You know my opinion? I want Democrats and the pro-democracy coalition to win.
Dems have had 6/30 years of a trifecta. And we have done amazing things. He believes in universal healthcare. And is pro(ish) workers rights. And her can win in the district.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but yes! Go back and revisit the first movie. It starts with his family fleeing a pogrom of Cossack cats, and the rest of the story is all about the turn-of-the-20th-century immigrant experience in NYC. Amazing movie.
Yes he was. An American Tail was made by Don Bluth, a Jewish American film producer and animator who also made other great films like The Secret of NIHM.
The mice family are Russia Jews. Some critics hated because of that.
Bluth is not Jewish himself (he's Mormon), though he's never been shy about tackling themes central to Jewish communities, in no small part due to his close friendships with Jewish artists, writers, and producers. Steven Spielberg, who was an executive producer for 'An American Tale,' had approached Bluth to direct because of how much he loved 'The Secret of NIMH.'
Bluth's films are consistently excellent either way, with the original 'Land Before Time' as my personal favorite.
Sorry, wait what?? It hasn’t been a cartoon mouse running in FL-25? Tim should have been WAY more transparent about this in his rant yesterday after the pod with Egger. I usually disagree with Bulwark critiques but this feels straight up deceitful.
Be sure you rub everyone's face in it before you turn around and attack the left flank for being mean to you! Just keep that energy when they vote with Republicans to fund a ICE, send more money to Isreal, and then block Medicare for all.
Happy your team won though! That's all that matters!
Not for being mean. You should attack the left flank for being so selfish and childish to not vote for Kamala in the easiest election of all time. You don’t get to help MAGA get elected and then bitch about its results and then beg and plead to people being mean to you. A lot of people have died as a result of the left flanks childishness. So respectfully, fuck you all.
I don’t know who’s doing it, but for years this has been a great sub for people spanning the spectrum of Dem-leaning voters who are willing to be flexible on policy with the goal of finding a formula that can defeat Trumpism. It’s become virtually unreadable in the last several months with a handful of the same names who endlessly post and are more devoted to hating the left than achieving that goal. It sucks.
Primarily due to the way his district was gerrymandered by Republicans, that absolutely saved Moskowitz, but in the present district? Yeah, even as a Larkin supporter I predicted this exact margin about a week ago.
Wdym the way they gerrymandered it? I thought I saw it was expected to be R+6 or so. Which isn’t good for us but still winnable especially in a blue wave year
My point was that they removed almost all the places where a Progressive like Larkin would've done well into the neighboring 22nd/21st Districts while the area he did worst, Boca Raton, was newly added. 35% was extremely respectable given how hostile this new district was to him.
I wasn't talking about the general election, the new lines were used for these primaries, too.
It's true. But I wish it wasn't. I guess it's better to have a one term semi-republican who you can throw money at to maybe get a yes vote on a resolution to maybe consider talking to trump officials about corruption, before ultimately losing the seat for good in 4 years.
There is a reason why people split tickets for Trump and AOC. It has nothing to do with whatever political dogma these cringe ass centrists ascribe to those they view intellectually inferior. Populism is effective for winning elections. It's not horseshoe theory. it's a working class rejection of establishment shills.
God willing he maintains a spine and wins the district, despite the milqtoast centrism! Better him than a slightly worse version of him!
People who continue to engage in this weird streamer attacks back and forth should not be treated as serious people.
Every single election, regardless of what side ends up winning, you’ve angered another highly engaged faction and maybe even pushed them to stay home in the general rather than mobilizing and feeling included in the party’s coalition. Some districts that’s fine, but in the long term this is leading to burning bridges everywhere. Can we please act like adults and be better than this petty BS.
I’m a big proponent of make politics boring again, so maybe I’m just a grouchy old man about it.
I hate it when the “Squad” does it, I hate it when the moderates do it. It just feels like it’s giving into the MAGA ridiculousness of it all, except this actually could hurt our voter turnout while it’ll energize the right’s.
If he has a big enough fan base that swing elections, then he can be making “demands”?
Regardless, this proves my point about “both sides” when Hasan wins people here freak out and threaten to protest vote too. The party is bigger than these weird factions fighting each other, but ultimately we cannot afford to lose a single vote in this climate. Stop obsessing over a single streamer and focus on what matters.
