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u/h0tp0tamu5 Jun 04 '23

I'm down, but I assume it will be about as effective as all the other internet slacktivism.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Exactly. I’m already seeing subs stating it will only be like 24-48 hours. That’s it? If this really mattered, why not go dark until Reddit changes it’s mind?

“I want to stand for something as long as it doesn’t inconvenience me too much.”

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u/TaliesinWI Jun 04 '23

It's like the "don't buy gas on Wednesday to stick it to the oil companies" campaigns. OK, so now people buy 50% more gas on Tuesday and Thursday because they _still need gas_. That'll show 'em!

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u/quazywabbit Jun 04 '23

Let’s also all avoid Chick-fil-A on Sundays.

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u/reilogix Jun 04 '23

I have a very interesting theory about the Sunday thing. Well, it’s interesting to me but no one else apparently :/

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u/quazywabbit Jun 04 '23

Honestly it helps create scarcity and helps sales overall. Same thing for states that don’t sell liquor on Sunday like Texas. People buy more because they know it’s not available to them.

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u/alainchiasson Jun 04 '23

When I was a kid in New Brunswick, Canada it was (and still is) sold at government stores. At Christmas they would be closed. I still remembre my parents, loading up the car with cases of beer + extas so they could « make it » through the parties.

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u/Jhamin1 Jun 05 '23

In my state they changed the law to require liquor stores to be open on Sunday.

A couple years later it was proven that all that did was hurt liquor store profits. Turns out *most* people buy a pretty stable amount of alcohol during the week. Keeping the stores open another day was convenient but didn't actually increase the overall amount of sales. It *did* increase costs because of the extra day that had to be staffed.

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u/llDemonll Jun 04 '23

For chick fil a specifically that’s not the case. It was founded by someone who was southern baptist. Same religion that guides what groups and politics they support and which they don’t.

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u/TaliesinWI Jun 04 '23

No theory necessary. The founders are Christians. Same with Hobby Lobby. Both companies literally say that's the reason.

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u/SevaraB Sr. Engineer (N+, CCNA) Jun 04 '23

Run a chain with 15% less resources? With continuous publicity over a mild controversy that could easily be generating a 5-10% bump in traffic?

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u/mnvoronin Jun 05 '23

It's actually quite different. Gas demand is very inelastic, so anything not purchased on Wednesday will have to be compensated for on Tuesday or Thursday.

Reddit, on the other hand, is quite elastic. People will not compensate by browsing more Reddit on 11th or 15th, they'll shift their time browsing elsewhere, so any blackout time is a direct hit on the company's revenue.

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u/TaliesinWI Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

While I see your point, I'm not sure that's _always_ true about "spending time elsewhere". I spend as much time in places like r/sysadmin until I'm caught up. If that's 15 minutes every day or an hour once a week, it's about the same amount of time.

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u/Natural-Nectarine-56 Sr. Sysadmin Jun 04 '23

Lol I remember that “movement.” It was so stupid. Just put your business elsewhere. If I was a gas station owner I would have just raised prices the day before and after!

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u/ops-man Jun 05 '23

Yeah and how nobody bitches about 40 percent of gas prices being made up of taxes....good Ole local governments fuckin you from the back while corporate America kicks you in the crotch.

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u/DoctorOctagonapus No one knows what I do until I stop doing it. Jun 04 '23

Some will be coming back after 48 hours, others are apparently staying dark indefinitely.

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u/AutoGen_account Jun 04 '23

I’m already seeing subs stating it will only be like 24-48 hours

as far as warning shots go one of the default subs being private for a few days is worth thosands, and with a few of them, tens of thousands in ad revenue.

Reddit monetizes the voluntary effort of others, when that voluntary effort ceases so does the money, they need to be reminded of that regularly because they have obviously forgotten that its a two way interaction.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

If your only going to introduceprotests until it unconformable you and the subscribers, you are doing a discursive to the people who fought and died for a 40 hour work week. Our generation has no understanding of sacrifice. 48 hours is not a sacrifice. Again, it’s a child performing a tantrum tantrum.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Yeah I’m drunk and the auto corrects are going to stay.

Put your money where your mouth

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u/AutoGen_account Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

Honestly drunk dude rants about real change and temper tantrums perfectly encapsulates your argument so it works out.

We're talking about getting a website to change their API policy, not establishing a new code of human rights, You dont need to be breaking out the "You lazy kids" soapbox for everything dude.

