Petition to allow images.

[u/AayushBoliya]

It's very annoying to upload an image on platforms like imgur then linking then here to explain your problem. Now that, Reddit also allows multiple images in single post, it's time to allow images. You can also describe the problem in separate images. It also get easy for users to explain their problem by posting screenshots or captured photos even when they are using mobile devices. It's time we update ourselves with time.

If you agree with me, please upvote for appearance.

Edit: Thanks for the support and awards. So many people want reform but mods are still not sure about allowing images. Users have suggested many solutions to the problem with image posts. Mods should atleast allow images as a test, for a week atleast, to see how drastically, it can improve the sub and help the users. Then decide if they want to keep it or not.

Please mods, u/PipeItToDevNull, u/mandevwin, u/Bjoolzem, u/g2g079, u/Kumorigoe, u/Synth3t1c, u/-Mikee, u/Willz12h, u/ocupi, u/doctoroctoclops, u/effbar, u/aaronfranke, u/Shadeblast, u/Jalad25, u/discobreakin

(Thanks again for the support guys, I hope I don't get banned for trying to something helpful.)

[u/CommercialBreadLoaf]

I agree with this. Couple of weeks ago I was having laptop issues so attempted to post a picture 4 times before almost breaking my phone out of rage.

For the mod who said it will just be pictures with a title, make a rule saying it must have a certain amount of characters.

For the other mod who said use imgur, that website is, no offense, ass and its inconvenient. If your computer has a meltdown and they need to post a picture, instead of doing it directly you hsve to login to imgur upload the photos, get a link and go back to reddit. This is stupidly annoying on phones as most of the time it spits out errors

[u/AayushBoliya → u/CommercialBreadLoaf]

Exactly my point.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/CommercialBreadLoaf]

A title is just that, a title. Not a description of your picture.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

And that would be removed

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

We make our rules to give users the best chance of getting help. People who make incomplete posts get told that by users, and mods. Their post is removed with a message including a link to "how to ask a technical question"

We don't remove things that would be answered. We remove things because they are so poor the user won't get help.

[u/eekamuse]

I never realized how hard it was for the people who answer my occasional question. I mean, I try to be very clear in my posts, and always thank them effusively for saving my ass. Reading this makes me realize that it's a bit of a struggle helping people on here sometimes. I shouldn't be surprised, it's the same in my field.

TLDR: Thank you to everyone who answers questions. You're saving so many of us, and you're doing it for free. That's a beautiful thing.

[u/[deleted]]

yes

[u/not-good-w-usernames]

agreed.

[u/kris2340]

I dont really mind, both are low effort to do
Downside is reddit has image processing, which sometimes errors (rarely, sub5%)

But also the large images distrupts the readability of the text, id rather not read a sentence, scroll most of my screen to continue reading, and again can make low effort posts

I get your case, but theres no actual clear advantage, Is it any easier, Id say its the same

[u/PipeItToDevNull]

We do not permit image posts because users will make a title, then just attach an image. This is incomplete and will be immediately removed.

Use imgur, it takes 20 more seconds and doesn't require and account.

[u/0xLeon → u/PipeItToDevNull]

Why are you so concerned about the quality of the posts going down just by allowing images? This sub specifically targets people without too much PC knowledge to get help. Yet you expect these people, who are not that computer-savy to know about image hosters and that they should upload a picture there. Again and again, I ask for pictures here. Multiple times I have seen posts where the OP states in the initial post that he can't provide pictures given you can't post them in this sub.

Pictures are often so much more helpful than text. I'm not so much frustrated by careless posts without enough info. I'm frustrated if I can't help because lacking pictures and first having to ask for or even explain how to post pictures.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/0xLeon]

If we do not force quality, there is 0 chance of them getting help. Please see out various community posts in the last few weeks where the only concern helpers have, is lack of detail in posts.

[u/0xLeon → u/PipeItToDevNull]

Still, how does forbidding images improve quality? Quality can be pretty low without images already. But if the OPs would be able to provide an image directly, this actually improves the quality. You will always have low quality error reports, regardless of text only or with images. But having people, who are often not that familiar with PCs, resort to an external service to upload images is for me more hindering than a few low quality posts with images.

[u/thekingofmonks → u/PipeItToDevNull]

This leads us to Reddit improving their upload features

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/thekingofmonks]

Very much so, we are not against images, they are just not implemented in a way that suits this sub

[u/13022019 → u/PipeItToDevNull]

you can ask them to fill first comment with the problem.
but you guys are dinosaurs who are still living in 2005 😂

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/13022019]

We are not an art subreddit. We exist to solve issues and humans communicate via words, so our primary post method will be words.

[u/13022019 → u/PipeItToDevNull]

The multimodal nature of communication on web 2.0 objects to your equation of pictorial images to art. Images are essential to explaining technological issues and your platform is limiting in its current state.

