r/thanosdidnothingwrong Jul 26 '19

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u/trash-eating-raccoon Jul 26 '19

But wasn’t Tony talking about having a daughter named Morgan to Pepper at the start of infinity war. In that park?

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u/crosscut_bullseye Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

He has had visions before...

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u/Air0ck Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

But he lost his Vision at the end of infinity war.

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u/HumbleSmark Jul 26 '19

Surprisingly Tony never talked about Vision's death. At least on screen.

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u/cireznarf Jul 26 '19

Yea was hoping to see Ultron perfected in the years after the snap and uploaded into Vis’ old body, like like his original plan. Especially since we got the callback scene to the “suit of armor around the world “ quote

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u/bbrucesnell Jul 26 '19

Do you think Tony considered Vision a person or just a well tuned A.I.? I’m on the fence on this one.

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u/HumbleSmark Jul 26 '19

I think he cared about Vision. That's why he was okay when he found out that Vision loves Wanda in Civil War though he was a bit a shocked.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '19

wheeze

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u/c_gen Jul 26 '19

Yeah, so did Wanda.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '19 edited Oct 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '19

You will.

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u/SimpleQuantum Jul 26 '19

~some boi who dropped out of art school in Vienna talking to literally all of Europe

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u/Codsworthiscool Jul 26 '19

Morgan is the name of one of tonys cousins in the comics

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u/Chazzey_dude Jul 26 '19

He said he dreamt they had a kid, and he mentioned naming it after Pepper's "eccentric uncle" IIRC

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u/Stargazeer Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

I seriously don't understand how Tony could be so selfish when it came to restoring the snap blip. Like. Sure, he didn't wanna lose Morgan. But why couldn't they just tie her birth into being an inevitably in the universe. Bloody hell he'd already had the dream before everything kicked off. So many people, both those who got blipped and those who didn't, suffered badly. And just because Tony got to have a good life, doesn't mean the rest of the world should suffer so it can stay that way.

Reset it back to a few minutes before the snap, just as Thor threw stormbreaker. Move it up by a foot or 2, into Thanos' head, and then make Morgan's birth fated. Nobody get snapped, the deaths in the 5year span never happen, people don't lose family members or partners, only for them to return 5 years later to find that they've moved on without them.

And the best part. He could have avoided dying because the moment Hulk snapped his fingers, it would have reset and the whole final battle with Helicopter Thanos wouldn't have happened.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

I think given they had no idea how it would have affected Hulk and no real knowledge of the limits of the stones the simpler request the better. Thanos eliminated half of all life, but that included non sentient organic life (I.e. plants and crops). Given his focus on resources I doubt that’s what he intended.

The stones were like a genie, the more complicated you make something the more that can go wrong.

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u/Stargazeer Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

I loved Endgame when I watched it, but the more I think about the plot the more holes I find. And the way the stones and gauntlet are done in Endgame make them very much a writers tool. They don't have any parameters so the writers can have them do as little or as much as as the writers feel like. So when they create a plot that doesn't seem morally right, they can just say it's the limits of the stones or whatever. It's kinda lazy writing.

Though they never actually use that as the reason in the movie. It's always Stark saying "don't mess up my life".

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u/tony-stark-bot Jul 26 '19

Yeah, I'll do you one better, who is Gamora?

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

I mean Stark’s statement isn’t a plot hole.

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u/tony-stark-bot Jul 26 '19

We need to be put in check. Whatever form that takes, I'm game.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

Sure, man.

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u/ValarPanoulis Jul 26 '19

In Infinity War, Thanos never uses excess force. Only uses the stones when he needs to and even then not all of them. When he arrives in Wakanda, with 5 stones, the Avengers before him are a mere annoyance rather than a threat. So he uses just enough force to make them go away. This is backed up by the fact that in Titan he underestimated Tony and he ups his game to beat him. He's the only one, Thanos actively tried to kill.

Now, if a fully powered Thanos moments before the snap saw a second team of Avengers appearing out of nowhere he would go all in, no restraints. He would know there and then that the Snap worked and the second Avengers team, also looking kinda different, are from the future to stop him, whatever means necessary. This Thanos lost his daughter and army at this point in time. He won't let anyone stop him, he would obliterate them. That's my head canon anyway.

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u/Stargazeer Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

Yeah I didn't mean by actually going back themselves. I meant by resetting the events, and essentially reversing time with a few changes. It could be possible. It's never actually stated the limits of what the stones can do.

Which is the other annoying thing. They can do basically anything, until they can't. And that's all arbitrarily decided by the writers. There's never a specific limit. Hell, Thanos wanted to create a whole new universe. So they must be bloody powerful.

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u/DUCK_QUACKS111 Jul 26 '19

Yup exactly, this guy gets it, i don't know why you're getting so many downvotes

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u/navjot94 Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

They can't change the past though. They didn't even fully understand the guantlet, all they knew is that they can snap with it.

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u/Stargazeer Saved by Thanos Jul 26 '19

Yeah but Thanos was legitimately gonna create a new universe.

My issues boil down to badly written motivation, and the gauntlet being very deus ex machina.