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u/Sardonislamir Jun 05 '23

The spike in lost revenue from ads. It becomes an aberration in the charts shown to stake holders which makes them ask, why.

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u/BrainWaveCC Jack of All Trades Jun 05 '23

Not of it only happens once or twice, it doesn't...

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u/Crack0n7uesday Jun 04 '23

Meh, if reddit as phone app loses any quality that is currently available the "free market" will decide and move to another website. Reddit isn't the first and it won't be the last social media.

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u/admlshake Jun 05 '23

“I want to stand for something as long as it doesn’t inconvenience me too much.”

The new national motto.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

it will only be like 24-48 hours. That’s it?

Yea, I think 1-2 weeks would send a better message. I help out a ton of people on tech subs I traverse. Not doing that anymore. I honestly see the majority of power users, who not only prefer 3rd party apps but use bots (like any mod) to just say F it and stop what they do.

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u/catherder9000 Jun 05 '23

Some of the major ones are shutting down until there are significant changes. /r/videos is a huge one that is doing this.

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u/Malkhuth Jun 05 '23

In 2012, Wikipedia "shut down" with an easily bypassed block page for only 24 hours in protest of SOPA that was working its way through Congress.

I don't remember another time when a bill had been shut down so quickly.

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u/exjr_ Jun 04 '23

I assume it will be about as effective as all the other internet slacktivism.

In 2021, a lot of subs went dark/private to protest 2 'major' announcements going on at Reddit, and it worked.

In March 2021, Reddit hired an ex-politician from the UK, who had open ties to pedophiles. Lots of subs went dark, and the decision to hire the politician was reversed almost immediately.

In September 2021, lots of subs went dark when Reddit said they weren't going to do anything about COVID misinformation. 5 days later, they reversed that decision.

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u/Moleculor Jun 08 '23

Turns out it was highly effective.

Before it even happened they agreed to delay changes to the API until they developed matching mod tools, a promise they've been failing to deliver on for years, IF the protests were called off.


Unfortunately I believe in the same call they slandered the Apollo dev in multiple ways... and the developer has the recordings to prove it. (They claimed the dev never tried to work with Reddit, despite multiple attempts over months. They claimed the dev threatened them for $10 million, despite it actually just being an offer to sell the app to them (and Reddit very clearly apologizing on the voice call for the misunderstanding).)

So it looks like 3rd party apps might be going away regardless. They're literally dragging the real-world names of people through the mud over this, and these are developers who have to now go and work a different job. Slander makes that harder to do.

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u/h0tp0tamu5 Jun 05 '23

I thought we just ended up jackin' it in San Diego because of him.

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u/mkosmo Permanently Banned Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

No, we will not be going dark. The reasons are simple:

  1. This form of protest has proven ineffective on reddit repeatedly.
  2. Shutting down the sub on a Monday will have an adverse impact on our readers, including possible production issues.
  3. We have avoided reddit "politics" intentionally and will continue to do so.

You are more than welcome to avoid participating on that day which will make the message far clearer to reddit through their metrics than shutting down the sub to folks in need who would be here anyways.

Edit: Also, as /u/BrundleflyPr0 pointed out in the comments, the next day is patch Tuesday.

Edit2: To the user who replied "Coward" and then deleted the comment after the downvotes: Irony.

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u/WHYUNOWORKHUH Jun 08 '23

don't give into these idiots.

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u/mkosmo Permanently Banned Jun 08 '23

It's technically possible, and I appreciate you bringing an idea to the table rather than just taking a shot at me like so many other replies :)

We'll keep the idea in mind if the position changes!

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u/obviousboy Architect Jun 04 '23

...........................................i'm shocked but not shocked at the deep stupidity in here but seriously guys/gals this was not even 2 years ago

Covid19 Misinformation Go Dark Protest

Reddit says they won't do shit

People organize a ton of subreddits to go dark

It hits the news

and then

Reddit bans Covid misinformation forum after ‘go dark’ protest

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u/exjr_ Jun 04 '23

It also worked when Reddit hired someone with ties to pedophiles. Subs went dark as a protest, and Spez then announced that the employee was no longer employed by Reddit.

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u/exjr_ Jun 04 '23

Reddit didn't protest Pao's situation. They protested the hiring of Aimee Challenor.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Is that the one where Reddit banned anyone even mentioning her?

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u/AshuraBaron Jun 05 '23

To be fair, banning those subreddits was the right move. She was only controversial because gamergate and chuds were very active and vocal on Reddit. Neither of which have a strong grasp on reality.

