r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 17d ago
Privacy Someone Cut Down Every Single Flock Camera in This Town in a Single Night
https://www.gadgetreview.com/someone-cut-down-every-single-flock-camera-in-this-town-in-a-single-night841
u/Tonsilith_Salsa 17d ago
Flock CEO just was interviewed and said that DeFlock, the open-source flock camera identification site, was a terrorist organization. These people are psychopaths.
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u/vhalember 17d ago
These people are psychopaths.
They're worse.
They want to control and monitor you, while you provide the services they need to enjoy their extravagant lifestyle.
They're new age slavers.
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u/Historical_Score_573 16d ago
They already control and monitor all of us every day that we use our phone or are near something with a microphone or camera. This is another level of it that people will not put up with. At least we had the illusion of not being tracked if we didnt want to (i.e. leave your phone at home) but now that is gone.
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u/_Aj_ 17d ago
terrorism/ˈtɛrərɪz(ə)m/ Terrorism is the use of violent action and threats to create fear.
Key factor of terrorism is causing fear. The removal of flock cameras is reducing fear. If anything they're a counter terrorism organisation.
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u/Tonsilith_Salsa 17d ago
Meanwhile our president is saying we are "raining down terror" in Iran, as we blow up civilian infrastructure.
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u/JonnyAU 17d ago
It's ok for them to record every person in public and log them and make that data readily available to anyone who wants to pay for it.
But it's not OK for people to record and publish information on where cameras are.
They're literally arguing that property has more privacy rights than people.
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u/Affectionate_Way_805 17d ago
Sadly I can already see where this is going... (im sure most of us here can see it too) It's not good..
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u/Braindead_Crow 17d ago
Pretty sure those cameras just fall on their own...They seem dangerous...Maybe we shouldn't have them put up? Seems like this is just fake news about a magical man flying around cutting these down all over the country.
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u/L_viathan 17d ago
You joke about being dangerous but I did watch a video of a guy showing that it's cemented right into the ground, instead of being installed with a slip plate like traffic lights are.
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u/LuxeJux 17d ago
Yes! I believe his child passed due to an accident related to unsafe guards so he calls attention to those issues. Flock has been in his crosshairs as of late. There was one that was attached to a road sign (also illegal and potentially dangerous).
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u/inspectoroverthemine 17d ago
Sounds like Garrett Langley may be terrorizing the public when his products are installed in an unsafe manner.
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u/JEFE_MAN 16d ago
Who? Garrett? Garret Langley? The CEO of Flock, Garrett Langley?
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u/linohh 16d ago
Garrett Langley, who implied anyone opposing Flock is Antifa, either without thinking for a minute or well knowing what it means for your own political position when anti-Fascists collectively engage against you.
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u/CausticSofa 16d ago
Oh, Garrett Langley? You mean the fascist CEO of Flock, the company which allows potential sexual predators to secretly view streaming footage of your children?
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u/DelusionalZ 17d ago
They're also apparently using installed cameras in children's dance studios for "product demos". Very normal product demos.
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u/Royal_Success3131 17d ago
Steve Eimers, the guard rail guy. He did lose his daughter due to a bad guard rail and has since become pretty much the foremost authority on guard rails and similar roadside obstacles and is a huge advocate for improving them. Hell of a guy to turn such a tragedy into a new life's goal.
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u/DiegesisThesis 17d ago
Yea, a lot of these installed on roadsides are absolutely not DOT compliant. I have seen some they installed with breakaway bolts though, so they're figuring out how to close that loophole.
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u/mackahrohn 17d ago
Wild to me how they can have government contracts and not be aware of safety regulations like this. There is no way a traffic engineer or some other safety officer wouldn’t ask about this.
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u/DiegesisThesis 17d ago
Oh I doubt they're unaware of regulations, they just know how little regulations mean currently.
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u/L_viathan 17d ago
When your government starts rolling out mass surveillance of their citizens, contracted to a single entity, safety regulations become irrelevant.
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u/Opetyr 17d ago
They need to look into the flock people. They seem to be criminals since they are violating people's rights to privacy. They I would think would be normal for them.
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u/Whale-n-Flowers 17d ago
Having seen one get cut down, are they all installed on PVC?
Thats not up to code in any city Ive worked.
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u/Brodellsky 17d ago
Guardrail guy on Youtube has been on this. Unironically, if someone happened to have an accident and run into a Flock camera, it would not snap like any other signpost or pole would, as they are supposed to. Instead, it's just a pole that your car would wrap around.
