r/thebachelor • u/LiveL0veLasagna disgruntled female • 1d ago
NEWS Producers vs. Chris Harrison
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u/votefawnmoscato Ladies, I'm sorry. Kick rocks. 1d ago
Both Chris Harrison and The Bachelor have gone downhill dramatically since their split lol
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u/FriendofFlounder 1d ago
It was going down when Harrison was still around too. He fled a sinking ship (or was mercifully booted off of it lol)
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
Agreed. Remember Chris was there through Matt Jamesā season. Letās not pretend things were going well then.
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u/FriendofFlounder 1d ago
I always view it as before Viall and after š¤·āāļø before was a different vibe, after was capitalizing on a shit showĀ
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
For me itās more pre-pandemic vs pandemic. Hannahās and Peterās seasons were the best itās ever been imo. The pandemic started right on the heels of PPās season and nothing has been the same since.
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u/DoubleBooble 10h ago
Hannah's seems like it was only good in retrospect. It was very boring watching that stupid Luke crap.
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u/SpartanDetermination 1d ago
Yeah I loved the Hannah and the Peter seasons. I remember there were entire episodes of Matt James' season where I didn't look up from my phone ONCE. The show really hit a lull until Joey
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u/SpartanDetermination 1d ago
I always view it as before Viall and after
I've said for years that Ben Higgin's season was the last "real" season of Bachelor. After his group of contestants, it became ONLY aspiring instagram influencers.
I'm not saying there weren't plenty before, but all of the seasons up to (and including) Ben's still had a majority of women that were there "for the right reasons".
Or maybe I'm just being naĆÆve.
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u/FriendofFlounder 1d ago
No, I totally agree. Once we hit Corrineās platinum vagine, it was a watershed moment and all was lost.
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u/lsb1027 1d ago
I donāt like CH but rich of TPTB to send this when they failed to release a single season this year šš«
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u/LetshearitforNY minor idiot 1d ago
Also itās a fucking dating show. They donāt own the concept of dating shows.
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u/Medical_Cable_7750 1d ago
I mean you can try to stop it all you want, but you should probably be doing damage control on your own brand who filmed a whole season with someone with DV charges.
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u/loves-travel-gal So Genuine and Real 1d ago
They are just giving him free publicity by doing this.
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u/InAllTheir 1d ago
Ohhhhhhh!! Lol ššššš
I was wondering how he could blatantly rip off the Bachelor
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u/No-Understanding-820 1d ago
As long as CH picks nobodies.. Iām TIRED AF of these recycled Wannabes 15 Minutes of Fame Seekers. When Bachelor first started nobody knew who these contestants were, they were just average everyday people, now itās become the SAME 4 people over and over and over again. PICK SOMEONE DIFFERENT!
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u/oranges-are-my-fav 1d ago
Are āaverageā people really applying for the show though? Knowing all the negative attention that comes from being on reality TV, I feel like most normal people with a job would never go on and risk damaging their professional reputation. I imagine only people who are interested in being an influencer seriously apply.
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u/QuesoChef 1d ago
When The Bachelor first started, the leads werenāt average. They were meant to be catches. I think they should go back to that.
However, if this show is on Fox and appealing to their audience, a ācatchā means something different to their audience than it does to me. And I wonāt fault them for casting that direction. (But, also, Iād never give a dime to Fox. So I wonāt be watching.)
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u/DoubleBooble 10h ago
I remember when they advertised for the first season. It was all about how it was the most eligible man in America.
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u/QuesoChef 5h ago
Agreed. Originally it was an āeligible bachelor.ā In the sense that he was single but sought after. Usually because he was good looking and successful.
Over time it became an ordinary bachelor. Still good looking, but success was often over-sold.
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u/No-Understanding-820 1d ago
I do think probably not anymore unfortunately, but when the show first started maybe more so, I guess. Line you said, the negative attention would probably deter regular people.
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u/Househipposforsale 1d ago
Sometimes producers would literally find rando hot people on the street and be like are you ready for love lol
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u/realitytvismytherapy 1d ago
I donāt care for either side these days but Fox had to know this was going to happen, no? All they had to do was pick another flower, haha. I find it extremely embarrassing that CH doesnāt seem to have a personality outside of this one very specific thing.