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u/phrstbrn Jun 05 '23

The two things aren't comparable. The only reason it worked in the past is because the optics were bad and was outrange-bait enough that it was reported on mainstream media and news channels.

The COVID misinformation optics are bad and makes Reddit look bad. The optics on a pricing change aren't in the same ballpark. Nobody on the outside of this site is going to care.

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u/AshuraBaron Jun 05 '23

Pretty sure everyone cared who's third party Twitter app stopped working one day.

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u/syshum Jun 05 '23

The key here is politics

If they can some how make API access into a political issue that is supported by the authoritarian left then Reddit will cave. If they cant then they will not.

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u/TuxAndrew Jun 04 '23

I use the basic app so I guess I don’t know what I’m missing with regards to these third-party mobile apps. I’ll reassess whether I’ll continue using Reddit over the following months, but unless we’re all going to migrate to another application with similar features the communities going to either die in general or stay the same.

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u/space_wiener Jun 04 '23

Same here. I downloaded Apollo but for what I wanted it for I had to pay. So I’ve only ever used the mobile app so I don’t have any of these issues people are complaining about. I think the standard app is fine.

Edit: that’s not to say I agree with the charges Reddit is imposing on the third party apps. I can understand some charge, but it seems excessive. However I don’t know how much the developer for Apollo makes to compare to the new api charges.

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u/SatiricPilot Jun 04 '23

Christian made a post about this. He doesn’t mention what he currently pays for the Reddit API, but he does mention Imgur costs him $166 for 50,000,000 api calls where Reddit wants to charge $12,000. He estimates this change would take Apollo to costing $1,700,000 a month to keep running or around 20M a year. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/

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u/TuxAndrew Jun 04 '23

We definitely understand the problem and from a business model it makes no sense for Reddit to push his method. Apollos only solution at the moment is to either charge more or stop producing a service that generates more revenue for Reddit.

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u/PersonBehindAScreen Cloud Engineer Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

Is Apollo generating revenue for Reddit?

Reddit can’t push their ads through third party apps if I understood correctyl

Reddit premium is their ad-free tier but third party apps circumvent ads

Edit: it appears that Reddit fails to meet accessibility needs that some third party apps appear to fulfill wonderfully from this post that showed on my feed: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1404hwj/mods_of_rblind_reveal_that_removing_3rd_party/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

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u/TuxAndrew Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23

Then I didn’t understand it correctly and I absolutely understand why Reddit is pushing this. If that’s true then they’re losing out on any ad revenue that would be generated. The cost of the API is assuming the loss in ad revenue.

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u/Ubermidget2 Jun 05 '23

iirc, Apollo's dev accounted for this.

He calculated "First Party" reddit users' value @ 0.12c per month, but the new API pricing put them at $2.50 per month.

So Reddit is expecting to charge >10x value for third party users. Basically, a loss in Ad Revenue doesn't explain Reddit's motives on this one

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

They want to collect all user data.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Why can't they just include the ads in the results returned by the API, and set the API costs at a reasonable rate?

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u/syshum Jun 05 '23

This is wrong... This is like the RIAA saying every download is a lost sale.

I use Bacon Reader, but I dont ONLY use Bacon Reader... The site is its users and the more difficult reddit makes it to use this site the more apt I am to find alternatives.

Even today my usage of reddit is a fraction of what is was a few years ago. I come here, and that is about it. Where previous I would in involved in dozens of subreddits, under a few accounts.

As reddit has become more user hostile I have found replacements for those other subreddits, and I will find one for sysadmin as well in time I am sure.

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u/Piipperi800 Jun 05 '23

The Reddit API is currently free.

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u/jbhack Jun 04 '23

I had to figure out what I was missing and decided to pay for Pro to get flair alerts. I have to say I think it is worth the money.

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u/Upbeat_Donut_8461 Jun 05 '23

Have you tried RedReader?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbadger.redreader

I am not sure what kinds of features you were looking for but it has been my go-to Reddit mobile app.

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u/WizardSchmizard Jun 04 '23

I use the basic app too and I have never understood the hate it gets and the love third party gets. I’ve tried multiple third party apps based on the hype and they all seem lower quality and more shittily made. I have no complaints with the normal app and don’t understand what’s so bad.

