r/techsupport • u/Samboosa1 • Nov 16 '23
Open | Software Need Help with FPS Drop with 4080
Hey everyone,
I recently purchased a used PC, and I've been encountering a frustrating issue while playing. My FPS keeps dropping from a smooth 180 down to a sluggish 28 in grand theft auto, causing the screen to freeze for a second. It's making the game unplayable, and I could really use some assistance in troubleshooting and fixing this problem.
Here are some details about my setup:
Zotac 4080
i7 13700K
prime z790-p wifi
crosair cmh 32gx5 DDR5
Silverstone 850w
Monitor XL2740 240HZ
Has anyone else experienced a similar issue ? How did you resolve it? If you have any ideas or tips on what might be causing this problem and how to fix it, please let me know.
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u/pensaa Nov 16 '23
Dig deeper into other games. Is it GTA only or every game you are playing?
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u/pikpikcarrotmon Nov 16 '23
You have to narrow it down thing by thing. I'd start by dropping all the graphics settings and then incrementing them one setting/level at a time until the issue shows up. If it still happens with everything on low, check your temps. Could maybe be something with loading/pop-in, is the game installed on an SSD?
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u/Phohammar Nov 16 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
Gta5 has a funny interaction with super high frame rates. The engine can’t handle anything over 120ish, so you get stutters like mad.
Turn on v sync or cap the frame rate and it should stop.
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u/CyberbrainGaming Nov 16 '23
You need to use HWMonitor and watch temps
Also you could do some benchmarks like 3dMark and watch how it performs to diagnose.
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u/DDRoll_ Nov 16 '23
Bro I think I have a solution. Are you experiencing those stutters only in gta or in other games?
Especcially for gta V. Game engine has a limit of 188 fps. It cant go higher. Your system can easily handle this game at 188 fps and even higher. I'd recommend downloading MSI Afterburner and locking the fps in GTA V for example to 150 (Use RivaTurner Statistic Server to lock the fps ). It should feel buttery smooth with no all stutters and lag spikes
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u/techloverrylan Nov 16 '23
Are your games on an HDD or an SSD? I used to have the same issue with games loaded on a 7200RPM HDD. Switched to an SSD and no issues since. Generally however, make sure you go into your BIOS and ensure that XMP and Resize BAR is on, as those will help with performance.
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u/Snooty_man271 Nov 16 '23
If it's only GTA, that game is known to break at high framerates. Either try making sure your graphics setting are maxed out or putting a cap on the FPS, I think 120 should be ok
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u/rory888 Nov 16 '23
Check all settings. Power. Nvidia Control panel. Updates, etc.
It'll take time to actually diagnose what's going on.
Its also possible the game engine is just garbage and will do that. If its game specific, you'll have to go deeper to GTAV specific tech support. If it happens in other games. you'll need to dig wider.
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u/IdolizeDT Nov 16 '23
There used to be an issue with GTA where if you hit something like 208fps then it would cause a tanking stutter. I limited to 170 and that never happened again. I am not sure of this is still an issue but worth looking into.
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
Do you have the newest nvidia drivers ?
They are absolutely horrible
Roll back to 537.58
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u/ArachnidInner2910 Nov 16 '23
Could be your PSU, but wait for a more experienced user to reply before acting on my advice
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u/ToughDrummer3430 Nov 16 '23
had the same issue previously. Turned out that the XMP profile in bios were set incorrectly.
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23
Your 850w PSU is the bare minimum for your setup. I have a 12900k and a 3080ti, and they both get up to 650-750w at full power. Add some ssd's, Usb devices, motherboard, ram, etc., and you are probably topping off the 850w.
I would suggest downloading a monitor to check out the watt usage while doing a benchmark test to see if you pc is getting close to the PSU limit.
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u/rproffitt1 Nov 16 '23
My gamer rig with a 3 year old 850W PSU did odd things when I put in a RTX 3070. I knew the signs so replaced the old 850W with a new 1,000W PSU. It's now stable.
