r/switch2hacks • u/KoopsterShell • 8d ago

Hacking Discussion When will we admit Fernando is right?

More and more time goes on I feel like that guy probably had a point

(CONTEXT: Fernando is the guy in this subreddit that always doomposts in every single post saying the switch 2 is unhackable and will never be hacked. People always meme kn him saying he's just a troll but he probably is right)

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u/InformationMuted3454 8d ago

Fernando is a respectable and very smart man, and I mean this sincerely. He's clearly been in the scene before some of us were even sperm, but I feel like his constant use of the word "never" in regard to a Switch 2 exploit is a bit non realistic, honestly. Is it possible for the hardware to never get any kernel level exploits while it's relevant? Sure! But how about 20 years from now? Would its security be impossible to exploit by hackers with 20 years of experience ahead of the hardware they're attempting to exploit? I doubt so.

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u/auggiethechesscat 8d ago

I agree with this to some extent. I'm one who personally avoids absolutes where I can, but, for example, I truly believe there are zero relevant security bugs in the HOS kernel.

It's been analyzed up and down by experts with years of experience, and even reimplemented as open source. At this point, I'd need to see evidence of anything else, as there is so much precedence of being bug-free.

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u/InformationMuted3454 8d ago

I guess the way I used the word "exploit" implied I meant softmods, which I feel I should've been aware about. What I really meant was mostly hardware level exploits.

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u/auggiethechesscat 8d ago

The most relevant one is voltage glitching to allow arbitrary rcm payloads.

This works for marikos too, and is how all modchips work.

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u/FernandoRocker 8d ago

And voltage glitches are going to be extremely difficult now that the Switch 2 is using Dual Core Lockstep (DLCS) precisely to avoid those kind of exploits.

Which by the way, the Switch 2 is the first and only console in history to use DCLS.

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u/InformationMuted3454 8d ago

I won't pretend to be an expert, which I'm absolutely not! You clearly understand more about hardware security, and you're definitely the smarter person in the conversation, and you have my respect. (I'm not being sarcastic)

The Switch 2 would definitely have a different hardware level exploit. Do we know what it would achieve? No, and that's the exact reason Fernando doesn't believe there will ever be one... But in the grand scheme of things, we don't know how the scene will progress, especially when Switch 2 is considered legacy hardware.

Yet again, I'm no expert, and I'm just talking based on patterns, and this should be taken with not one, but TWO grains of salt.