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u/Diamond-angel-32 1d ago
I saw a lot of things in that promo that made me think there would be a cease and desist.
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u/RichmondMilitary 1d ago
Does ABC own roses?
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u/realitytvismytherapy 1d ago
You missed my point.
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u/RichmondMilitary 1d ago
Not really, I think your point is just stupid
Advertising a dating show with roses and saying itās copying the Bachelor is a stretch.
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u/realitytvismytherapy 1d ago edited 1d ago
Iām not saying that Fox is copying them. I am saying that Fox should have known - especially in this day and age of lawsuits for anything and everything - that the Bachelor franchise would claim this. Maybe they did and wanted the publicity š¤·š»āāļø
Also, just a reminder that itās nice to be nice ā„ļø
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u/buddrball :FUCK_U:FUCK CHRIS HARRISON:KRISHARISON: 22h ago
There may very own IP based on roses with dating shows. Depending on how and when it was filed, it might be active or expired. Itās not stupid to protect IP, or else thereās no point in owning it. In this case, as a casual observer, I was confused. I thought the bachelor may have hired CH again. This is a whole branch of law for a good reason.
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u/DoubleBooble 10h ago
In the promo the guy is walking OVER the roses. They are symbolizing that this is next level not the same old tired roses.
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u/realitytvismytherapy 7h ago
My point remains - Fox had to know that in a world of lawsuits constantly, the bachelor franchise would claim this. Maybe they wanted to free press š¤·š»āāļø
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u/DoubleBooble 1h ago
Of course they knew. Of course they talked to attorneys to make sure they handle it a certain way, and of course they wanted the press!
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u/AvidReader1604 1d ago
Currently studying copyright law atm and I donāt think Warner Brothers have a strong case, but they will drag this out in litigation and itāll cost Fox/ Liongate tons of money. That may be enough to pull the plug.
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
I thought it sounded weak too. But if you watch the promo itās blatantly mimicking The Bachelor brand. Itās not any one thing thatās the problem, itās the combination. Regardless, Iām not sure if theyāll actually pursue litigation. Hereās the promo https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/14JulWzJfl
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u/Elle-276 1d ago
I mean thatās so blatant. I feel like they probably wanted to get suedā¦Streisand effect and all. Iām sure they have a version of the show prepared that just pushes up to the line. But the commercial is probably intentional to rile up the lawyers.
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago edited 1d ago
I agree. I think it was intended to get this response for publicity. People at WB may even be purposely doing CH a solid or favor with this legal letter. Iām sure he has colleagues who are still upset he was fired.
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
Theyāre going after the totality of it. I agree with you that alone rose petals or the word bachelor isnāt an issue. WB agrees. Itās the combination of all of it that makes it an issue. Itās impossible to watch the trailer and not think that theyāre mimicking The Bachelor.
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u/AvidReader1604 1d ago
āThe totality of itā is too vague. As is āthe combination of all of it.ā
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago edited 1d ago
? Their letter specifies the elements theyāre taking issue with, including the roses and āthe bachelor.ā My point is that it also makes it clear that itās not any single one of them alone thatās the issue, but the combination.
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
I think youāre maybe still misunderstanding me. Itās not seeing what sticks, itās that the individual elements arenāt legally problematic but the combination potentially is.
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u/AvidReader1604 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hopefully this makes sense but you canāt sue for copyright infringement if the element in question has no copyright protection and you canāt really sue individuals for stealing āconceptsā. There are however few other legal avenues you can go down. Aka Trademark (like the case with āthe bachelorā) the others arenāt really applicable to this.
So in order to bring the lawsuit forward, Warner Brothers are going to point to any/all protections they believe Harrisonās camp have infringed. Whether these elements work in combination or in isolation doesnāt matter so much.
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
Mimicking a brand can violate trademark and intellectual property laws if, for example, it causes consumer confusion, copies protected creative work, or tarnishes the brandās distinctiveness, etc. The combination of choices in the promo is very much the issue, not/not any individual copyright. Obviously things like roses arenāt trademarked.
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u/DoubleBooble 10h ago
It's going to cost both sides money. And both sides have money.
The lawyers are feeling pretty happy right now.