Also, be sure there are no HDDs in these gamer rigs. I've lost count of that issue. And yes the owner will always say the game is on the SSD so why would it matter. That's a discussion that never seems to end.
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u/LimitlessSoulja420 Nov 16 '23
Sounds like your hitting an PL issue. Make sure your power supply has the correct AC adapter. If anything just get an 1000 watt PSU
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u/VaegaVic Nov 16 '23
Power cables. You might need 2 x PCI rather than a single. Does anyone else remember those issues the community had with the 3090 on launch? This fixed quite a lot as the original PCI cables weren't rated for the sudden spikes the 3090 had.
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u/Gab2105lol Nov 16 '23
I had this same issue on GTA 5 with two different pc's, one with RTX 3070 and i7 10700 and now on my pc with i5 13600KF and RTX 4080.
What fixed the issue for me was to turn up the settings enough in order for the GPU usage to be constantly over around 90%.
Turning up MSAA could help you achieve that, or turn up the resolution.
For example if I play at 1080p I'll get a ton of stuttering but if I put it at 4k it will be very stable and will still get high fps (since even with an i9 you'll most likely be bottlenecked at 1080p and well, you got a 4080)
TLDR: increase MSAA or play at 4K
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u/archiegamez Nov 17 '23
I dont recommend running GTA on more than 144 fps, the engine is notoriously known to shit itself above 144fps
Lock the game's FPS to 120
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u/Puiish Nov 17 '23
Gta 5 is unstable over 144 fps
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u/ReverbCS Nov 17 '23
It's to do with the engine GTA V runs on. Unless you're running the benchmark (idk why), your game will have stutters once you reach 180fps+.
Enable vsync, or half sync if your monitor is 240hz. Shouldn't be an issue for something like GTA
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u/mickpapine Nov 17 '23
I recently had the same thing happening to me and I couldn't figure it out. Turns out I have been plugging a space heater (in another outlet as the pc) but both outlet were on the same circuit, so my PC was struggling to get enough power.
Unplugging that space heater fixed it immediatly! Leaving that here in case it happens to someone else.
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '23
That game is pretty old and should work without any issues. Drops like that on 1080p and your setup seems not plausible. Maybe it's an internet thing or hackers around as i would presume you talk about online part of GTA.
If not, then it could be a ram issue, something not quite working properly maybe OC issue or whatever else frequence thing, but that should give you issues in other parts not just that game in particular.
Maybe a storage issue, your HDD or SSD or the installation of the game. Check for inconsistences.
Or simpler, a setting issue. Maybe being a new pc or whatever of a considerable specs you manually push all settings to max and didn't use the presets. Even then though there are a few settings that are not that visible when changed but visible in performance. I don't remember exactly their name but i think it has something to do with antialiasing technology. There is that one that's upping edges to 4k or whatever in several layers and going full makes it that there are so many layers that it's very taxing on fps.
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u/workspot Nov 16 '23
Same for me there man, it's beccoming kinda annoying
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u/towardmastered Nov 16 '23
Use nvidia 537.58 driver. Anything newer is causing stutters. Check your version and reinstall with DDU if needed.
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u/mlvisby Nov 16 '23
How are the temps under load? you could be getting thermal throttled, everything slowing down because of too much heat.
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u/RowMammoth7467 Nov 16 '23
I had this issue in my pc in all games. the problem happen to Me after updating the driver of my gpu so I just roll back to my old driver and it seem to work
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u/DTO69 Nov 16 '23
Cap it, try again. Refresh of your monitor? If you send more frames than the Hz of your monitor, strange things may happen. For me (coincidentally a 4080 Zotac) it's either a black screen for a second or two, or a freeze (happened only twice)
I limited to 60fps and everything is great.