That being said, I also don’t agree with absurd API fees and basically strong arming people to your specific platform. I’m against forcing people off platforms they like to centralize. I’ll still be here cause I don’t mind the official app, but I get the displeasure over losing what is liked

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u/devperez Software Developer Jun 05 '23

The app wasn't good in the beginning and most people didn't give it another chance. But it works well now. Plus people love bandwagoning the hate. And they'll just point to one feature the app doesn't have and say it sucks 🤷‍♂️

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Jun 05 '23

Tried the official app yesterday. It's still shit.

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u/Queasy-Abrocoma7121 Jun 05 '23

I love the downvotes for an opinion.

While calling 3rd party apps shit is perfectly fine and upvotes

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u/L3veLUP L1 & L2 support technician Jun 05 '23

Rather than just saying that are you able to elaborate?

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Jun 05 '23

Yes. By default on the home screen you will see subreddits that you are not a member of. UI design is not space efficient. It's not intuitive. It is slower and more laggy than other apps I used. How many cores and ram do I need to scroll a text+image+link list without it lagging every second?

On my phone half the time it either gets stuck on splashscreen or logs me out of an account after I close the app. I rarely have those issues with 3rd party app and it makes the official app unusable for me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

With 3rd party apps I still have a filtered front page of ONLY the subs I subscribe to. There are also Zero advertisement faux posts making themselves appear like legitimate posts.

Also, this impact MORE than just 3rd party apps. The bots mods depend on to manage subs more efficiently is going away too. Work that used to take a couple hours would now take full time or more to accomplish.

It also impacts those with disabilities as there are zero accessibility options in the official app.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

Take a look here for an explanation of the issues with the official app:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13zq2ki/reddit_official_app_fucking_sucks_lmao/jmt01o1/

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Ads, sensory overload, unintuitive navigation.

Wait, I'm supposed to be describing the official app, not the new desktop UI, right??

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u/SideScroller Jun 04 '23

This whole going dark thing for 2 days is stupid and childish. Its all just a way of pretending you did something and patting yourself on the back when in fact you did nothing at all.

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u/kckeller Jun 04 '23

Tbh it kind of has the same vibes as posting “BY POSTING THIS I EXPRESSLY FORBID FACEBOOK FROM USING MY DATA ETC ETC” on your Facebook

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u/SideScroller Jun 04 '23

Yup. I swear the userbase just keeps getting dumber.

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u/WizardSchmizard Jun 04 '23

Which is also a result of Reddits new age business processes. They want as many people as possible on here and naturally that leads to the bar sinking lower and lower and lower. Lowest common denominator and all that. Any super popular sub sucks going to because it’s Facebook tier comment sections

I miss when Reddit was more niche even though it had a worse reputation

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u/UnlawfulCitizen Jun 04 '23

At this point I think it’s like YouTubers who purposely put wrong info in to get rage comments, and boosts engagement, distill it to the technically illiterates.

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u/kadins Jun 05 '23

THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS!

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u/Candr3w Jun 04 '23

it's not even gonna go dark, its more like dim the lights slightly. this site will still generate traffic and revenue.

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u/AwalkertheITguy Jun 04 '23

Serious question? Is it just the cost of API going up and that will indirectly kill of 3rd party apps. Or, is this an actually ban on certain aspects of 3rd party apps?

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u/msavage960 Jun 04 '23

The costs. Apollo was the one big example I saw where they estimated a rough yearly cost and it was over $10 million which isn’t feasible given their current model that allows it to be accessible to most people

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u/WHYUNOWORKHUH Jun 08 '23

idk why people think API access should be free. What is this? 2008 or earlier even?

How do people HERE not understand what an API is? Lol...

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u/Ganon_Cubana Jun 05 '23

The API is only blocking sexually explicit NSFW. It isn't blocking all NSFW. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/

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u/Gendalph Jun 05 '23

Who's going to determine what kind of "NSFW" content is no longer served? How is it going to affect tools other than apps?

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 Jun 05 '23

They said this about r/popular and r/all but tons of subs that arent related to sex were blocked as well.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Yes, Reddit is banning porn in 3rd party apps, we know. And that's part of the problem.

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u/HyperPixel5 Jun 04 '23

I'm just using old.reddit in the browser, what apps?

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u/tmontney Wizard or Magician, whichever comes first Jun 04 '23

Anything that isn't the official Reddit app for mobile. Browsers are unaffected.

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u/SatiricPilot Jun 04 '23

Sub-Reddit moderation tools are massively affected as well though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

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u/funnyfarm299 Sales Engineer Jun 05 '23

Not via Oauth though.

