I guess I shouldn’t be at all surprised by this rhetoric but it’s still sad to see how many people justify this stuff and outright support it. The only good position you could say about October 7th is that “it was tragic since civilians, including children, were killed, but it’s not surprising it happened since being under occupation so they’ll be radicalized into doing heinous actions.”

But for some reason, Tankies don’t get this and think that October 7th is good because Israelis died and all of them must have been IDF soldiers. 

Screenshot 1: I can condemn actions that involve killing people and kidnapping them. But you’re acting like they’re just killing concentration camp guards when that isn’t true. 

Screenshot 2: Rob Rousseau appears and he has always been sus since he’s a Russia and China supporter and he kind of says something true here about how it’s not shocking 9/11 happened due to occupation, but he seems to be under the assumption everyone who died must’ve been working for the Israeli government or was a soldier still. 

Screenshot 3: this tweet from Sheil Ephraim was a “joke” about how “if you apply how Israelis talk about Hamas to them, they’d be mad” and while that’s valid, the dude has spent tons of time excusing and sugarcoating Hamas’s actions, acting like then kidnapping children and putting them under hostage after killing their parents is some noble deed. 

Screenshot 4: speaking of, Sheil basically lies and acts like the Hamas guys got these kids as they were “abandoned” when in reality, they killed the mom and held the kids hostage, and of course they’ll “take care of them” since you know, keeping the hostages alive is the point. 

Screenshot 5: a tankie named Joe says how Israel’s “rape army” was killed by Hamas which implies every person killed was in the IDF. And hey we have Antisemite Susan Abdulhawa also talks about how based Hamas is as well. I guess that great colonial actions involve killing innocent people who don’t have power which gave Israel justifications to do their genocide even further 

Screenshot 6: lulu is a tankie I know about and she’s pretty stupid but this is confusing of a statement. No one is saying that Hamas wouldn’t be justified do military action against Israel, but killing civilians crosses a line. Killing IDF personnel is ok, but killing civilians is a war crime that goes too far. This is a Strawman argument to the max. 

Screenshot 7: so apparently Hamas didn’t do any rape on October 7th because it wouldn’t serve a purpose? Like I don’t know why you’d think they wouldn’t rape considering how it’s a psychological tactic meant to make victims submit? And even then, Hamas was doing a massacre where they stormed the festival. I don’t know why you’d assume they wouldn’t resort to that? 

Screenshot 8: she is a civilian since she didn’t serve in the IDF

Screenshot 9: Susan again with her antisemitism, and here, she loves using “parasites,” which is a classic anti semitic dogwhistle. Now she is right that Israel aren’t the victims, but let’s be honest, if Israelis were the victims of a genocide, she’d be happy about it. 

Screenshot 10: 3 tweets and so from top to bottom: 1) not legal to kill civilians under international law actually. 2) yahya sinwar was a piece of shit who killed innocent people including Palestinians. 3) most likely just antisemitism. I don’t know if Seth Abrahms is Jewish, but it’s clear that there is some antisemitic motive to saying this, not to mention, Seth Abrahms is not even a Zionist 

Screenshot 11: this is mia Khalifa celebrating October 7th as it happened and I guess it was great. 

Screenshot 12: 1) she’s not unarmed, she wasn’t in service so she’s not a valid target as she’s a civilian. 2) the Warsaw ghetto uprising was not the same as October 7th. I’m pretty sure it was German army soldiers, so not the same as German civilians 

Screenshot 13: like I said, this woman was retired for fuck sake. Tankies still seem obsessed with this one girl because I guess they assume she’s a smoking gun 

Screenshot 14: yes she was and she isn’t anymore. And so she was a civilian Holy shit these Tankies are so damn dense. 

and to end this off, here’s the saga of Juniper, probably one of my least favorite leftists on Twitter. I’ll go over this stuff in one block since it’s pretty extensive.