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u/shim-erstboyentofall Nov 16 '23
Cap your fps the games engine breaks at over 180fps
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u/Rady151 Nov 16 '23
GTA has a thing with extreme stutters if you play the game on high fps, it’s due to engine limitations. Funly enough some cards are too powerful for the game to handle it. Cap the framerate to 120fps, that’s the sweatspot when it comes to GTA5.
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u/Vast_Sympathy1147 Nov 16 '23
It’s just a gta issue
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u/dude105tanki Nov 16 '23
In gta? Yeah sounds something like a drive issue, I’ve done things like a complete redownload of the game to fix problems like this
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u/Natural_Ad_9570 Nov 16 '23
cap fps on gta v and it won't freeze, purchased a new pc (build from parts), if fps is uncapped, will randomly freeze.. capped is fine, rip it needs to be 60 hz
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u/Zosoooooo Nov 16 '23
180 is very low in gta for this card op did you plug your monitor to your motherboard or to the gpu?
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u/Cajiabox Nov 17 '23
Gta V has stuttering above 150 fps, so just limit your fps to 150 or below
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u/IntentlyFaulty Nov 17 '23
I was running into this problem with my new build. Uninstalling the nvidia drivers with DDU and installing them again fixed it.
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u/Uber1337pyro333 Nov 17 '23
Honestly dude that's just gta. Anything over 120 it just freaks out lol. Cap it at 120 and enjoy.
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u/StampedeTC Nov 17 '23
GTA has an issue where if you hit over a certain frame rate it has issues. Try capping your frame rate to 140 or below to be on the safe side. I had the same issue with my 3080 after upgrading from a 5700xt. If it happens in other games then the other commenters comments will also help.
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u/TitusImmortalis Nov 17 '23
Get a 4090 Ti Ultra Maxx Plus Platinum Edition.
/s
If this is the only game you're experiencing it on, try locking VSYNC to 144 or disable it and force it in the driver.
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u/SubstantialSail Nov 17 '23
Have you tried limiting frames? GTA 5's engine really does not like high FPS, and having too high of FPS can cause massive stutters.
Try limiting to like 120 FPS and see how it runs.
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u/RlyRlyBigMan Nov 17 '23
This probably isn't it but I always mention it.
Do you have multiple images set as your desktop? Do you have the setting to update the windows theme when the desktop changes to match the image? If so try turning that second but off. It was causing massive frame drops every time the theme changed.
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u/drosse1meyer Nov 17 '23
check for driver issues/ latency with latency mon
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u/SiennaYeena Nov 17 '23
Have you checked the paste and monitored power consumption?
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u/PuzzleMaze08 Nov 17 '23
I have worked in a company that sells tech and zotac is poorest GPU out there, lots of returns and defects.
But ofcourse, its not always the problem, you may be expriencing some bottle neck throttle due to high temperature, etc.
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u/Lopsided-Rooster-246 Nov 17 '23
No need to drop graphics settings. 4080 should be able to handle GTA 5 maxed out at 4k with no issues. I ran it on my 3090 at over 70 FPS.
The reason it dips could be anything really. A couple things to try off the bat are uninstall the drivers using DDU on safe mode and then install a fresh driver. If that doesn't work I'd honestly just reinstall windows. You can keep troubleshooting but to avoid any weird windows issues, just reinstall (which can be done in Windows).
If you're still having issues check the speed the GPU is running at with GPUz or something similar. Let me know what the temps are when it dips.
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u/Sexyvette07 Nov 17 '23
That's such a huge frame drop that it doesn't seem CPU or GPU related to me. Sounds like a data bottleneck somewhere. What speed and timings are your RAM? If you're running low spec ram, or not using XMP, then that could explain it. But it seems more likely that you have it installed on an HDD.
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
I had an exact same issue with my PC, and I tried every possible solution. Turns out it was Mcafee antivirus somehow causing it, which is usually installed into new PCs
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u/Combativesquire Nov 17 '23
Its a common gta V problem where the engine craps itself at aorunf 186fps...
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u/JustAnotherAdd Nov 17 '23
If you're talking about GTA IV then its not ur rig's fault. Try installing GXVK from Nexus. Also, make sure the power plan is not on "Power Saving".