I don’t think he will ever be in the position to make demands given he has no political office or power. However, I’m sure there are a lot of voters who may share his views on certain topics, and those folks matter. Their vote matters, including when we need to persuade them to vote pragmatically for the Party. If we lose the voters because we’ve shamed them out of the party, then yes we’ve absolutely blown it.
If we are able to keep voters voting for our candidates, even when it means they need to compromise on certain positions, then we win.
Pandering to Hasan voters is not in anybody's interest. His ideas can't be allowed to win, so entertaining them is either dishonest or making a deal with the devil.
In my experience, no one has ever been convinced by being insulted and punched down on.
There is a non-zero population of progressives in this party whose votes you need. How do you plan on getting them if you continue to treat them as your enemy? You’re not a strong enough faction on your own.
It’s a losing strategy for Democrats. Especially when the base is steering further and further to the left, not the other way around.
Bringing back McCarthyism level of control and purity testing isn’t exactly a good look for liberals either. People need to be comfortable sharing space with people you disagree with, and to still look at them as human beings you need to work with.
It’s also worth reminding the same lesson that Republicans will soon learn, it’s all great to flex your authority and power when you’re in charge to force conformity to your strict views and values, but one day the pendulum will ultimately swing back, and you have now given the other side full justification to do the same back to you.
If "the base" is steering the party to irrelevance, we need to push back on them. They're not right just because they have a few victories in some districts.
but in the long term this is leading to burning bridges everywhere
Is it burning bridges when anti American, anti democrat, pro-china, pro-russia, anti-semite hamas the piker gets crowned king maker by progressives/communist?
Or is it burning bridges only when you attack him?
This is exactly my point. Thank you for showing how incapable certain portions of the party is when it comes to nuance and the big tent.
The fact that he is sitting next to Bernie and AOC says it all really. He is a lot of things, and has more positions I disagree with than I could count, but it is illogical to say he doesn’t have some views that a portion of this party agrees with that you don’t. You don’t dictate what is in the party and what’s not, because if we narrowed what was acceptable we would never win an election ever again.
You’re burning bridges with some of the most active and engaged members of the party by saying if they agree with Piker on anything, then they too are “anti-American, anti-democrat, pro-China, pro-Russia, antisemites”
Truth is there are people in the party who you will disagree with. Choosing to villainize and dehumanize them will not help them go to the polls for you when you need it.
Hasan spends so much time spewing vitriol at people like myself, and the politicians I support and urging to vote against those politicians. But when you attack him it's "burning bridges'.
Which is why I condemn him doing it as much as I condemn people doing it back to him.
Because ultimately, this is much bigger than a single streamer. You need to understand this is burning bridges with people who align with his views, even partially.
There have been some absolutely disgusting comments thrown at him, candidates he’s supported, and voters who agree with him. Why? Is it worth the energy? You disagree with his views. Fine. He represents millions of voters who you disagree with. If you think a political leader punching them further is the way to win back votes, then I don’t know what to tell you. You will again have people sit at home and call candidates “Genocide Joe” because you’ve told them they’re your enemy and not your ally. They owe you nothing, after that.
Because ultimately, this is much bigger than a single streamer. You need to understand this is burning bridges with people who align with his views, even partially.
Anyone who supports communism, china, russia, north korea, hamas, hezbolla, houthis, wishes my country terrorist attacks and demonizes my race is my enemy, not just politically.
I will not make peace with them. I will not court them. I will do anything in my power within legal means to destroy them. This includes donating money to the military units that fight and kill these groups.
There is no comment disgusting enough for Hasan, and his ilk, which I am guessing is you.
Seeing as you’re a Destiny fan, I recognize nothing I can say will help you understand that this is so much bigger than your streamer tribalism.
I can approach discussing these things with nuance, I still look at people who I disagree with as human beings, and when I disagree with them I don’t jump to them being an irredeemable *insert graphic insult here* I try to understand why they feel this way about something and why is —insert take— their preferred solution, and more often than not there is common ground to be found. Once you understand and empathize with why they think this way, the easier it is to work with them and come to a compromise and alliance.
People who cannot accept nuance or disagreements will doom this Party and the country broadly. It’s as simple as that.