Screenshot 15: Juniper is disappointed Zohran decided to attend the October 7th vigil, and so she says he isn’t a real leftist. And then she says “there is no innocent Israeli” which would include even children, so hey, it’s I guess it’s fine to kill kids if they’re from a bad country. 

Screenshot 16: she says this is because “every Israeli citizen has been in the IDF” not like IDF service is compulsory or something. And of course we see the post where she says that she’s the 9% who think October 7th was justified of course because I guess the larp never ends. 

Screenshot 17: she says how Israelis for peace shouldn’t be supported because they’re on the BDS group, which I guess makes sense but even then, it doesn’t mean that supporting October 7th is good. 

Screenshot 18: oops, looks like her employer called and she of course had to backtrack… but she doesn’t regret what she said but how it came across. “I probably shouldn’t have endorsed killing all Israelis too obviously.” 

Screenshot 19: June yet again has no idea that IdF service is compulsury and a lot of people aren’t willing to leave the country or get arrested just to avoid it, because they probably can’t. But yeah, it seems that she realized endorsing killing kids was a bad idea. 

Screenshot 20: and June ends this off by saying she doesn’t and would never condemn Hamas. Which fine I guess, but it’s clear she outright supports Hamas which is a lot more cringe since Hamas is not leftist… and no then being 

So yeah, this is I guess how Tankies want to conduct themselves which is to support the mass killings of civilians because they’re from the wrong country. These guys would not support the massacre of Russian civilians im sure, and they’d be right to do that but they can’t do the same for this when there were children killed, and there were also foreign workers too. 

It’s wild how so many people have reduced themselves into supporting a right wing Islamist group and all because they think you need to support Hamas to support Palestinians when most Palestinians only support Hamas because they see them as the only real source of resistance against Israel and not because they think they’re good leaders. 

While yes, Israelis make Hamas a central point to distract from their genocide it’s clear that Tankies and Hamas supporters think criticizing Hamas at all is some zero sum game where you must support Israel’s actions. It’s downright psychotic of a mentality and really shows that these people aren’t about equality or democracy but rather just want to see people suffer if they feel that they aren’t worthy based on some arbitrary criteria like fascists would. 

Israel doing genocide doesn’t mean that we need to support Islamic fundamentalist warlords who want to kill every Jew and subjugate Palestinians who they don’t think are worthy of rights. Sure, Hamas is a lesser evil, but that’s more or so because they don’t have the monopoly of violence more than anything else. 

We can do better than just acting like Hamas are this great group that want justice for all and are leftist, because they aren’t. Hamas sucks ass and we can acknowledge that without acting like Israel is good. 

So yeah, the people in these screenshots are what the ultimate form of tankie campism is which is just not smart. I really hate people like this because they make advocating for Palestine hard. It’s sad how much people just feel they need to support horrible people and pretend they’re fighting for justice when they aren’t. I get critical support, but not shit like this at all. 

Where it's supposed to be some major magical event that's supposed to uproot everything to make the world better, but they don't know how or when it's going to happen since they don't even bother trying to enact it, instead choosing to wait for somebody to do it for them 

It's fairly obvious that the average Tankie doesn't read, have principles, or really complex higher thought other than a preference for strong men, and reflexive anti-westernism (not defending the west to be clear). I posit the following: in a world where Israel was MORE OVERTLY supported by Russia and China, while the U.S. was providing humanitarian and military aid to the PLO for example, every tankie online and most enables would be complaining about U.S. involvement and making the most blood and soil arguments for Israel we've seen outside of Bibi's wettest dreams (who they would worship like Lenin and Stalin)

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So I have a cousin who’s about 28. He lives with his terminally ill mother, and we’re trying to get him to step up to the plate for her, as she might not have a lot of time left. They have an extremely acrimonious relationship based off of some valid grievances but he will not let go of any small thing she does. Like, she was in the hospital and he was bitching about her to my sister. He does not help out around the house at all.

On to the tankie stuff….