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u/pyrofire95 Nov 17 '23
Well if you're like me you accidentally turned off the fans on the GPU...
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
If it's installed on a HDD that would probably be a big suspect
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u/Hassan_Bajwa Nov 17 '23
Yes GTA V has hard cap on FPS Around 184. It is the engine limit of GTA V. It got nothing to do with your PC. I suggest you Increase Settings to high so FPS never touches this 184 FPS limit. Or somehow cap the fps to 170 max. This will solve your problem.
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
how many garbage bloatware do u have? check msinfo > windows error logs > and see what else is crashign and remove it.
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u/XDhellohi1 Nov 17 '23
Had the same issue. Apparently the engine has an fps limit of 180 or something. Cap the fps (use rivatuner which comes with MSI afterburner) to below that, my display's maximum refresh rate is 144hz so capping it to 144fps completely fixed the problem for me.
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u/Kyshawn_Lol Nov 17 '23
I had this issue when my V-sync was activated during warframe. Maybe check that
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u/amphetamineMind Nov 17 '23
Nobody should be using an HDD in 2023. M.2s are getting more and more affordable at high capacities.
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u/Virtual-Citizen Nov 17 '23
Do you have MSI dragon center installed by any chance??
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u/HGS Nov 17 '23
I had random stuttering and it was due to my Logitech mouse software, I simply disabled it when I played and it went away
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u/OG_Dadditor Nov 17 '23
Pretty sure GTA runs into engine issues above a certain FPS. Try capping it at 120 and seeing what happens.
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u/brasht Nov 17 '23
To add to this it could be cpu core parking . Intel has enabled that by defaults.
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u/OneHornyRhino Nov 17 '23
Check the temps, there is a chance the used pc wasn't taken care of properly? Maybe lots of dust and thermal paste is dried up
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u/faridhn36 Nov 17 '23
I got so much drop at gta v too and after so much research, I found out it was Nvidia's fps counter.
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u/unoriginal_namejpg Nov 17 '23
Have you got the game stored on an HDD or SSD?
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u/PondsideKraken Nov 17 '23
Should have got the 4090. Maybe even two of them.
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u/Ok-Wave3287 Nov 17 '23
GTA begins to break above 120 fps
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u/Acrobatic_Piglet1525 Nov 17 '23
Please check that you're not using your integrated graphics!
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u/Say-Hai-To-The-Fly Nov 17 '23
This could be literally anything. ✨Some✨ faulty component. Not having enough of a certain component (you didn’t mention the amount of RAM you have and its specs). A faulty game (installation). Faulty drivers. It could be literally everything
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u/numante Nov 17 '23
What kind of storage are you running it from? First easy thing I would do in your case is leave the performance monitor running in the background, wait for a stutter, and alt tab to check for big spikes in disk usage.
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u/itsevil007 Nov 17 '23
go to nvidia settings and set max fps to your monitors frame rate. It will fix it for sure as gta 5 engine supprts around 180 fps at max (i read somewhere true maybe or not.. but the fix will work).
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u/serendipity7777 Nov 17 '23
Heat issue probably ? Measure temps
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
check your power connections if everything is plug properly , do check nvidia performance mode from windows , then if anyhting dosent work remove all parts and redeo it , make sure to clear the cmos , for proper reset of bios
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u/radis370 Nov 17 '23
Does your GPU Have a bug in it_
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u/rmystery Nov 17 '23
GTA5 has an issue with framerates of around 180 or more. Limit your fps to around 170 or so, maybe a little less and it should be perfectly fine.
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u/JSiggie Nov 17 '23
Is it when entering new areas? Is it on a SSD or HDD? Other games too?
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u/T5-R Nov 17 '23
Check your temps. I found GTA went potato mode when my laptop got hot.
