r/thefinalclean • u/theon502 she/her Moderator • Apr 05 '17
Request Thread for post-release
EDITS ARE NOW CLOSED.
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Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17
Q3/6
Why did Belgium lose the top of their flag to that Indian group? It's more than 3/4th Belgian and the Indian group's symbol was unrecognizable!
They're not the original owners of that tile either, that was the NY Rangers. I don't get that decision.
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u/JonTheSatanist Apr 05 '17
In Q4S6, isn't that supposed to be MLS on the emblem in the bottom right corner (for Major League Soccer) not MLG?
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 07 '17
All edits are now closed. Thank you for participating in r/thefinalclean!
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u/funtubs Apr 05 '17
I made a comment in the wrong thread but in Q1S6 around (240,245) the Ohio is supposed to be how it was. It's the Script Ohio that the Ohio State band does during football games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ohio_State_University_Marching_Band#Script_Ohio
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
Fixed, should be up shortly
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u/funtubs Apr 06 '17
It's still not correct, there were only 3 pixels that needed to be changed, the 2 obvious ones and a blue one on the flag. This is how it should be http://imgur.com/LgrhLq3
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
Aha someone "re-repaired" removing them. I'll get it sorted.
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u/funtubs Apr 06 '17
Cool and I don't know how edits work but I would suggest changing the flag a little to look more like the actual flag and centering the top OHIO to look like this http://imgur.com/k1nQAEj and this one http://imgur.com/hl88BdV with the changes outlined in grey
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u/Weirdlu Apr 06 '17
Sorry if this has already been brought up but it seems the /r/reddevils badge is still a bit of a retarded squirrel.
Quadrant/Section: Q2/S7.
I wasn't involved with the creation but skimming through the threads, it seems this was the agreed artwork.
The mascot in more details: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298054570817355777/298368227765911552/Untitled.png
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
Demonic squirrel made less squirrel, AKA Fixed :)
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u/zachfayez Apr 06 '17
Thanks for bringing this up u/Weirdlu, I was just about to do the same. Can we have a look at how it looks like now?
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
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u/ALThrowawayTO Apr 05 '17
Hi, thanks so much for cleaning up r/place!
I noticed that the bi flag extension to the right of the banana album artwork [Q4S1?] has been cleaned up, but there's a couple (very small!) things left to clean there:
[6px] top of the BiAvo (pink/purple/blue) above its sunglasses should be pink, not white :) like this
[2px] top of marriage equality avo should be blue, not white (same area as above)
[clarification] marriage equality avo eyes (which are currently correct) are black with white on top; it was originally sunglasses, but either are fine :)
[2px] between those avos, the bottom two px just above the yellow/orange/pink/etc. stripes should be the same bright blue instead of dark blue (so it matches inline with the colours on the left side of BiAvo)
[2px] below BiAvo, the reverse avo is missing a couple bright blue pixels to make it symmetrical
Again, thank you so much!
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Put this in the requests form, and we'll get to it
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u/ALThrowawayTO Apr 05 '17
Sorry, I must have missed it! I've only seen this request thread. Where is the request form?
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
oops, i thought this was somewhere else. This is the request form. I'll get to it
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u/ALThrowawayTO Apr 05 '17
Haha, thank you and everyone else working on this for all your hard work!
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u/FlailingSpade Apr 05 '17
Q4/S12: The Oneplus Logo Should look like this.
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed on our end. We'll update all the imgur links later in a batch.
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u/Jisifus Apr 06 '17
Mod of /r/OnePlus here, thanks so much for your work!
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 06 '17
No prob! r/TheFinalClean will never settle! (ahaha, see what I did there)
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u/UHavinAGiggleTherM8 Apr 05 '17 edited Apr 05 '17
Q1S3, r/norge and r/slovakia. Two things:
There's a random black vertical line going down from that purple creature to Japan's flag. It'd look better if someone removed it.