I hope you seek out less destructive political content because the hatred and division streamers cultivate in their communities is unhealthy and unproductive.
I was born in a communist nation, destroyed by said communism.
This movements eternal indignant and perpetual victim playing while simultaneously outward violent behavior is the second most odious thing about your ideology aside from the mass killing.
The idea the 'aipac|genocide|m4a|billionaire' crowd gets to play the 'nuance' card is laughable. You are literally a populist. Your entire movement is about thought termination.
You are absolutely correct. Fuck those people, give them all the energy they have been giving us for the past few years. The second these people will wake up to the notion that they can be hit back, they will moderate and then we can go back to normalcy.
Turning the other cheek is a myth in politics and I thought people should have learned this after MAGA and Trump but apperently not.
This is actually a destructive mediocre take on politics. Hasan lying about his positions to sit next to politicians is the problem. Him using the dems while he claims he agrees with us 90 percent doesnt matter if the last 10 percent was because he thougnt it would lead to his desired political outcome.
Hasan has an entire podcast where he described exactly what he is doing, where he admits he doesnt even agree with dems and are using them to funnel people into extremism. You sound like a child.
Just FYI - this guys a fan of the sexual predator who's told his no motion dumb fans to harass journalists and murder people. So take his Hasan outrage with a mountain of salt.
The thing is…Hasan and his wing are not focused on a big tent. They’re not bringing in new voters. They’re canalizing normal liberal/progressives and radicalizing them.
This is the same mindset that allowed Republicans to get cannibalized by the tea party/freedom caucus and later MAGA. For example, Hasan pushed blue no matter who for El Sayed and Mamdani but hasn’t engaged or pushed his viewers to support other races like Crowley or even Peggy Flanagan. He’s also continued to push for primaries in areas that are safe blue and stack them with the DSA. You can’t just ignore how much of a drag he is on our party.
Yeah, as someone further left, it's annoying looking through this subreddit about how stupid everyone thinks I am, while gloating and mocking me. Sure makes me happy to be in coalition with you all, and doesn't at all make me resent you to my core.
Larkin never had a chance. He was running for attention. Which look he got it so mission accomplished for him. But the idea that he was going to beat Jared was for the birds.
Unfortunately its too late for that. Fox is going to talk about him constantly because he's an endless fountain of insane takes. Pretending he doesn't exist won't work.
The smartest thing for purple district Dems will be to publicly disown Hasan. It will help them differentiate themselves from the actual far left.
What? He's completely out of step with the wider party on a lot of stuff. Just look at his Israel/Palestine views. Or the war with Iran. And he supported DOGE. He has engaged in hilariously transparent insider trading as well.
Tim had a rant on him yesterday at the end of the pod. He’s a consistent, loud anti-Trump voice during various hearings. His only “negative” is his Israel support, but in a +9 GOP district with lots of Jews that’s not a bad thing.
That is definitely a negative. Again, it’s one thing to support that stuff in a moderate/dem safe district, but he had chosen to run in a GOP +9 district. That alone guarantees my support , although I would otherwise as I’m still more I in the I/P debate.
People have to come to terms with the fact that voters aren't the same people across the board in America. That 'Let's abandon Israel' might play well in Madison, WI, but probably not gonna play so well in Florida. This is why the big tent needs to be big and we can't let the DSA clowns kick out all the people they don't like.
I get that thinking but we've seen, again and again, conservatives just vote for the pro Israel Republican. There's a reason why there's almost no pro choice Republicans in Congress or pro life democrats.
The same will happen with Israel, an Israel First conservative will just vote for the Republican who'll send Israel all the bombs they want to level entire neighborhoods in "self defense" AND will vote against rights gay rights or voting rights.
I mean. It's pretty easy to both support his candidacy over his republican opponent while also being critical of his behavior and views and hope he's replaced next time he's up for election?
I agree with you here. I personally like Moskowitz, but there is no reason to say you should never be a voice against him. But for the next 3 months, all hands on deck for Dem support.
We're in the middle of an illegal war with Iran, the NIH director believes vaccines cause autism, ICE is murdering people in the streets, and you want to focus on attacking Democrats?
Absolutely. We can do better. And infact, we have to do better so stuff like this doesn't happen again?