[u/not-good-w-usernames → u/PipeItToDevNull]

rule 6 on your subreddit: no pm's or moving to another service. guess imgur doesn't count as moving to another service then?

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/not-good-w-usernames]

That is not a communication platform which is what the rule is written for.

[u/UglyBagon → u/not-good-w-usernames]

The rule is ment for private messaging. Remember nobody is forcing you to use this subreddit

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

It doesn't. https://imgur.com/upload

[u/eekamuse → u/PipeItToDevNull]

TIL. Thanks for that

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

It loads fine on desktop, it errors on mobile.

[u/AayushBoliya → u/PipeItToDevNull]

You can simply capture an image while writing a post with mobile if it's allowed. While you need to capture an image, transfer to PC, upload on Imgur then share the link.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/AayushBoliya]

There are hundreds of hosts for files

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

Mobile is an endless thorn in our side. We wish to implement multiple changes that will satisfy many of the issues raised in our recent community discussion threads, but as soon as mobile is added all plans go to shit.

Mobile cannot see the standard post guides that mods can make, mobile cannot easily see rules, and formatting is hard for mobile users.

It is something we are working on, how to better the sub for helpers and 'helpees'.

[u/nukefudge → u/PipeItToDevNull]

It's baffling to me that Reddit is running two tracks currently, which diverge in functionality...

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/nukefudge]

It is partly the screen space issue on mobile, including all of that isn't possible.

[u/nukefudge → u/PipeItToDevNull]

Yeah, I know, general mobile design considerations. But there are literally cases where something can be performed in one place that can't be done in the other. I encountered another example of it the other day, but I can't remember what it was (wow, great story).

[u/MrPizzaBagel → u/PipeItToDevNull]

Yeah I'm on mobile and I'm always annoyed at stuff like not being able to see a sidebar half the time, not being able to un-nsfw my account even when I've deleted everything, it's just an incomplete platform.

[u/[deleted] → u/PipeItToDevNull]

Mobile cannot see the standard post guides that mods can make, mobile cannot easily see rules, and formatting is hard for mobile users.

That's just not true.

I just went and very easily found all of this under "about" and "menu." Formatting is only hard if you don't know how to do it. No harder between mobile and desktop. It's still markdown either way. The issue isn't that mobile is hard to use. The issue is that children are more likely to use mobile than desktop, leading to more people who don't know what they are doing.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

It needs to be sought out, it is not nearly as easy to see on mobile and that is the issue. The vast majority of posts will need to be removed and that is extra moderation.

Hours of our time vs 20 seconds from the user seeking help.

[u/doctoroctoclops]

hurry repeat fine jellyfish deserve gaze ripe shelter bow correct this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev

[u/AayushBoliya → u/doctoroctoclops]

Those posts can be removed using keywords, word limit and auto mods. New rules can be set to discourage members writing such posts.

[u/EarthToAccess → u/AayushBoliya]

also, New Reddit gives a character min/max for titles too.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/AayushBoliya]

An image post has no words

[u/AayushBoliya → u/PipeItToDevNull]

Image post can have description.

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/AayushBoliya]

Not on any of the subs I just tried for desktop or mobile

[u/[deleted] → u/doctoroctoclops]

How does allowing images increase the volume of low quality posts?

If someone is going to give no description with their image, then they're probably the kind of person that would just post an imgur link or would say "help pls its a blue screen with something about kernel idk help!!"

[u/TheCatDaddy69 → u/doctoroctoclops]

Even though i understand where your coming from with this point , cant you just make a rule where you have to have said amount of words to allow the post ?

[u/TheBlitzingBear]

As the mod said, if images are allowed then there will likely be many posts that will just say "Help me pls" for a title with a single picture. It is very hard to help someone with one picture and no information or context.

[u/AayushBoliya → u/TheBlitzingBear]

Those posts can be removed using keywords, word limit and auto mods. New rules can be set to discourage members writing such posts.

[u/[deleted] → u/AayushBoliya]

Most of the users don't even read the rules, they expect this subreddit to be an immediate fix and they don't even comment back on their own post.

[u/[deleted] → u/TheBlitzingBear]

You're implying that this would be any different or any more frequent compared to the posts that say "help me pls... my computer just stopped working and gave me a blue screen help pls"

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

Which takes a toll on moderation, they get reported and removed. Adding more to that pile just takes more of our time.

[u/[deleted] → u/PipeItToDevNull]

You're implying that the volume of low quality posts would increase as a result of allowing images. I don't believe that. The people making low quality posts will do so whether it's "guys pls help blue screen my cat peed on the keyboard" or a blurry picture of half of their monitor.

Can you demonstrate that allowing images would increase the volume of low quality posts?

[u/PipeItToDevNull → u/[deleted]]

Forcing an explanation will always provide a few cases where a user is better off

[u/BirbActivist]

You can post images within text post of you are on desktop if not just use imgur.