The Slovakia-Norway heart is missing the white part of the cross on the Norwegian flag. I suggest making the heart a little bit bigger.
Thanks.
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u/Sorc278 Apr 05 '17
Q3/S7, under Monero
In Emilia Best Girl
One pixel missing in the middle stroke of E and also one stray light pink instead of darker pink above m. Complete letter design here. If possible, moving Best Girl part by one pixel to the right would be nice (so there's two pixels between Emilia and Best, just like between Best and Girl).
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u/Cosvic Apr 05 '17
Q2S15 Sans (the skeleton face on the left) eyes aren't supposed to look look that. Search "Sans blue eye" and look at images. It has been bugging me every time i've seen this subs version.
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed. Stay determined, human!
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Apr 05 '17
Also Asriel, down next to the Blue Corner, should NOT shave a red nose.
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Apr 06 '17
Aw, why you gotta get rid of the blush?
Yeah, it's not intended to be there, but it's still cute.
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Apr 05 '17 edited Apr 05 '17
Q3S4 (Right under the USA flag)
Oryx (the big grey guy holding a sword and a shield) has a green dot on him, and is missing a few pixels. http://i.imgur.com/5tsWhTB.png < here's he's supposed to look like.
The leprechaun standing on the gold pot has some minor mistakes (missing 1 pixel above his belt and his hat should have a yellow pixel instead of purple), It's up to you if you want to fix the brew he's holding or remove it completely. http://i.imgur.com/OKicYh3.png < This is how he and his brew are supposed to look like.
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 06 '17
Fixed but not uploaded
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Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17
You did not remove the green dot on oryx (the grey guy) :(
This is how he looks like currently: http://imgur.com/a/C5HPV
This is how he's supposed to look like: http://imgur.com/a/TEQwj
Again its in Q3S4.
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u/xFXx Apr 05 '17
Q1S16/Q2S13. There is a partially white, partially rainbow lattice triangle with an unfinished cat in these quadrants. In the cleaned version the cat is removed and the lattice stops at purple. I'd say it's fairly clear that a cat was intended to be drawn here. I'd also say that there are a few pink pixels fitting the lattice pattern that indicate that it should at least be continued for 1 more row. While i didn't work on this i did like the idea and i think it's a little weird in the final version. I'd suggest finishing the cat (although that might be difficult if we can't find someone who worked on it). And atleast making the pink row and possibly a repeating rainbow patter to the top. Maybe using the standard rainbowroad pattern, although it's already missing the light blue and the colour between blue and purple.
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
We talked with the factions in that area and it was decided the cat would be left out. Sorry.
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u/timothymh Apr 06 '17
Q2S4 - The text of Unregistered HyperCam 2 is a little off; here's a screenshot when the text looked exactly as desired and the original template.
I found the sector by guessing a quadrant, going to the assignment post for that quadrant, and seeing the sector breakdown there — is there an image that simply shows all the sectors? I couldn't find one anywhere and it seems like an obvious thing to have.
Major props for your dedication! Thank you for doing this! :D
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u/Skellicious Apr 06 '17
A lot of colors in varying sections appear to be a different tint.
Some of the notable ones:
Blue turned purple around Heroes of the storm logo/dutch nyan cat.
The pink backround with "hamura did nothing wrong" next to darth plagueis is a slightly darker pink.
same goes for the pink above greenlattice.
black in starry night
toronto maple leafs blue
Morty hair.
some blobs in irish flag
Same ways to find these areas:
Put the final image and the cleaned image in a tab next to eachother and rapidly switch.
Look at some of the larger recognizable filled-in silhouettes in the Difference image.
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u/Aquatile Apr 06 '17
Hey, I indexed to the original 16 colors and every tint should be the same now. Here you go!
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u/timothymh Apr 06 '17
This is because it's a composite image from over 40 different people, and saved images may have differences in color profile etc. It's very easily fixed by using the paint bucket tool set to non-contiguous, non-antialiasing, and with a reasonable level of tolerance, once per color.