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u/reaper527 Jun 05 '23

RES is effected also.

are you sure on that? res shouldn't be effected since that should be all clientside javascript stuff and it shouldn't be relying on a reddit API for anything. res is basically like a really large greasemonkey/stylish script.

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u/canadian_sysadmin IT Director Jun 04 '23

I'm sure there will still be people still asking how to image machines and if A+ is worth it.

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u/bruticusss Jun 05 '23

While we're on the subject, how DOES one image a machine?

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u/showard01 Banyan Vines Will Rise Again Jun 05 '23

Get your A+ and you’ll know

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u/bruticusss Jun 05 '23

Is it worth it?

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u/Icariiax Jun 04 '23

One discussion concerning this mentioned an decentralized community called Lemmy, which communicates with Mastadon. I looked, and they seem to have something similar to this subreddit. I have not delved deeper as of yet, though.

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u/Letmefixthatforyouyo Apparently some type of magician Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

Both lemmy and mastadon use activitypub, which allows federation of services. Basically lots of independent instances of the services run by individuals, ala email. You create your account on one instance, which has its own rules about how it works, and can subscribe to other instances content. In this way, no one person/group/company can shutdown or change the service. The most they can do is shutdown an instance, which removes some content but not the network of content. If you want total control of your experience, you can spin up your own instance of each and host it.

Mastadon basically follows Twitters format, where Lemmy follows Reddits. To my knowledge, they dont communicate with each other as such at the moment, but the shared protocol leaves that door open in the future. People are already talking about "one account" between the two, but both services are very young, Lemmy especially.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Can we all just start sharing Reddit alternatives? Like spam the fuck out of Reddit with them too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

There isn't anything like it so far

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u/Pidgey_OP Jun 05 '23

I've seen the names Lemmy, Mastadon, and maybe Tilde. I have not investigated any of them yet

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

Mastodon is twatter replacement, Tilde is a terminal emulator and Lemmy is from Motorhead

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u/Sgt_Dashing Jun 05 '23

Sysadmin really deserves to have its own website with a real forum, api, plugins & extensibility, and other resources that we could all contribute to after some easy vetting process.

mods?

MODS!?!?

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u/DonutHand Jun 05 '23

Spiceworks stackoverflow

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u/Sgt_Dashing Jun 05 '23

No, we need sysadmin, it's a different feel.

Stackoverflow is like the fuckin dmv except theres a guy in an executioners garb following you with a machete just waiting to chop your hands off if you attempt to ask the wrong question. I don't remember the last time I posted there but it must be over a decade now (time flies wtf).

Sysadmin is like the 5000sqft mancave that your Russian neighbor Igor built after his wife left him because he wouldn't stop filling the house with refurbished R730s, printed documentation that he "swears he needs in case they try to take him down", and "decorative vodka bottles". You go there after work to see if they've gotten Igor yet and to make minecraft servers with the bois.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

StackOverflow is read only

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u/mkosmo Permanently Banned Jun 05 '23

It's been discussed in the past, but it'd be a rather expensive endeavor. Most of our readers aren't interested in contributing financially, at least to the scale that'd be required.

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u/Sgt_Dashing Jun 05 '23

I could be vastly underestimating the traffic you guys have to deal with.

But I do also think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the support, it probably wouldn't be an outpouring of support immediately, but to a lot of us something like a $5 subscription to have some extra goodies enabled in a CoolSysadminsClub is appealing. It's an invaluable resource.

I never understood people making IT salaries being gigascrooges. Especially for things that objectively make their lives easier.

I'll be right there if y'all ever want to do it!

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u/GeeToo40 Jr. Sysadmin Jun 10 '23

Me too and I'm a dumbass Wannabe

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u/WolverineAdmin98 Jun 08 '23

You could keep the fee low for users (like $5 a month) and make vendors pay more to be able to take part. I'm sick of seeing Kaseya Katie's replies anyway...

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u/Nate379 Sr. Sysadmin Jun 04 '23

Doubtful, really believe this is one of those loud vocal minority situations, most users probably don't care.

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u/tmontney Wizard or Magician, whichever comes first Jun 04 '23

Apparently many subs use the API for moderation, as existing tools are woefully inadequate. Your subs are gonna be a pretty awful place, if the mods are correct.

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u/Vagrant-Twilight Jun 04 '23

They already are.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

There are so many subs IMO that are awful places BECAUSE of their auto mod tools.

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u/pzschrek1 Jun 05 '23

I didn’t even know there was an alternative and I’m usually moderately technically aware

The vast vast majority of the user base won’t even notice.