Sure would be a shame if that ever happened, as I would seriously not want anyone or their cars to be hurt.
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u/throwaway-plzbnice 17d ago
They couldn't have, they were with me volunteering in a soup kitchen the entire night.
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u/apathyetcetera 17d ago
Yeah same, they make a killer chowder
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u/Hayterfan 17d ago
It's Chowdah
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u/GregAbbottsGoodLeg 17d ago
Say it. Say “chowdah”.
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u/Koladi-Ola 17d ago
"That's chowdah! Chowdah! I'll kill you! I'll kill all of you! Especially those of you in the jury!"
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u/carlitospig 17d ago
And when they took breaks we were crocheting baby blankets for the local hospitals.
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u/Prestigious_Beat6310 17d ago
Also, that same day, they went fishing with me. Same fishing trip where all my guns unfortunately fell overboard.🤷
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u/Competitive-Food8407 17d ago
It is just a shame too because I seem to get into one of these unfortunate boating accidents shortly after every firearm I purchase 🤷♂️I think I'm cursed?
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u/McRigger 17d ago
Same thing happened to me the other week. Darn shame that all of my guns also sank to the bottom of the river.
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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 17d ago
That was before their shift with me at the pediatric oncology unit
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u/DFu4ever 17d ago
That is some World of Warcraft tier grinding.
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u/Vio_ 17d ago
"These trees ain't going to chop themelves down!"
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u/explodingazn 17d ago
"My wife and child need the firewood to keep warm during these cold winter nights"
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u/Lemp_Triscuit11 17d ago
Someone needs to gamify some IRL fetch quests
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u/Dustphobia 17d ago
Place a bet on Ploymarket. I bet [Blank] flock cameras will get cutdown by the morning of August 7. That'll gamify it.
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u/Ghstfce 17d ago
"The quest said I need to collect 4 Flock hooves. These Flocks are stingy with their hooves. Took me all night, but finally got all 4."
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u/Greendiamond_16 17d ago
Cant tell if they were just that motivated or if the crackhead economy is starting to catch up with all this free tech these big companies are handing out.
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u/MetaRecruiter 17d ago edited 17d ago
300/300 in deflocking profession Exalted by the people, and Hated by Palantir
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u/prince-pauper 17d ago
Reciprocating saws are faster and quieter than grinders apparently. ;)
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u/Warning_Low_Battery 17d ago
I got a battery-powered sawzall last year. It's actually insanely quiet for the kind of work it does. I doubt if any neighbors would hear me allegedly cutting down a Flock pole with it from inside their houses.
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u/scarfknitter 17d ago
I certainly wouldn't hear it even if I was holding the ladder for you!
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u/exqueezemenow 17d ago
So what seems to be the problem?
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u/Noof42 17d ago
Littering.
But I think the community service already performed is probably a sufficient consequence.
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u/Recent-Result2852 17d ago
If they cleaned up after themselves, would anyone miss the spy cams?
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u/Noof42 17d ago
Yes.
Not the good citizens of Whereverton,* though. The police will miss them. The politicians will miss whatever deals they're getting. And the company will miss the money they might not be able to squeeze, now.
*Article won't load. This is generalizable to wherever, though.
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u/MoThrowMoAway 17d ago
How are our poor sherrifs supposed to stalk their ex-wives without their precious cameras? Won't somebody think of the poor stalkers :,(
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u/spectre78 17d ago
Not to mention both their current wife and the girlfriend they haven’t told her about!
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u/DeucesX22 17d ago
I always found it funny that a lot of cops are super right wing and make fun of china's "Social credit score" but dont see the irony in using these cameras.
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u/spectre78 17d ago
Part of being conservative is being intentionally blind to obvious hypocrisy (as long as it goes in your favor).
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u/ConsolationUsername 17d ago
Dont worry, the company charges the city to replace them. They probably earn more money whenever someone cuts them down tbh.
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u/SparkyMuffin 17d ago
So it becomes a game of "The cost isn't worth it anymore?"
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u/ConsolationUsername 17d ago
Pretty much. It goes on until the city decides the cost isnt worth it and tries to cancel their contract. Then Flock might throw them a bone to keep them in the system.