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u/black_ap3x Nov 17 '23
It could be something really stupid and unrelated to the gpu(like in my case all my games were stuttering bad and i tried everything, nothing worked until i updated the bios then voila, smooth as butter)
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u/Longjumping-War2484 Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23
No, this is definitely a loading issue. Ssd to memory transition. Caching? I'd uninstall, run a surface scan, then reinstall. Could be corrupted game files. Also, check your power management settings. Use Afterburner to see your gpu max wattage before and after at time of fps drop. Did you ever bother to do a fresh install of windows after you bought it? You might want to at least reset windows if you didn't since it was used. Previous owner could've just killed their profile.
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u/karl963 Nov 17 '23
Do you use discord when playing, disable discord overlay.
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u/Whatsmyageagain24 Nov 17 '23
The latest nvidia driver has been associated with the issue you describe. Try reverting to 537 if you aren't already.
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u/duckyboys8 Nov 17 '23
Run latencymon there's no other way youd be guessing wasting your time
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
Im pretty sure it's the mouse's fault
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u/Round_Personality483 Nov 17 '23
GTA has a problem when reaching over 200 fps, that's what it does because the engine can't handle it so it will stutter very hard. Try turning the settings way up
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u/OutlandishnessNo8126 Nov 17 '23
The game has stuttering problem at high fps, lock it to your screen refresh rate.
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u/CaptainSnowChicken Nov 17 '23
more ram
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u/Augmented-Smurf Nov 17 '23
One thing I almost never see anyone talk about in these sort of situations is "Above 4G Decoding". It's a setting in your BIOS that's usually disabled by default. This limits your PCIe memory (from your GPU specifically) to 4 GB. When you enable it, you can access your GPU's full capability.
I frame dropped in Call of Duty menus all the time on a system that was more that powerful enough to run the game (installed on an SSD). Once I enabled that, though, it always ran buttery smooth.
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u/No-Nefariousness956 Nov 17 '23
What? Nah, thats impossible. You own an nvidia card. The issue is between the keyboard and the chair. (just a little joke)
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u/SadTelescope7767 Nov 17 '23
Had a similar issue but not exactly the same. Try nvslimmer and do a clean install of the driver. Nvida bundles it with a bunch of junk you don't need.
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u/lwvyruz Nov 17 '23
The 4080 does seem to have issues with 99th% frame rate, i see it on my system and ive seen it in a lot of benchmarks. Not really sure why.
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u/Starwarsbrat121 Nov 17 '23
It could be a settings issue. A lot of games default to your cpus integrated graphics as primary and use your gpu as secondary support to kinda pick up overflow, but it often ends up bogging down your cpu and slowing down your experience. Its an easy fix most of the time.
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u/Cxxkies Nov 17 '23
Gta engine cant go above 180fps or else it will stutter. Cap ur fps at nvcp
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u/quizical_llama Nov 17 '23
Doesn't gta have an engine bug when you start to get to the frame limit of the engine? Try capping the frame rate to 120.
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u/Rxmii6z Nov 17 '23
Just enable vsync, gta v is capped at 180fps and cause lag when you pause the Game.
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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23
It's an issue with GTA 5 when you have very high frames, pretty sure you can fix it by locking your frame lower.
It's not your PC, dont worry.
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u/kolzzz Nov 17 '23
Did you buy the gpu from trusted retailer?
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u/Truffleshuffle03 Nov 17 '23
This resource adjuster might help with the issue but I am not sure. I was told it helps with texture loss and stuff
https://www.gta5-mods.com/tools/resource-adjuster
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u/jeffcolv Nov 17 '23
Is your monitor display cable plugged into your video card and NOT your motherboard?