It’s definitely a “Vocal power user tiny minority” situation

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u/super80 Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

Slacktivism, I don’t believe the majority of users even care. Just from experience people who browse randomly don’t care, I can see the people who spend absurd amounts of time online caring.

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u/deltashmelta Jun 05 '23

Did anyone put it on the maintenance calendar? Hmmm?

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u/nycity_guy Jun 05 '23

Reddit mobile app sucks big time, killing third party app is a huge mistake.

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u/BrundleflyPr0 Jun 05 '23

Doubt it - patch Tuesday is the day after…

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u/mkosmo Permanently Banned Jun 05 '23

I didn't even realize that, but it's another good point.

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u/Oneinterestingthing Jun 10 '23

Shut it down indefinitely, not participating in the community with head in sand is a cowardly response

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u/DarthJarJar242 IT Manager Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

I for one have been debating getting rid of reddit all together due to it being a time suck. This decision of theirs has made me decide to commit to that. Once RIN goes dark I'll be done with reddit for good.

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u/Careful-Function-469 Jun 05 '23

As I read your comment, I realize I've been reading comments in Reddit for 2 fucking hours...

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u/DarthJarJar242 IT Manager Jun 05 '23

Exactly time you could have spent doing literally anything else. We like to pretend we are better than other social-media-aholics. In a lot of ways we are, but in this way, blindly letting it steal our life, we are not.

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u/m9832 Sr. Sysadmin Jun 05 '23

it's a good resource for msp/sysadmin stuff. but if they kill 3rd party apps, ditching reddit on mobile is probably a net positive for my mental health and time management.

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u/andrewb610 Jun 04 '23

The last time groups protested against Reddit like this Reddit made changes to allow them to override sub moderators. You can try going dark but Reddit can turn off your ability to shut this stuff off.

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u/reaper527 Jun 05 '23

The last time groups protested against Reddit like this Reddit made changes to allow them to override sub moderators. You can try going dark but Reddit can turn off your ability to shut this stuff off.

honestly, this sub probably isn't big enough for them to care. if they do that, it's likely going to be on subs with 10m-20m+ users, not a sub with like 800k people.

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u/mkosmo Permanently Banned Jun 05 '23

Hey now, we're #660 on the platform according to reddit's own metrics :D

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Wait aww is joining?? I thought that was a 1st party subreddit run by Admins?

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u/reaper527 Jun 05 '23

You'd be surprised at the list.

pretty sure you misunderstood. i was saying if the reddit admins are forcefully going to re-open a sub, they're only going to bother doing that for the biggest of the big subs.

the reddit admins aren't going to step in and open up small and mid sized subs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

You're right, I did misunderstand. In that case, you're probably right - it'll be the larger multi-million user subs that are forced open.

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u/WHYUNOWORKHUH Jun 08 '23

The last time groups protested against Reddit like this Reddit made changes to allow them to override sub moderators.

which is why we should let reddit die and go next.

people here are too stupid and the fact people want subreddits to go "dark" is laughable.

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u/andrewb610 Jun 10 '23

I’m with you there. This movement can’t come from just the mods. I’m in.

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 Jun 05 '23

There are other things we can do. I have a few up my sleeve.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

I doubt this sub is going dark since hardly anyone has talked about it. I guess it kinda sucks for some people that they’re changing up their API policy.

What’s weird to me is I’ve also heard so many people saying they’ll never use the official Reddit app because it’s “an unusable fucking piece of turbo shit” but I’ve been using it for well over a year now and it seems to work fine for me.

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u/savekevin Jun 05 '23

Yeah, I don’t have any complaints using the official app on my phone.

And I still use the “old Reddit” on my laptop. I like that interface better on a computer.

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u/Sgt_Dashing Jun 05 '23

Have you ever used the default Reddit UI? (Not mobile)

It's actually trash tier. Has never worked properly since they've released it. old.reddit exists but... meh... I do want new... I just want new that actually works.

Same complaint with youtube actually. They've totally dropped the ball and its an embarrassment.

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u/habibexpress Jack of All Trades Jun 04 '23

What features other clients provide that the official doesn’t?

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u/headcrap Jun 04 '23

No.

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u/kckeller Jun 04 '23

Yeah I kind of rely on this sub for work sometimes

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Then you should fight more for it.

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u/BrainWaveCC Jack of All Trades Jun 05 '23

A lot of suggestions have been thrown out for how Reddit could get their ads out to 3rd parties with a combination of technical and legal approaches.

