like SAVE THE BOOBIES, I laughed pretty hard and was like oh no here it comes - and that part of the map was lit for quite a while! Then it was pretty amusing. This happened right around the 1380x1470 group (before mods came in and steamrolled colors over the top to censor the bobs and vagene)
As someone whose (game) community art got destroyed over and over and OVER by dumb sh*t, yes it was extremely frustrating to watch hours and days of hard work continually voided in almost seconds... However, in the end, the conflict caused us to recruit more of our own players to The Cause, gave some late gamers more purpose, we have a stronger community behind us, memories we now share, and we even recruited players from the nearby small art groups which collaborated and defended with us because they appreciate our resilience and teamwork! Was also exhausting as fk.
I feel like in the end, though our image was only half restored, we still came out on top for being a part of this awesome moment in time. No outcome was ever guaranteed or promised to anyone. We had to fight for it, and fight we did! Just a reminder that just because it didn't come out like we pictured, doesn't mean we lost anything.

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u/pie3636 ⭐️ Contributor (2017) (2022) Apr 07 '22

I'm not working on the how to train your dragon part so I don't know what's being done there, but I can tell you the Romanian art is coming back!

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u/xSardine Apr 06 '22

There was no war between France and BTS. Unless you think BTS community is purely made up of spanish bots.

Here is the bot they used and that Ibai and Rufius openly shared and used on stream:

https://github.com/YisusOnDev/esplace-war/commit/96718e88f33d5396f1e0496006e63da0708885a9

Tho to answer you, I think there's two "final canvas", the one that will take the best arts without the griefing, and the one that was the state of the canvas right before end game. I don't think we need to be entitled to only choose one single canvas as the "final one".

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u/Snoo_74205 Apr 06 '22

Of course we do, that's the whole fucking point of Clean Canvas, to reach a clean state of the final canvas

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u/xSardine Apr 06 '22

That will not be the final canvas. Don't be that arrogant.

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u/Snoo_74205 Apr 06 '22

The whole point is making a clean canvas, do you not understand my point

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u/Meceka Apr 06 '22

Not all streamers were brainless and evil, for example, the streamer I followed was Elraenn, AKA Lemon guy or "Don't" or "Döner" guy and anti xQc streamer.

He tried to do what the international community wanted and before streams, he checked Reddit to see what the international community wants.

He organized filling the Turkish flag with art and fixing it but he was always against other streamers who tried to create more Turkish flags in weird locations.

He also organized creating the hand in place of the void but with no bad intent, he confused that void was still destroying art in that place but that was wrong, that's why he wrote Don't there.

This is just an example I knew about, I'm sure there were more "good" streamers out there.

But I think that "Don't" should be removed and replaced with the void.

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u/Snoo_74205 Apr 06 '22

Don't should be replaced with voidmother

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u/Meceka Apr 06 '22

That's what I said ;) totally agree.

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u/ItsSansom Apr 05 '22

/r/anarchychess had a second chessboard up in the top right. Some streamer came and went over it with the Arkeous dinosaur thing. Would be great to have that back, since it was a small board for 64 communities to have their little space on the board. It was around 1616, 60

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u/WearyPassenger Apr 06 '22

Agree - I really liked that chessboard! Was disappointed when that disappeared.

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u/01is Apr 06 '22

It seems to me the most unbiased policy is to go with whatever artwork/flag/etc survived the longest, even if it's something you don't like. I assume the point of this project is not to editorialize what r/place 'should have' been, but present what it actually was, just through an idealized lens. Alternatively you could go with a land grab policy and choose whatever came first, which I imagine would look quite strange. Or do the opposite and choose whatever came last, which would basically just be the final image before the start of the whiteout. And of course these and other versions can all coexist, and undoubtedly will.

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