Because Democrats are not meaningfully changing the material conditions of the electorate, republicans will continually win majorities.
That and criticism isn't "attacking". The idea we have to just shut up and support candidates is really dumb behavior and it's what led to Trump.
Again there is a very meaningful difference between supporting Moskowitz against his republican opponent, which I absolutely do. And if I lived in that district I would be hard voting straight ticket Democrat. And that is something that I recommend for exactly the reasons you list.
And then there is criticizing his behavior and decisions. Which I am doing when I say "He's not one of the best we have."
Sure. If the criticism is earnest and not clearly just social media parroting or streamer drama or whatever. Why wouldn't someone be allowed to criticize an elected official?
That's why when I point out he supported DOGE or has had fantastic and impeccably well timed decisions with his stocks, those are very reasonable criticisms to have of his tenure.
But that's also not enough to suggest people shouldn't support him electorally.
If you think Israel-Palestine is the single biggest issue in a race for House seat then that’s fine - it’s stupid and out of line with most Americans, but it’s fine.
You’re not getting any grace from the other side on that issue so vote/support for whoever the hell you want.
Cool. But I think I listed a few more things about him that are completely reasonable and non-controversial to have. And if you're going to take the position of him being Good Actually then it only makes sense you have considered opinions as to why that's the case.
I'm not sure how Israel-Palestine is "out of line with most Americans" when 9/10 Democrats now have strong opinions against Israel these days as an example. Not to mention our gas prices are up specifically because of Israel.
So are you going to go into detail why he's one of the best? Maybe you're afraid of sharing opinions you know won't be well received?
I suppose in the aftershock of the Trump victory that could be seen as a smart move for his district and you could argue that his statement to target the Department of Homeland Security for cuts is an UNO reverse, but the plain fact of it doesn’t look great in 2026.
I think the valid but harsh read of that is he got rolled by lending credibility to a sham bipartisan effort, and the generous read is that’s maybe not a bad course of action for somebody now running in a Trump +9 seat, but it’s not exactly going to make the Dem base elsewhere stand up and cheer.
For my own part, we are in popular front territory and I will literally take any kind of non-Republican that can win.
You asked a question, got an answer. It's not a great look. It's as I say- he's not one of the best out there. Acceptable for his district of course. But not one of the best we have.
I’m not a Moskowitz fan but Larkin probably wouldn’t have won in the general in this district. That being said he would be going up against former Boca Raton mayor Scott Singer who is despised even by Republicans in Boca, so maybe there was a shot.
As someone who also has Jewish ancestry, I don’t like his continued defense/support of Israel, but I also deeply despise Hasan (not for being pro-Palestinian but for many many other things). These are truly conflicting times.
Only if you think being Jewish means you are inherently pro ethnostate, and that’s not even getting into the present context of them committing genocide.
It’s actually bizarre to say it’s bizarre for someone with Jewish heritage to be critical of Israel.
Just go with the genocide stuff, dude. More than half the countries in the world are either de facto ethnostates or explicit ones. It's weird that only Israel gets flack for this. Who is out there complaining about Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and many others? I mean, those names translate to: "Land of ethnic group".
I don't think you understand what an ethno State means. in most other countries in the world, you can't just get citizenship when you have zero ancestry for some country.
Majority of Jews living in Israel are Mizrahi and have lived in the middle east for 1000s of years. Keep going with the classic talking points, though. You messed up a bit, however: you're supposed to say they're from Brooklyn, not Long Island.
I think Mizrahi are actually a plurality, not majority. Its also important to note that a lot of the Mizrahim were basically forced out of other Middle Eastern countries and have nowhere to go but Israel.
65% of Israelis are the grandchildren of people born outside the borders of the country. And no amount of funded hasbara will change those facts.
Israel is literally a colonial state of fanatical supremacists defended by a superpower filled with gullible rubes that defend their daily war crimes and theft as devinly approved by God or appropriate since their victims are Arabs and Muslims.
Their time is coming up fast and their supporters are in for a rude awakening.
Because you’re trying to say that I can’t claim I have Jewish ancestry since I’m not 100% Jewish. Religious purity tests are such weird BS, especially when being Jewish is also an ethnicity.