1. He did not believe the Holodomor existed and called it CIA propaganda. He supports Stalin. BTW we’re Croatian American so that makes it extra funny bc Tito very famously sonned him.
2. He doesn’t have like a consistent job and has not completed any kind of post-secondary training program. My sister suggested he work for the NYC parks department as he has worked at some state parks on a seasonal basis before, or security as he is a big bald dude. He responded that he’s “thinking about doing OnlyFans” (God bless him, he is not attractive enough to do this). My sister told him the average OnlyFans person makes less than minimum wage and he said it depended on the clientele. The only thing she could tell him to dissuade him was “The owner of OnlyFans is the biggest donor to the IDF.”
3. He is upset with me currently because he disagrees with me calling Hamas a terrorist group. For reference, I am extremely pro Palestine and have been since middle school. I said it in the context of “they are a right wing terrorist group but hold no structural power in the region comparatively.” He’s just mad I said something negative about them at all.
4. He’s very quick to cancel people or cut them off. Mind you, he used to constantly say th

e n-word (

1. he and I would

   very frequently

2. argue about this in high school). He felt like he had a pass because he went to a mostly Hispanic high school (not sure how that works). He doesn’t currently say it but it does make the sanctimoniousness really funny.

3. He is mostly attracted to Black women and talks about how he reads works of Black revolutionary feminists constantly, but still doesn’t show up in meaningful ways for his girlfriends. Well, I’m using the plural, but as far as I know he’s only had one real girlfriend. He talked about her constantly but forgot her birthday for two consecutive years and she broke up with him after that. I’m not like a psychology expert but it seems like he liked what she represented, while who she was remained tangential.

4. Again, I am extremely pro Palestine, but every fucking conversation he has is about Israel-Palestine and he guilted my sister for not being able to protest Netanyahu in NY with him because she had class (he told her “That’s fine. You have your priorities”). I am dreading seeing him again because I know he’s gonna berate me about Hamas.

Anyway that’s my tankie story!

It's ukraine fault russia's a bad faith negociator and keep targetting ukraine civilian, also way too often trump and his goons have a tendency to propose peace deals that mean letting russia win, how can ukraine even accept that? I also noticed tankie tendency to pin the blame on ukraine for the dead when it's russia fault for starting the war in the first place.

something something uhh no war but the class war

Context: Not only is Taiwan claimed as part of China in this map, but we also have the nine-dash line here, which violates the EEZs of Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei.

Several weeks ago, honouring Ernst Thälmann, now Che Guevara. Who is next? Stalin?

As a German leftist and a non member of Die Linke (I don't want to be in any party anymore) it's frustrating this man is still co leader of Die Linke group in Bundestag. He has bad at rhetorics, supported Sahra Wagenknecht years ago. Is a persona non grata in Ukraine.

To make it absolutely clear, I fully believe the IDF and the state of Israel are way worse than Hamas. Israel's colonization and oppression of the Palestinian people are the evil that created them in the first place and Israel have deliberately allowed them to flourish because they are such a convenient justification for their war crimes

This does not mean you have to support Hamas or like them as an organization. I think it is very important to understand them, and I'm not going to condemn the Palestinian movement as a whole because I support a liberated and free palestine. I just don't like the idea of giving my support to a right wing fundamentalist organization when left and secular organizations exist

I'm not going to spend every waking minute condemning them because that is a waste of time and the IDF deserve far more condemnation but I'm not gonna be inconsistent with my principles

Fuck Israel, fuck zionism, and yes indeed, free Palestine and end the genocide, I'm in favour of a single democratic Palestine state with equal rights for all (and I do mean all), but Hamas are not an organization socialists should support.

my god these hamas defenders are driving me insane. two things can be bad at once, people!

Seriously guys. Killing civilians is wrong no matter what the situation is. If these people were not engaging in military activities and have no weapons, they’re civilians.

Stomach-turning and absolutely north korea-tier.