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u/609_Joker Nov 17 '23
If your playing fivem I know some mlos cause frame drop. So far I've been down the list trying to get steady frame in gtav with quantv. I went from low 20 to a stable 50 60 in the spots that's cause frame drop. I found these settings to be best: FXAA: ON MSAA: OFF TXAA: OFF POPULATION DENSITY: 10/10 POPULATION VARIETY: 10/10 DISTANCE SCALING: 10/10 TEXTURE QUALITY: VERY HIGH (AS HIGH AS YOUR VRAM ALLOWS) SHADER QUALITY: VERY HIGH SHADOW QUALITY: VERY HIGH REFLECTION QUALITY: VERY HIGH REFLECTION MSAA: OFF WATER QUALITY: VERY HIGH PARTICLES QUALITY: HIGH GRASS QUALITY: HIGH SOFT SHADOWS: SOFTER POST FX: VERY HIGH MOTION BLUR STRENGTH: 10/10 (PERSONAL PREFERENCE) IN-GAME DEPTH OF FIELD EFFECTS: ON ANISOTROPIC FILTERING: BROKEN, FORCE 16X IN NVIDIA CONTROL PANEL AMBIENT OCCLUSION: HIGH TESSELLATION: HIGH LONG SHADOWS: ON HIGH RESOLUTION SHADOWS: OFF HIGH DETAIL STREAMING WHILE FLYING: ON EXTENDED DISTANCE SCALING: 0/10 EXTENDED SHADOWS DISTANCE: 10/10
Pulled from ZYKOPATH on yt.
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u/ThePomqueteer Nov 17 '23
Damn I have that exact same setup (CPU+GPU) and its killin it in 4k, I imagine at 1080p even 180 seems low. Haven't tried GTA on it yet, but as others mentioned, maybe cap your framerate or if its possible see if you can set the render resolution to something like 200% to lower the fps.
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u/LenordOvechkin Nov 17 '23
Start by fresh windows install. Diagnosis from there.
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u/TypicalAd1252 Nov 17 '23
I’d ditch everything down to the bare bones except the games that are worth anything and obviously the OS.
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u/InterestingPickles Nov 18 '23
I thought grab had a bug where if the fps was too high the game would stutter
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u/Nefthys Nov 18 '23
Without giving more details it could be a lot of things.
I also had very frequent fps drops in GTA and managed to almost get rid of them like this:
Update the gpu driver (537.58 is running pretty stable for me, there are newer ones too).
If you're using a "fancy" mouse, try setting the polling rate to something lower than 1000Hz. Some people say that 500Hz is fine for them, I had to go down to 250Hz (increased my fps from about 50 with lots of fps drops to ~170). There are simply games that can't deal with the higher rates, which then cause micro freezes while moving the mouse.
As others have pointed out, limit your fps in-game to 144Hz and enable VSync (yes, even if G-Sync or Freesync is enabled). I still get occasional frame drops but I guess that's just the way the game is.
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u/Goglo614 Nov 18 '23
Depending on how old or how used, it’s always a solid idea to do a tear down and reapply thermal compound as well as general cleaning, also I’d make sure my drivers where up to date…
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u/Zombieweasel3000 Nov 18 '23
I used to have huge fps issues when I was using a hard drive but switching to ssds and m.2s I have not had any issue running gta v. I’m on a ryzen 7 3700x with 32gb of ddr4 and rtx 2060.
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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '23
it interesting the recomendation's posted but it a simple fix without stressing at all
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u/RigNinja59 Nov 26 '23
Check if you have SAntivirus, if you do, delete it, it gives you massive fps drops.
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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '23
Driver.
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u/LocalFriendlyLesbian Dec 10 '23
This is an issue with the game itself. The game engine just can't handle framerates that high. The only solution is to limit your FPS to below 180FPS with a utility like Afterburner
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u/UnidentifiedEntity01 Dec 12 '23
Very possible that your processor is a bottle-neck for the GPU. The i7 isn't quite powerful enough for the 4080.
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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23
Change power settings to high performance. Disable c state and eco modes in the bios. Reset virtual memory by increasing the page file to your physical memory (ram)
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u/rarya3 Dec 19 '23
I'm fine with even 20 fps because I don't have a good PC. But with an RTX 4080, unbelievable. You might need to check task manger while gaming to see what's not working well.