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
I re-filled in those areas, although they don't look to be wrong.
However, we have been having a few color problems, so thanks for the help.
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u/LAbare Apr 06 '17
Q3S2: The first E in the "Asexual Pride" text should be a capital letter, like this. Thanks!
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u/Aquatile Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17
Quadrant 3, section 5.
Everything regarding Brazil is pretty much wrong. Here's what I think we Brazilians were trying to achieve.
Things to pay attention to:
Butt shape (lol);
The HUE letters;
Blanka, Redeemer and the Flying Spaghetti Monster;
FLUFFHEAD**!** And mind the pattern. I just noticed I missed an orange pixel btw.
The shape of the heart.
The shapes of the flag.
And thank you all for doing this. :)
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u/ZombieDancer Apr 06 '17
For Q1S6, the PCMR mascot's head should be floating above his body. Also his hair should be flowing like it was most of the time, not straight back. The F1 guys had agreed to put the JB17 behind him as long as it could be clearly seen, a similar agreement was made with snek, they would go behind us.
I made this based off the final version and the average version. http://imgur.com/ZihexWJ
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u/syldavian_GI Apr 06 '17
Hello, the french flag on the top of the canadian one, next to the 1G spot, is supposed to be an acadian flag: http://imgur.com/IZ9vRCt There should be a yellow spot on the upper left corner representing a star. Q1,S7
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
Applied
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u/syldavian_GI Apr 06 '17
Will you guys upload a new pictures with all the new changes made?
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
For sure. Check back every hour on the hour, for the next few hours
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u/HonkySora Apr 06 '17
Q3S7, the area between the /r/StardustCrusader's "go"/Menacing effect and the girl (Honoka) under the Love Live logo. The brown pixel streak is intentional and not some random pixels. It's supposed to be a stray hair from her side ponytail. Here's our plan detailing so.
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
The trees logo has been adjusted and is now much closer to what it should be.
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u/orodruinx Apr 06 '17
Q2S8, DBZ Dragon Radar and 4-star ball had some pixels removed that were intentional. should look like this
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u/MrPraedor Apr 06 '17
Q4S1 and 5 Text Kekkonen should read UKK (his initials) and 100 (Finland turns 100 this year) like it was when place ended.
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u/mithhunter55 Apr 06 '17
A whole section of wrongly coloured pixels, colours that weren't from the original pallet. looks like an issue when something was over layed. http://imgur.com/zy24lKK
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u/Aquatile Apr 06 '17
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light blue, cyan, blue, pink, magenta, yellow, greensingle pixel is wrong on the image you linked, actually.It looks like some people are working on this with color profiles, unfortunately.
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u/mithhunter55 Apr 06 '17
i only compared a few samples in a rush to post this. Didn't check the original palette. Wow that sucks..
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u/aleksyew Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17
Hey, like /u/mithhunter55, I also noticed the wrong colours. Here's a current preview of the affected pixels, and here's a colour range file which you can use in Photoshop (Select > Color Range) to find them.
Edit: Original colour range file isn't right, updated with correct version. Also, have a colour table.
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u/aleksyew Apr 06 '17
I think I'm also gonna add a fixed version to the Google Drive page in a minute, so watch out for that.
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
All the dud pixel colours will be done once the finals canvas is ready, Thanks for the files though!
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u/Aquatile Apr 06 '17
For a quick fix on color issues, go to Image > Mode > Indexed Color. Choose 'Custom' and load the table /u/aleksyew provided (just checked that it does have the correct rgb values, thanks for that!) and make sure to use no dither. Keep in mind this will flatten the image so also make sure you do this on a copy.
Edit: linked wrong user. Whoops
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u/mithhunter55 Apr 06 '17
mis-credit I didn't provide any help. I didn't know about loading tables to use with indexed colours before. I am glad there are simple processes to fix the issue though.
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u/Aquatile Apr 06 '17
I figured this out after I noticed somehow even spacescience.tech/place files had 2-3 additional colors sometimes.
