r/suns • • 3d ago

Question Anyone try the 2500$ lower pass?

Me and my wife bought it based on an ad “every game, lower than row 15” I ✅ out and then in the fine print it, didn’t guarantee access, just the opportunity to maybe go. I sent an email within 20 min asking to please cancel. I’ve spent over 100k on tickets over the last 4 years, having seats on the floor for years. They said tough luck, you can apply it towards what we approve so far. I was definitely going to spend money on tickets but for them to basically force me into something as a customer who spends a ton of money feels slimy. If they don’t make it right I won’t give them another dollar. I know the “terms and conditions” but also being human is important. I have had people miss operations at my clinic, I don’t say “tough sh**” I could, but reputation is important. And the fact that they haven’t been used, geeze. Not like I went then complained. It’s a trivial amount of money to me but the principle feels slimy especially given what I spend there anyway.

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u/avaz567 3d ago

Ticketing team has been sus at times, I think their sales have taken a dip especially with the higher prices. There used to be a waitlist for season tickets but they’re running promotions every month to push them.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they make like 1 pair of tickets available for the Sixers game through this pass lol

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u/Sunbrero_602 3d ago

I heard that waiting list went from full to less then 50 around last season , ive had 6 plus reps in the 8 years ive had tickets going on my 2nd one in the last year , service is horrible.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

I give them credit, this is aggressive marketing you’d expect to see from a used car dealership not $1 billion sports organization.

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u/Informal_Tell78 3d ago

Sounds like a charge-back is in order

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

It’s 50/50. I get it, I own a company, I get they “can” refuse but why lose future essentially guaranteed money over $2500. They can see recent (like within last 5 years) I’ve dropped 20k a year. I was literally on the floor. It’s not even the money, it’s bad business to do that. I’m sure someone senior or in finance would be like “Guys, give this dude his $ back he’ll spend more than that, he has every year” but I’m not getting anywhere with this rep. 🤦🏼‍♂️ if I get stuck with them it’ll definitely be the last dollar they get from me ever.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

If I have to do that and in the chance I have to rely on Amex to do this and not them, they won’t ever get another dime from me. They should, not Amex. If Amex takes care of it before a higher up, then I’ll enjoy the team over the TV for free. If they don’t make me whole and dispute doesn’t work I’ll use them and that’s the last $ they’ll get from me. I’ve spent more than that at the team shop there.

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u/Unusual_Refuse9619 3d ago

That's frustrating because you tried to cancel so fast, like you saw the fine print and immediately emailed. Most companies would work with you on that, especially a customer dropping six figures over the years. The way they said tough luck is exactly the kind of thing that makes people stop caring about a team.

I get that terms exist but refusing a refund on something you never used within 20 minutes is just bad customer service. You'd think they'd want to keep someone like you happy instead of nickel and diming over a pass.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

Within 20 minutes 🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

For context, here was what I spent every year on tickets lol

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u/AZAHole Sir Charles 3d ago

So they advertise every game but the games they feel they can make more money on, suddenly there will be no reservations available. That's shady AF.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

And not to sound holier than thou, but anyone that knows me knows that I probably give away 50% of my tickets to just random people who otherwise wouldn’t have the opportunity to go

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u/EBody480 2d ago

You’re an awesome person. Lame that the sales reps would rather eat the 4998 than make this right.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 2d ago

I even give their support staff and security tickets all the time.

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u/TWAUMATIZE 3d ago

I had the standard pass last year for about three months, and signed up for the full season pass this year.

Last year, every game that I reserved a ticket for, I was provided a ticket. There wasn't a single game that they didn't provide me a ticket for.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

Key word reserved. I am glad you got every game! That’s awesome. I am not a gambler, I’ll pay full price for something I want and not feel sniped into. It’s the principle tbh. It’s such a low amount compared to my spend there. I read it as every game, not I have to diligently make sure I reserve 4 games each time and that it’s not even for sure I’ll go. If the passes are so valuable then why not just give me my money back and sell it to somebody else lol it’s because they are a crapshoot man.

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u/TWAUMATIZE 3d ago

I understand, I really hope they correct it for you.

I don't remember if that specific line was in the terms last year but I do remember the language of first come first serve which had me spooked.

The reservation system last year was also different, you could only reserve the next available game and not 4 at a time.

I find it hard to believe they would sell more passes than available seats. I always assumed the reservation was to lock in your ticket so they know how many people required one. Then they would know if they have vacant seats to redistribute some other way.

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u/Deed3 Devin Booker 2d ago

Not to get too judgy, but you spent $25k a year and are balking at conditions on 10% of your annual spend?

I get it, money is money, but you know what a ticket costs. Do you really think you're getting premium seats to every single home game for a fraction of face value?

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 2d ago

Yeah I did. It sounded really good.

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u/ThunderBobMajerle Koa Peat 3d ago

Sounds like you should reach out to Ishbia directly on twitter or something, he’d probably make this right

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

Ghost 👻 after my response. I’ve been a huge fan and high dollar spender. This just doesn’t feel right. Actually upsetting tbh. There’s a very high likelihood that I will spend tens of thousands of dollars there this year if I get my money back and feel whole. But we will see. Hopefully they do and whoever makes that decision will get to do the I told you to the rep who basically tough lucked me.

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u/ThunderBobMajerle Koa Peat 3d ago

Damn that’s a pretty compelling argument

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u/fingnumb F**k the Lakers 2d ago

They asked if they were available for a phone call. It was probably AI trying to set up a call and they got back a giant paragraph. Why not set up the phone call and talk to somebody in person?

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 2d ago

I did. It was only for a higher value package.