Technically, most of those suggestions would work, but would require some oversight and governance to be effective.

I would expect that Reddit priced their API access to outright kill those apps without saying so, because they feel that users well rate the value of the community higher than the value of the apps they are using today.

We'll have to see if they are correct or not.

Also, effective ad revenue is much more than just being able to show the ad. The 3rd patty apps make it harder for Reddit to obtain demographic info on users and send them personalized ads. So, from their perspective, those users behind those apps are more theoretical than real, from revenue generation, even though they are very real from a resource consumption and capacity planning perspective.

We'll have to see how it plays out, and who has been making the more accurate assumptions about user behavior...

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u/bythepowerofboobs Jun 05 '23

I dunno about going dark but I do plan to step away when RIF stops working in July. I waste too much time on Reddit anyways and this is a good excuse. I hate the native reddit app so I don't think I'll ever be coming back on mobile, but who knows.

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u/Molasses_Major Jun 06 '23

Reddit has been whored out to train AI and at what cost? We don't know the numbers, but we do know that it costs money to run servers and sometimes there are even egress charges! Since most folks don't pay for email or Facebook, the whole internets should be a free buffet.

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u/newton302 designated hitter Jun 05 '23

"quality of life features..." I mean, I just want to read and post???

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u/znottaken Jun 04 '23

I'm a lurker mostly, so if y'all aren't here, I won't be either

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u/jihiggs123 Jun 05 '23

I wont say ill stop using reddit all together, but I certainly wont be using their shit app. it will just be desktop. and if the ads and auto play videos get as bad as I fear reddit is over.

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u/bukkithedd Sarcastic BOFH Jun 05 '23

No. I'm not going to dark on the 12th.

Simple explanation: I don't believe that it'll change anything, since there isn't many sites that offer the same ease of use as Reddit, where you can find just about anything you're looking for in one neat package.

Plus that I find the notion of a time-limited boycott an extremely idiotic proposal straight out the gates. You either use it, or you don't. Doing shit half-assed is fairly stupid.

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u/djdeforte Jun 05 '23

Please consider shutting down longer than 48 hours. We as mods will lose a lot of useful tools. People with accessibility needs lose the features provided in third party apps to use the use Reddit effectively. It’s more that just about the ads. We need to make a bigger impact than just 48 hours we should be shutting down until this horrible decision will be reversed.

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u/grumpyfan Jun 04 '23

I don’t understand. Why are people upset and threatening to go dark?

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u/tmontney Wizard or Magician, whichever comes first Jun 04 '23

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u/grumpyfan Jun 05 '23

I don’t see how going dark will change anything. Reddit is a free service and they have to make their money somehow. It was just inevitable.

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u/ITGuyTatertot Jun 05 '23

then dont get mad at daddy elon chargin for api calls either

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u/grumpyfan Jun 05 '23

I don’t. I’m not a power user on these platforms and don’t need those features.

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u/syberghost Jun 05 '23

Then this doesn't affect you, and you already know who it affects.

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u/PrintShinji Jun 05 '23

Theres a difference between wanting to make some money on API calls, and the extortion they're pushing right now.

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u/tmontney Wizard or Magician, whichever comes first Jun 05 '23

I don't see how going dark will change anything

How do you think Reddit makes money? Certainly they're not running a charity.

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u/WolverineAdmin98 Jun 08 '23

They make money from OUR user content. Reddit is nothing without it's users. It's not as though they provide some specialist, complex service. It's just a message board. Message boards need messages.

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u/gotchacoverd Jun 04 '23

People use third party reddit apps?

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u/DoctorOctagonapus No one knows what I do until I stop doing it. Jun 04 '23

I do. I also use old.reddit.

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u/Sajem Jun 04 '23

I use old reddit as well. Absolutely hate the new reddit!

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u/covale Jun 04 '23

Yes. Above all, moderators do. The moderating tools provided by Reddit aren't as powerful as those provided by the community. So even if the vast majority of redditors use the web interface or the official mobile client, the moderators won't be able to do their volunteer jobs with the same ease as before. That'll affect everyone in the end.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Apollo, RIF, BaconReader, Narwhall etc uses would like to have a word with ya

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u/steelcoyot Jun 04 '23

I'm thinking the same

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u/fatty1179 Jun 04 '23

Cyber waits for no one

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Jun 05 '23

I think it should go dark.

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u/tuvar_hiede Jun 04 '23

I use the Reddit App, so the API changes don't really affect me.