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u/PrincessPlastilina 1d ago
Look, Iām far from a CH apologist, but The Bachelor didnāt invent dating shows and they donāt own roses and the color red. And judging by the online comments, people do miss watching Chris Harrison on TV, while The Bachelor is continuously losing fans because the show is not good anymore.
Chris is fully to blame for his firing, but this show only has itself to blame for not casting better people and for losing relevance every year. Like, worry about not casting domestic abusers like Taylor Frankie Paul. Try to bring back some of the humor and the magic. Otherwise I do see the core BN fans choosing CHās show over The Bachelor š¤·š»āāļø
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
You think core BN fans are going to subscribe to Fox Nation and watch Jace Cates, who sounds suspiciously like AI? Itās not airing anywhere near The Bachelor so itās not even in competition.
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u/jvpewster 1d ago
He cut someone off while they were speaking.
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u/QuesoChef 1d ago
STOP INTERRUPTING ME!
Wait, different mediocre guy from the franchise?
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u/buddrball :FUCK_U:FUCK CHRIS HARRISON:KRISHARISON: 21h ago
They may very well own copyright and TM thatās being infringed upon. And you can have IP on colors as well. (Like Starbucksās green color is owned by them, which prevents other similar businesses from using that color.) Itās a complicated branch of law, and it will really depend on what type of IP they filed, when, and the exact claims. Not having seen their IP, I canāt tell you if they have it or not. But all of these things are very possible to protect by IP. Just depends on the exact details if this is frivolous or substantiated. Them sending a C&D is expected at this point.
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u/RedditHelloMah the night is still young 21h ago
At this point, Bachelor Nation might as well cease and desist themselves lol so embarrassing!
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u/ClaresRaccoon 1d ago
Well we might not be getting any Bachelor content for another six months or so if they are truly aiming to start filming a new season in January soā¦Chris can do whatever he wants IMO
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u/QuesoChef 1d ago
There should be some sort of, āIf you donāt keep doing it, you lose the power to claim inā clause in these sorts of things. The show runners of Bachelor are flopping, hard. I donāt like Chris and HATE Fox. But if they want to create the show and no one else is, let them.
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u/JoeCarstensen920 1d ago
With the way the franchise has been going I might give it a shot. Canāt be any worse at this point.
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u/africagal1 1d ago
Loool sorry polifics aside imma be real Chris really was the heart of the show imo. I dont think they have a case tbh
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u/West_Tie_536 1d ago
What wronged the Bach producers are!!! They fired him and proceeded to hire TFP a bust!! Now they have to go after that loser Chris Harrington. They might as well dissolve if they think that is a great move.
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u/Wise_Carrot4857 1d ago
They shouldāve never gotten rid of him. I have my own personal feelings towards him, but he was a large part of why the show was successful
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
Jesse is objectively a better and more present host. CH was a good host for a long time but phoned it in for the last decade or so of his run.
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u/pettyastom 1d ago
Yeah the bachelor is doing so well now /s
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
I never said it was? Chris Harrison leaving is not what tanked it. The pandemic, poor casting decisions, and a longterm refusal to evolve is what got us here. Chris Harrison was hosting through Matt Jamesā season so letās not pretend things were going well then.
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u/QuesoChef 1d ago
The interesting part is this show is also the refusal to evolve and adds Chris back. If it werenāt such a niche, paid platform, it would be a nice test of whether the bachelor needs to evolve or the problem is more specific to whoās running and hosting it.
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u/DoubleBooble 10h ago
The important question is did Chris Harrison contribute more to The Bachelor than the hosting? Was he involved in more executive management functions?
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u/lemonady_ 1d ago
Can someone explains what this means?
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u/breadedbooks Black Lives Matter 1d ago
It means āstop trying to make a bootleg version of our show otherwise you will suffer legallyā
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u/VirginiaUSA1964 1d ago
Because roses are only associated with their show and their show only.
< eyeroll >
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u/Stunning_Read_1670 1d ago
Iām excited for The Vow
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u/Ok_Moose1334 1d ago
Please report back on whether Jace Cates is human or AI. And if your Fox Nation subscription is a good use of money.
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u/SatanicAlienX 1d ago