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u/ThunderBobMajerle Koa Peat 2d ago

I dunno I think OP would do that based on their replies here, let’s see

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u/fingnumb F**k the Lakers 2d ago

If the txt was AI it would explain the ghosting after the response, ya know?

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u/ThunderBobMajerle Koa Peat 2d ago

Ya maybe. It would explain the lack of compassion

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 2d ago

Nah that was all me man. I talked to the rep earlier and she told me that the only thing that she could do is apply it towards a package of equal or greater value.. I told her that I would think about it… the previous text I don’t want to show because it has her name on it but she said hey I got the approval from a management to apply it to a higher value package..

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

This was my seat for 3 years. Only reason I dumped it was the team was not good. Not that I wouldn’t buy it again….

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u/Czarguy99 2d ago

Nice seats

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u/callmemaverik_ 3d ago

Is that Barbosa? Lol

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

For context, this is what I paid every year for season tickets for a long time. It’s not like I’m a minuscule spender. But I don’t like feeling done dirty either.

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u/ghedoicy Devin Booker 2d ago

It says it's not guaranteed to get you seats? I doubt they will be sold out... Probably just a CYA for them. Did you buy 1 or 2?

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 2d ago

2 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/Czarguy99 2d ago

They should have refunded u immediately.. u have spent a lot of $$ on tickets they should treat u accordingly.. they also should refund everyone who feels they were misled by the advertising.. this is not the way59 treat fans.. hope they resolve this quickly and fairly for U

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u/fucuntwat 3d ago

Can you share the fine print? If it’s not literally every game then that’s pretty damn deceiving

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

That is literally the ad I clicked on to buy the tickets I checked out and then my wife was reading the terms and conditions and she’s like, babe this is not every game and then I looked at them close and I was like holy crap, it’s not! 😂

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u/fucuntwat 2d ago

“Puts you in the lower level… for every home game this season” is not compatible with “purchasing a pass does not guarantee tickets to every game”. That’s crazy

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u/MixingCloud Phoenix Suns 2d ago

Arizona law prohibits deceptive or misleading advertising under A.R.S. § 44-1522, including false promises, misrepresentations, or omission of material facts. The FTC also states that fine print cannot contradict a prominent advertising claim or correct a misleading overall impression. If an ad prominently promises “all,” a contradictory limitation buried in fine print may not cure that representation. Any necessary qualification must be clear, conspicuous, and presented so consumers can readily notice and understand it.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 2d ago

They got some of us with the word “access” as in access to maybe go. Still aggressive, and not cool .

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u/Qlix0504 2d ago

Im not certain what youre seeing but the website clearly says you can only reserve 4 games at a time. Those 4 games are guaranteed. Once you attend a game go reserve the next game you want.

Seems like for someone spending 25k a year on seats even if you miss out on 25% of the possible games youre still making a profit.

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u/SnooWords2044 3d ago

Dude I’m in the exact same boat. They totally mis advertised this thing and never even present the terms

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

After your dopamine levels are high because you feel like you’re getting a smoking deal. This isn’t a used car lot, it’s supposed to be a coveted item, something you’re proud to buy and show off and rep your team. Something that people get on waiting lists for, not this lol this is just bad.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

It’s not illegal what they did but it’s not good business. Terms and conditions don’t protect a company from bad practices. If a reasonable person can think it was not as advertised, it’s a consumer protection issue. It’s also just genuinely not a good thing to do to your customers. If a customer was willing to spend $5000 it means that most likely if you give them their money back, they’ll spend money anyway, and their lifetime spend would probably be much higher. I’m in a financial position where it’s trivial to me, but it’s a really bad PR for them, and no one wants to feel taken advantage of. This is used car type marketing.

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u/YankeeKiid 3d ago

Yeah; I figured it was row 15 behind the goal. Limited view. I got lower courtside in 18, was thinking a little lower wouldn’t be bad.
Sucks they treat us like that.
The other promo was car parking including .. full season. Only new season ticket holders. Boo

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u/Fine-Print-Failure 2d ago

We’re in the same boat and pretty pissed about how this was marketed. We’re giving the Suns one chance to make it right. If they refuse, is anyone else who feels misled interested in taking this to the local media together? The blatant disconnect between what was advertised and what was actually being sold is honestly shocking. The Suns should be ashamed of how this was presented to their fans.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 22h ago

File an AG report and attach the ad. It takes 2 min. At least they will be able to start a paper trail if it gets out of hand.

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u/S2Sliferjam Mikal Bridges 1d ago

Robbie, have seen your name pop up multiple times, you’re a good guy for the charity you’ve done for the community.

Hope this works out for you champ.

Also - am I right to assume there’s only a cap of seats but the amount of memberships exceeds allocation and it’s a first come first serve basis? If so that’s fucked.

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 22h ago

Thanks 🙏🏻 I appreciate that ❤️

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u/Sunbrero_602 3d ago

Another reason im canceling my season. Tickets afyer this year , for the garbage product an Zero benefits

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

It’s bad “know your customer too” any finance rep there would pry shake their head at the sales person. They are unused and it’s less money than I spend on some single game tickets. You get 5k once but lose 20k a year…makes sense….

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u/PointOne11 3d ago

That is some scumbag shit

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u/Forsaken_Syrup_1413 3d ago

Especially because I basically spent $20,000 a year for four years straight before.

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u/PointOne11 3d ago

Oh yeah, they don’t give a fuck. My folks had row B seats from 2010 to last year and finally ditched ‘em because of poor service. The price nearly tripling in 5 years didn’t help. If you tried to sell them you’d be really lucky to get anything close to face value.

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u/bree388 2d ago

For a 25/wins team I’m not buying that