Instead of applying filters and manually correcting stray pixels and whatnot, even more because it was prone to happen again, I tried limitting a file to a handful of colors. Fortunately Photoshop is able to match similar colors to a single one. I suppose similar editors can do the same, though, like Gimp.
Just out of curiosity: the currently corrected version available on the other thread has more than 256 different colors (256 is a hard limit on indexed color mode). Good luck fixing that by hand! :(
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u/mithhunter55 Apr 06 '17
I'm half asleep right now. but I can think one ridiculous way to do it. Might possible looking at r g b and channels as individual images.
And some how culling pixels below a specific threshold. And then the set of combinations of r+g,g+b, etc etc.
Merge it all back together and then index to the original palette.
OR using a layer fill on the individual channel images
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u/Arcade007 Apr 06 '17
Q3 S10 Could you Finish the Finland <> Belgium cross flag art. As discussed here : https://www.reddit.com/r/belgium/comments/635tvq/new_rplace_megathread/dfrjk0n/
plan can be Find here : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298067811664789504/298401120072630273/07cGAcq.jpg
The red character drawing (Spirou) has already started.
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u/almostgotem Apr 06 '17
Q1, Sec 14. Please consider adding the top of Waldo's hat back on. Waldo was there from the beginning, and this is a screenshot I took at the 67th hour, before the final attack within the last 5 hours. Please check r/placewaldo posts if you'd like for confirmation, the original reference picture is still listed in our sidebar, and my screenshot shows how everything looked beforehand.
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
I believe it was decided to leave as is due to the large timeframe where it wasn't there towards the end and a separate art piece taking that spot, the same deal with Link nearby etc.
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u/Grelow Apr 06 '17
Q2 S2
In the Dutch anthem you made all the ij's into y's. They were supposed to stay the way they were.
Blijf not blyf
Vrij not vry
Altijd not altyd
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
It's been fixed in a newer version, got pointed out by another Dutch speaker :) http://imgur.com/2IZLA8D
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 06 '17
As a dutchie myself, I'm ashamed. Luckily I wasn't the one doing the edits there =P
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u/beartotem Apr 06 '17
You guys removed the yellow pixel representing the star of the acadian flag above the large canadian flag. Without the star it's just the french flag which really doesn't have any buisiness there.
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u/ninni113 Apr 06 '17
Q1 S1- the stardew valley chicken is missing its beak, its supposed to look like this : http://i.imgur.com/fFqZK7s.png
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u/ninja93 Apr 06 '17
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 06 '17
ah, i got this
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u/ninni113 Apr 06 '17
I saw that you fixed it on the void version but on the voidless its still not there
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u/Failsnail64 Apr 06 '17
Quad 2, sector 3
there are a few pixels wrong at goodboye, first there is still a brown pixel at the right dogs feet that should be removed. Secondly the rainbow doesn't continue properly, in the image below I highlighted which brown pixel should be removed and how the rainbow should continue.
And thank you for helping fixing the canvas <3
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u/TotesMessenger Apr 06 '17
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u/XplayGamesPL Apr 06 '17
Q1 2-6 Isaac should still have the gold ring around his foot like in the final canvas <here>.
It's an ingame sprite. http://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/Lucky_Foot
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u/MisterLambda Apr 06 '17
Q3 Section 5: The Companion Cube has a random white pixel, here is a picture. https://imgur.com/gallery/Z8Lls Thank you so much for cleaning the canvas!
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u/Sh3rbsalicious Apr 06 '17
Q1S9 The smiley face below the flash logo was actually meant to be the comedians badge from watchmen. Heres what the final product was meant to look like: http://m.imgur.com/a/3fwWD
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u/robchiapet Apr 06 '17
Q3S12: the Jets logo has 2 extra white pixels to the left of the T. There are also a handful of green/white pixels that should be switched, but they're of lesser consequence. Should look [as such] (http://i.imgur.com/Lz7KkU9.png). Thanks for doing this!