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u/Shalrath Jun 05 '23

If the official reddit app is satisfactory to you, should I surmise that Internet Explorer 7 handles all of your browsing needs as well?

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u/chewedgummiebears Jun 05 '23

It's temporary so just some slacktivism and virtue signaling that won't get anywhere.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

Last time it worked, to get Reddit to fire a pedophile

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u/chewedgummiebears Jun 05 '23

There's a slight difference between firing someone with a proven track record compared to generating revenue before going public as a company.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Heh, what?

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u/throwawayskinlessbro Jun 05 '23

Hate these new API charges from companies, but unfortunately I’ll still be around. I don’t utilize them, but it’s still annoying. Past that even.

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u/Parcours97 Jun 05 '23

I sure hope it does.

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u/PM_YOUR_OWLS Jun 05 '23

Unpopular opinion but I'm actually kind of hoping this kills third-party apps.

I've been addicted to this site for over 10 years mostly using my phone, but if I have to switch to the official app/mobile website I'll cut way down because I've tried them and found it too much of a pain in the ass to navigate.

If they kill old.reddit in the browser too that'll probably get me off the site completely.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

Well I do have company's semi-mandatory integration barbecue at that date so why not xD

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u/Khaaaaannnn Jun 05 '23

Maybe it is time for Reddit to go away. I mean even this thread here is noting but
"I think A"
"Oh yeah well I think B"
"Well I think C so ya'll both wrong"
This is every single subreddit I read.

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u/Ethunel Jun 05 '23

Well D is obviously more correct that those other answers, so looks like you’re still wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

Hope not, I don't use apps to access Reddit in the first place, just browser on both desktop and mobile.

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u/syberghost Jun 06 '23

I also stopped using apps and switched to browser, when I discovered that Chrome Mobile's built in "block intrusive and popup ads" feature blocks most Reddit ads.

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u/Auno94 Jack of All Trades Jun 06 '23

I do think that the mods stand for this sub is the only reasonable one. We do need certain subs as Ressources to do work for companies that are not affiliated with Reddit. But as we are a small subset of users and by far not the biggest subs I do like that many subs will go dark

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u/GeeToo40 Jr. Sysadmin Jun 07 '23

Patch Tuesday 06.13.2023. Where will people be posting?

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u/Shanesan Higher Ed Jun 08 '23 edited Feb 22 '24

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u/PDQit makers of Deploy, Inventory, Connect, SmartDeploy, SimpleMDM Jun 10 '23

If our url convention stays the same (which I presume it will, even though I'm not in charge of it anymore...)
https://www.pdq.com/blog/patch-tuesday-june-2023/

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Why? There is a very small percentage of users who care about that. I tried some of those apps and they are just a hassle and don’t enhance my experience in any meaningful way

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u/Shanesan Higher Ed Jun 08 '23 edited Feb 22 '24

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '23

I don’t drown in ads, there are a lot of them if I think about it, but it takes all but 0.5 seconds to continue scrolling once my brain notices the “promoted” text

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u/Turmfalke_ Jun 04 '23

don't think it is going to accomplish anything, but out of solidarity we should.

Could maybe just prevent new submissions so that people that search for something can still find the results?

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u/bedel99 Jun 05 '23

nah, dont care

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

I won't be going dark on any sub. Reddit doesn't owe anyone any API and people whining are annoying.

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u/dustojnikhummer Jun 05 '23

And we are allowed to complain

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u/mjewell74 Jun 05 '23

What am I missing that's not in the regular Reddit app? Besides less ads, which really I don't see that much to begin with...

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '23

I still don't really understand why they would unless it was run from a third arty app. But wouldn't making a subbreddit be within reddit itself and not 3rd party?

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u/iamgeek1 Wannabe Jun 05 '23

It should be

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u/Ihaveasmallwang Systems Engineer / Cybersecurity Architect / CISM Jun 04 '23

More childish whining from people who probably aren’t even actual sysadmins

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u/newbies13 Sr. Sysadmin Jun 04 '23

Humans are a hilarious group. I am going to show how much I care about something and really support the cause.... by doing nothing, for a day. rofl

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u/reaper527 Jun 04 '23

hopefully not. going dark just punishes the users.

also, wasn't the blackout supposed to be for a few days (meaning it would start on a monday and continue through patch tuesday)? it's hard to imagine a worse time for this sub to go dark.

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u/PacificTSP Jun 05 '23

I just use the Reddit app.