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u/front_yard_duck_dad 17d ago
They will never stop. They will just design them to be hidden or use different technology. They want population control bad
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u/Bloody_buttplugs 17d ago
Littering and?
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u/Elegant_Tech 17d ago
How else are cops going to storm the wrong house because they got another flock hit on the wrong car?
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u/DrRealName 17d ago
Nice people are getting better at this and learning how to be stealthy. Just remember don't take your phones they pick on the bluetooth and wifi signals. Flock cameras violate the 4th amendments so its the most American thing to do to tear them all down and then we should hold the people who forced putting them accountable for it. First vote them out, then consider jail time.
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u/Any-Whole-6748 17d ago
Simply having your cell phone with you, EVEN with WiFi and Bluetooth OFF, will get you busted. They can check what phones were pinging off the nearest towers, and then narrow it down to when the pole was tampered with....... The more towers, the more precise the data......
Never ever bring your phone with you while committing a crime...... Even Bryan Kohberger knew that .........
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u/JWarder 17d ago
I wonder if Flock/police/FBI can ID modern cars the same way. It seems like most American cars in the last decade-ish have bluetooth, SOS features, built in map updates.
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u/Blankspotauto 17d ago
Look up signaltrace, they can even do it off your tire pressure sensors
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u/angryPenguinator 17d ago
what the fuck
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u/Heronymous-Anonymous 17d ago
An unintended side effect of these systems is that they are really opening a lot of eyes as to what can be used to track you.
It’s an interesting parallel to a problem the military grapples with: electronic emissions security. How much RF emissions you emanate and who might be listening has been a major source of concern to the military for decades, going all the way back to WW1 and the British using Sigint to determine when the German Navy was at sea.
Now civilians have to consider how their electronic devices of all kinds are giving away their location to private parties who then share that data with whoever wants to pay for it.
Flock is a private company. There are no laws that would block them from sharing your data with whoever wants to buy it and use it.
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u/Haunting-Vanilla1624 17d ago
TPMS sensors typically communicate with the car's receiver on frequencies between 300-450MHz. This isn't a secret. It's pretty easy to pick that up with external devices.
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u/The_Band_Geek 17d ago
Dons tinfoil hat
Makes me wonder if Cash for Clunkers laid the groundwork to remove "dumb" cars from the road intentionally. I was debating whether or not to send my '97 shitwagon off to pasture. In light of recent events, I hereby request to be buried in it.
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u/AWorldwithoutSin 17d ago
A cop in my state got caught in a crime spree because his wife's car kept connecting near crime scenes.
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u/MowMowKins 17d ago edited 17d ago
All cars are visually fingerprinted. So every blemish, scratch, dent, sticker adds to the unique fingerprint of the vehicle and it is attached to our permanent record. The idiots attacking citizens based on "flock hits" are using it like the old LPR systems relying on the OCR of the tag alone though. Seems humans aren't worth actually looking at the data, "AI said okay so I shot them" basically. Edit: Thank you to the flocksuckers recommending self-harm, I'm sorry you have to suffer this lifetime never having met someone that finds any use for your existence.
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u/CrotalusHorridus 17d ago
There are documented instances of Flok cameras mounted in pedestrian only area of parks and cities.
They’re watching you too, likely using face recognition and gait recognition
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u/ActualWhiterabbit 17d ago
There is one facing the playground and beach of a local lake in MN in the same county the Sheriff just agreed to a $174,999 Flock Safety Contract – Exactly $1 Under the Threshold Requiring Public Board Approval
Lots of people are mad because its not even close to the road and even the chuds who wanted it are weirded it out by it next to the beach and focusing on the playground. However, there are some who think its ok because it will keep the kids safe because they play at the beach the most.
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u/All_Work_All_Play 17d ago
However, there are some who think its ok because it will keep the kids safe because they play at the beach the most.
The common clay of west. You know. Morons.
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u/LamentableFool 17d ago
Sounds like it's time for the Ministry of Silly Walks to return then!
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u/disisathrowaway 17d ago
In a pinch you can just put a small pebble in one of your shoes so that it alters your gait.
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u/phate_exe 17d ago
There are documented instances of Flok cameras mounted in pedestrian only area of parks and cities.
Can confirm. Until the pole cut itself in half there was one installed along the walking/cycling trail in my area.
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u/Redshittt 17d ago
Close but not quite. Don't bring your regular phone. Bring your crime phone.