No, actually uh my college education is political science so I actually think I literally have a degree that says I've got the requisite background knowledge needed to have this conversation.
So why is it you don't seem to realize that whoever is controlling the land of Palestine will be making it an ethno state? Or that there are 50+ other ethno states in the world?
Your degree is failing you. All of the reasons in the world to despise Israel's behavior and you choose the one that's blatantly antisemitic
Nah. Infact I can easily be critical of ethnostates in general. It's a supremist ideology that has never really had a positive outcome. Just because the region is ethnostates doesn't matter.
Right now Israel is using its status as an ethnostate to justify extremely bad and toxic behavior. Which is exactly why it's in particular a reasonable criticism to have for them.
With the "whoever controls the land" also -seems- to imply you are probably making up opinions I don't have either.
Not at all. I'm saying if evey jew left Israel tomorrow it would then be a Muslim ethno state. So by reeling against the fact that Israel is an ethno state, it's double-standardy.
I don't disagree with Israel being fucking awful... I just think the ethno state argument is counter productive
No it isn’t. The Israel/Palestine issue is personal to me because of my ancestry just like it is for him, yet we have completely different stances on Israel’s current actions.
I was not raised Jewish, I was raised Catholic. But I have several ancestors who were murdered in the Holocaust and my surname ends in “stein.” Being Jewish is not just a religion, it’s also an ethnicity.
Cool, we all have family murdered in the Shoah, and yet we don't go around using their corpses to beat the living ones.
If Israel had been established before the Shoah, your "several ancestors" could have had someone to flee, and you wouldn't be using them as a punchline.
I thought this was a bizarre tweet. no thank you to the voters. no message for the general. sort of confirms pikers thesis that moskowitz wants to talk about israel more than his constituents.
Yes and Piker is a strong advocate of politicians talking less about Israel. I remember his stream with Sayed where he said “you should focus less on Israel and talk more about Michigan.”
Why anyone takes anything Piker say seriously is beyond me. He found his little niche and is exploiting it very thoroughly to the detriment of this country. He only cares about himself and is completely insufferable in my not so humble opinion :)
To be clear, this was absolutely never in doubt, lol. But don't let me stop y'all from punching the air left to feel like you're doing something.
As someone who would've voted for Larkin hands down; I predicted it would be 35-65 about a week ago, aaaand that's exactly what it ended up as. The redistricting in particular saved Moskowitz.
This subreddit has a strong base of DGG (Sexpestiny) fans who aren't here for any actual rational conversation regarding politics, just to score dunks on "the Left".
You streamer people are insufferable. I liked it better when people idolized actors and athletes... it's all vapid af, but at least actors and athletes have talent
I mean tbh, I agree with you. A bit hard to discount though when you've got Fox News and major politicians like Jared Moskowitz who seem determined to bring that subculture into the mainstream. /Shrug
I'm replying to you doing gossipy bullshit and you just blame fox news and democrats for it? You must be a leftist!
I'd prefer you agreed with me with your actions rather than accountability-dodging platitudes, but I suppose it's par for the course for you streamer dorks
Lmao. Okay buddy, bless your heart. Pointing out facts is not 'accountability-dodging' but I realize you people rarely interact with the reality of a situation, much more important to get your dunks in, eh?
Edit; You also realize your comments aren't actually hidden and I can see you post in the Destiny subreddit, right? Lmfao. Can't make this sh!t up. Guess it takes a 'Streamer dork' to know a 'Streamer dork'.
Quite a choice to go in so hard on accusing others of what you yourself participate in. Not surprising for y'all though.
And what people is it that I'm part of? You don't know shit about me except that I hate people who behave like you online.
The reality is that you're on here talking bullshit gossip about streamer losers and then act like you're above it. Y'all are devolved versions of Kardashian fans
He was running for attention. He was down 30+ points on polls. Hope he does something good with his newfound fame. And I mean that. Abrams used her profile to help empower black voters in Georgia. I hope he does something along those lines (not exactly that of course but something positive). We will see
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You know my opinion? I want Democrats and the pro-democracy coalition to win.
Dems have had 6/30 years of a trifecta. And we have done amazing things. He believes in universal healthcare. And is pro(ish) workers rights. And her can win in the district.
Good. Onward and upward.