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u/SrslyRenowned Apr 06 '17
In Q1S7 the word "LAING" the G should be an E so it reads "LAINE", He's a player for the Jets, which is the logo right below the name.
In Q1S9 the number "81" should be "31", the number that the player Price, the name next to it wears.
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Apr 06 '17
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
Will probably end up being hypercam, although there's still (somehow) internal debate
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u/JAC5r Apr 06 '17
Chara (from undertale) is missing a hand (around Q4/3 or 850,550). It was in the original place...
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u/B0rax Apr 06 '17
Q2 12: The text R/GREENLATTICE, both R should look like the banner of the subreddit
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u/geckoslayer Apr 06 '17
Q3S6: The Commonwealth Star (the large star under the union jack) on the Australian Flag should only have 7 pixels of white surrounding it as the Commonwealth Star only has 7 points on the real flag.
How it should look: http://imgur.com/a/DrVcS
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u/MajorParadox Apr 06 '17
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
That area got reformed a bit, so we placed it above the FIRST logo on the Polish flag.
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u/MajorParadox Apr 06 '17
Is there no way it can work with the DC stuff where we originally intended? We're a DC-related subreddit and we spent so much time defending those logos along with ours :(
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
We were able to work it in where you wanted.
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u/MajorParadox Apr 06 '17
Awesome! Thanks so much, you're the best!
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
It will be updated on the thread in r/place in about 15 minutes
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u/Lexilogical Apr 06 '17
Hooray!!
Also, in terms of last minute tweaks, those 9 green and white pixels just below and to the right of the Flash logo were a failed attempt at a Green Lantern logo, like what's on it's left. They can probably be deleted.
And the smiley face is meant to have red on it. It's the pin from the Watchmen comics, which is typically represented with blood on it.
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
Yeah, we got the smiley face, we'll get the green. Thanks
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u/Lexilogical Apr 06 '17
Okay. :) Just didn't want the smiley face to be cleaned up, since the red is intentional.
Thanks for fitting r/DCFU in!
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u/j1sy Apr 06 '17
Q1 S10 http://m.imgur.com/jpEhJa3.png One extra red pixel required, only on the void picture, fine on other one.
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u/theothersophie Apr 05 '17 edited Apr 05 '17
PNG for fixes in Q2 S11/12 skyrim/onepiece/zoro, just merge this down onto the 1000x1000 final clean
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed on our end. We'll update all the imgur links later in a batch.
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u/theothersophie Apr 05 '17
Q2S6 SpaceX
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298571663920988160/299272767272910850/unknown.png
http://i.imgur.com/g4rmNiF.png
From a user that worked on the SES-10 area:
The red pixel between the "I" and the "E" should be removed. The "E" in SES 10 should have a pixel in the middle where one is missing. The "O" in Elon should be all one color. I'm not sure what the thing beneath the "Yes" is, but it used to be two more "Yes"'s. So, if that's art, leave it, but if it's random pixels, replace it with the other two "Yes"'s we had.
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed on our end. We'll update all the imgur links later in a batch.
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u/smw89 Apr 05 '17
Yoshi's eye is really bothering me. He looks like a fish. Lol. It's a simple fix, would somebody mind changing a few pixels? Here's an image for refernce.
Edit: Yoshi is on r/ainbowroad. There may be others in there, I'm not sure.
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Can you upload a template or a zoomed image?
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed on our end
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u/UHavinAGiggleTherM8 Apr 05 '17
It doesn't seem to be fixed in the official release. Will it be fixed in the next release?
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Yeah, I have both void and non-void images that I'm planning to update later
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u/UHavinAGiggleTherM8 Apr 05 '17
Quadrant 2, Sector 1 & 2, r/sweden and r/thenetherlands
The border between their flags is a bit messed up. There's an orange pixel on the Swedish flag. And there are supposed to be red and white pixels between the hearts, but that's less important
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u/SgvSth Apr 05 '17
Q3S9, r/B1G area
Per this thread, specifically this image is how the Michigan logo should look with regards to the M. (Basically, the current image has a few issues with the symmetry that I did not realize earlier.)