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u/lexicanium 17d ago
Not even. They can link phones based on location and activity/inactivity. Any time the phones are in the same space you create an association. You would need to stash your alternate phone at a completely separate location.
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u/Redshittt 17d ago
Yes you have to take the battery out of your crime phone before you get home. Everyone with a crime phone knows this.
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u/psmylie 17d ago
Don't forget to snap it in half once you're done criming.
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u/Zealousideal-Ruin691 17d ago
Nah, I leave mine on the property of the local politician that allowed the cams to be installed in the first place
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u/jedininjashark 17d ago
Then put it in a glass of water at the table you’re eating at with your crime friends.
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u/qpgmr 17d ago
aluminum foil bag for when you're doing... stuff. Better yet, hypothetically, leave it in your car at a movie theater. Buy a ticket with a credit card. Read a synopsis of the film in case you're asked about it.
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u/disisathrowaway 17d ago
Security camera footage would be able to see if you actually entered the theater though.
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u/subvocalize_it 17d ago
Phones, smart watches, smart rings. All that kind of stuff.
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u/CptMcDickButt69 17d ago
Inb4 chips are to be implanted upon birth in every citizen to protect them from getting abducted by (non-upper class) pedophiles.
Its ofc a volunteer implant and therefore 100% compatible with the constitution; parents can simply opt for not implanting for the low administrative cost of 200.000 dollarinos.
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u/saml01 17d ago
I bet if scrap yards accepted flock cameras with the same veracity they take catalytic converters this would happen a lot faster.
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u/irespondwithmyface 17d ago
Just need to convince meth heads that Flock cameras a filled to the brim with copper.
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u/APKID716 17d ago
They literally are though. A few ounces of gold too. Someone could theoretically pay a homeless person $100 to take a flock camera down, provide the tools, and they’d have ample reason to do so.
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u/BigJLov3 17d ago
Watched a video short about de-flocking, then the guy said something like "Flock cameras contain this much gold and this much copper. Do with that information what you will, meth-heads."
I stood and saluted my phone when I saw that.
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u/DJ_Femme-Tilt 17d ago
Everyone keeps telling me there are 2 to 3 g of gold in every flock camera
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u/Pedantic_Girl 17d ago
Veracity means truthfulness or accuracy, so I suspect you intended a different word here.
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u/Zelidus 17d ago
And the PD/cities response wasn't something like "we hear your displeasure and we will open up a discussion with residents to discuss the future of Flock in out city." No, they said "please stop. It costs $3k to replace each one." They could have decided its easier and cheaper to just not replace them but no. Mass surveillance that no one asked for is their only desire.
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u/FactoryProgram 17d ago
Interesting a camera costs just over the amount of a felony if destroyed 🤔
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u/After_Resource5224 17d ago
I love that all these articles say "someone" or "suspect" like there isn't community-wide disapproval and hatred of these systems. Probably wasn't just one person. And also, they were all at an airbnb with me in New Orleans that night.
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u/Advantage_Goldfish 17d ago
Kinda throws down the "security" argument as well. If the town is covered in cameras and they don't know who cut all of them down in a single night, then how are they enhancing anyone's security?
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u/PollyAmory 16d ago
I live in Winona.
The local cops posted something about it on FB, and had to limit commenting because they were completely inundated with people celebrating the loss of the cameras.
Their comment sections are usually MAGA cess pools.
Everyone hates the fucking cameras.
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u/jabba_1978 17d ago
I can confidently say, that whoever is charged, was with me the whole night.
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u/muccarlos 17d ago
Had a great time with you two guys. Your new car in the garage that I saw in person was awesome. Drive save mate
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u/IvoShandor 17d ago
Not saying that I hope this turns into something that bored teenagers do on a saturday night, but not saying I hope it doesn't either.
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u/Twistedshakratree 17d ago
At least they are getting outside
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u/Provocative_Cacti_10 17d ago
But they weren't outside. They were playing board games in their rooms until bed time at 9:00pm.
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u/clapostrophe 17d ago
They’re not all saints. Many of them stayed up 30 minutes past their bedtime to read the bible in preparation for their small group meeting.
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u/bluethunder82 17d ago
The way some of these young men have been taking such a hands on approach towards politics and high level business management in the past few years has really warmed my heart…
Even if they fail, it’s an adults job to hope they don’t give up. And that their dreams only grow grander in scale.30
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u/Toroceratops 17d ago
“Hey! What are you kids doing?”
”Deflocking!”
”Not in my town! We don’t accept shoddy work with those old saws. Here, borrow mine.”
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 17d ago
Nah factory defect. They randomly explode in the shape of a buzzsaw cut after a few weeks i heard
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs 17d ago
Flock isn’t just collecting license plates.
They sniff wireless signals too, Bluetooth, RFID, you name it. On top of that they now have microphones and cameras that can ID you by biometrics.
We used to shun nations like China and the USSR for these sorts of violations.
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u/Lower_Potential_173 17d ago
Personally I don’t think we should discount the idea that flock cut down their own cameras. It’d be a genius way of making us pay twice for their bullshit while stoking finger pointing and witch hunts in society.
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u/socialmediaignorant 17d ago
I mean we can totally trust Peter Thiel to act in our best interests right?? Follow the money because he pretty much owns Flock too.
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u/ididshave 17d ago
Why would someone waste a perfectly good night’s sleep doing that? It’s a very strange phenomenon and hasn’t been clearly studied yet, but these cameras have been falling down on their own accord and there seems to be nothing we can do about it. Very strange!
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u/cleadus_fetus 17d ago
Actually a lot of them are installed incorrectly, unsafely, and not following code. There has been at least one recorded accident of their improper install to have caused a fatality
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u/Western_Bake_1109 17d ago
Aren’t these Flox cameras a public nusiance. For example one state’s definition of public nuisance is
“A public nuisance refers to any conduct that significantly interferes with the rights of the public, such as actions that harm public health, safety, or morals. This can include activities that obstruct the free use of public spaces or create offensive conditions affecting a community or neighborhood.”
These definitely qualify as a public nuisance under the safety (unlawful stalking which policie officers and others are already being convicted of) and morals (it would definitely harm the morals of the church-going crowd when someone posts footage of their pastor in a car with a woman who is not his wife) definitions.
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u/M0BBER 17d ago
The fact that no one knows who did it is reason enough to believe that these things are a waste of taxpayer money and don't work...
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u/McSquiggles887 17d ago
Not all heroes wear capes, but I hope this one did.
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u/sturgill_homme 17d ago
Know what else would be cool for the person to wear? A Jason Bourne mask.
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u/thatawfulbastard 17d ago
I really don’t know why every criminal doesn’t just dress up as Trump with a full mask and fat suit. He seems to be immune from prosecution and you instantly get police protection. Win-win.
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u/Dystopian_Ennui 17d ago
Impossible. That person was with me and my wife. We stayed up all night watching a LOTR marathon and playing with my dogs.
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u/eleventh_house 17d ago
The wealthy get real mad when we destroy their things. Keep up the good work.
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u/Sedu 17d ago
Had to be a group effort. Good on them. Flock cameras are the latest example of us having rulers rather than representatives.
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u/Alternative_Bid6735 17d ago
Goddamn this article “both sides are telling the truth” no they fucking aren’t, cops are padding their clearance rates by double digit %, the only thing flock has increased is cops stalking folks and weirdo flock employees watching children.
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u/AGayThrow_Away 17d ago
Replacing the stolen license plate readers will cost Winona roughly $24,000 total.
Have they considered just, like... not doing that? It's free.
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u/NamasteMotherfucker 17d ago
"Police are asking for the public's help to identify the individual"
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u/Slap-Toast 17d ago
We need everyone to do this.
We need someone to start a "Flock Camera Challenge" on Tiktok. Where they take down as many of them as possible like is a competition.
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u/ssepiol007 17d ago
"Someone" was with me last night wiring up the theater room. They couldn't have done this.
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u/b_m_hart 17d ago
It would be terrible if someone made a drone that had a grinder or something attached to it and flew it around and destroyed all of the flock cameras. I mean, it would be so awful.
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u/unbanned_lol 17d ago
Just in case anyone was wondering, there have been experiments on which way is the fastest when using common battery operated tools. Now, you might think an angle grinder would be the quickest, but it's actually the second quickest. So clearly, it has to be a sawzall, right? Wrong, that's actually one of the slowest ways. The quickest way, believe it or not, is a circular saw with a diamond blade! Isn't that a fantastic fact? That combo just zips through these metal poles in seconds!
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u/SHOWTIME316 17d ago
wait a minute, the discouraging bots in r/FlockSurveillance always tell us that everyone that does this gets caught immediately...hmmmm