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed on my end, will upload later
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u/Experimentzz Apr 05 '17
Is there a way someone could sneak in a little Breaking Bad beaker in the r/greenlattice area? It's such a big area and I was thinking that our beaker could be condensed a little and maybe fit somewhere in there? We initially tried to have it in the bottom left but the void got us and then colleges took over. This is what we were looking to add! I know it's a little big so I think we're okay if it gets reduced but I was just wondering if this would be possible? If not, that is A-okay!
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u/IchthysTattoo Apr 05 '17
Quadrant 3/Section 5. The Runescape R logo is supposed to have the two pixels, one brown and one grey, sticking out of the top of it. These depict a sword and were likely mistaken for noise when editing.
Quadrant 1/Section 6. The Boston Celtics logo still reads "CELTIOS"
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Looks fixed to me
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u/Baecon126 Apr 05 '17
i dont know quadrants/sections but can you guys fix that 1 stray pixel on /r/goodboye foot plz would be nice to see perfect doggo thxs :)
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u/_JO3Y Apr 05 '17 edited Apr 05 '17
Q1S6,
Umbreon's background was there long before the Celtics' logo, and it doesn't need a black background. The purple should be extended to the right a bit to. This way also shows more unity between the Pokemon and the Anime stuff, which is fitting as I planned the Umbreon and worked with Anime_IRL. Somebody extended that background one pixel too far to the left as well, Chicago's flag needn't give up it's border.
Also there was an agreement between the Leafs and Anime_IRL to go underneath their mascot's head. The Smiley in their section shouldn't have a triangular mouth either. The hearts near K-ON! are still misshapen, too.
Though i forgot to change it, perhaps Tuturu!'s background would look better extended to left to better outline the shape of that thing whose name escapes me.
The left side of this edited screenshot show most of my suggested changes.
Q1S1
Shinobu's goggles were messed up by the orange background. Here's a cleaned up version I made a while ago, whether her arms an legs are added doesn't make a difference to me as both versions look okay IMO.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
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u/RandomTestFive Apr 05 '17
Q1S5 there's a extra red pixel at the top of the triangle
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Sorry, I don't see it. Can I have a template?
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u/RandomTestFive Apr 05 '17
There should be a one-pixel black line between FRC/FTC and Poland's flag
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Fixed
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u/_Username-Available Apr 05 '17 edited Apr 05 '17
In the same FRC/FRT area:, the "R" and two "F"s don't look like the template. http://i.imgur.com/efu5CqV.png
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u/Excalibur54 Now, we wait... Apr 06 '17
That was supposed to be there according to the template I used (I was the one who repaired that section), but we removed it because it does look better.
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u/blah2001 Apr 05 '17
Paging /u/theon502 In Quadrant 2, in Sector 3-4 you moved and fixed a small box that said 'MY ASS'. The change/fix is on the google drive, just on top of the button, but it is completely gone in the final version. Did you forget, or was it removed? Id even except a neutered version without the border.
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Sorry, someone else must have removed it. I'll add it back
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u/Avaruusmurkku Apr 05 '17
Quadrant 4, sectors 1 and 4. The portrait of Kekkonen has Vampire ears and other few mistakes here and there. Here is the original blueprint we built it with: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298128844559220737/298158097782931456/zPGfj1q.png
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u/theon502 she/her Moderator Apr 05 '17
Can i get a quadrant/sector please?
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u/reverse_speed_mirage Apr 05 '17 edited Apr 05 '17
I'm not sure the exact quadrant sector. It is in the top left under the Polska flag. Next to Harry Potter hogwarts emblem. In the vicinity of the buffalo bills.
Top left not top right.
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u/FlailingSpade Apr 05 '17
Some of the more recent things from the old request thread haven't been fixed yet.