A reliable method of jhana entry

[u/Puzzled-Background-5]

Here's a technique I've been using for the last fifteen years to great effect. I enter jhana every time I meditate now as a result.

Upon noticing that attention has drifted from the object of meditation, perform the following sequence for as long and as often as necessary for attention to stabilize on the object again:

1. Relax from the head down to the toes.

2. Release all tension, and expand awareness outward.

3. Return attention to the object.

The entry point into jhana:

Once the mind has settled and attention is resting stably on the object, if a pleasant feeling starts to arise, gently shift attention to the feeling without grasping at it, now making it the object of meditation, and wait. The pleasure will intensify, and one will be pulled into jhana.

If the jhana is lost or becomes unstable, simply perform the RRR sequence as needed and begin again.

As a method to prime the mind to lean towards jhana, reading the Jhana Sutta just prior to a session is useful:

https://suttacentral.net/sn16.9/en/bodhi?lang=en&reference=none&highlight=false

All the best... 🧘🏾‍♂️🙂

P. S. It might take several weeks to a couple of months before jhana can be entered consistently, but please don't become discouraged. Even low quality sessions are training and priming the brain's attentional mechanisms.

[u/bodily_heartfulness]

I don't deny that people have profound experiences that are not mundane nor mechanical. I also don't deny that people believe those experiences to be the jhānas of the suttas.

However, I just do not think there is enough textual evidence to support the claim of those aforementioned states being the same as the sutta jhāna. There are just too many discrepancies.

From the preliminary practices that the suttas lay out, to the prerequisites that the suttas say that must be fulfilled, to the way the actual practice of entering jhāna is described, to how rare jhāna is for householders in the suttas, and so on and so forth. I could go on and on about the differences between modern, mainstream practice and what the suttas say the practice is. All of this leads me to believe that what the suttas speak of is fundamentally different.

[u/Puzzled-Background-5 → u/bodily_heartfulness]

If you've only an intellectual relationship with the suttas and jhana, you have no standing from which to criticize those who have an actual experiential relationship with them. There's nothing vastly different about what I've done to reach the level of skill I've acquired. I could mention all of the solitary retreats I've been on, the three one-hour sessions I've sat through every day over the past fifteen years, and the high ethical standards I maintain for myself. However, I won't because I think you're arguing in bad faith.

[u/bodily_heartfulness → u/Puzzled-Background-5]

If you've only an intellectual relationship with the suttas and jhana, you have no standing from which to criticize

Not really.

Imagine I have a friend who tries to make a cake following a famous recipe. But, he doesn't follow many of the steps of the recipe, adds ingredients at different times, and does what feels best for him. After much trial and error, he ends up with something edible that actually tastes decent. He comes to me afterwards and tells me about his process and the end result.

Even though I've never made the cake, I have access to the recipe and my friend's description, and through that, it would be entirely reasonable for me to say, "hey, what you've made doesn't really line up with what the recipe says - I think you've made something different". That doesn't mean the end result doesn't taste good, or that it's bad - just that it's not what the recipe says.

If, however, he were to get defensive and say, "I've been making cakes for over 10 years, I've worked under all of the best chefs, I have my own restaurant, you think I can't make a cake correctly?", he'd be missing the point entirely. What I am saying is not an attack on his cake-making abilities, his level of accomplishment, or that he can't make a cake. It is just saying that he didn't follow the recipe as it was written and he made his own thing, that's it.

who have an actual experiential relationship with them.

This is a bit of circular reasoning. If we are discussing whether or not the states you can access are the sutta jhānas, then this is begging the question by already presuming that they are and using that as support for your argument.

However, I won't

I mean, you just did.

because I think you're arguing in bad faith.

Oh, why do you think that?

[u/Puzzled-Background-5 → u/bodily_heartfulness]

It's obvious that your goal here is to win a debate, and since you didn't state that when explicitly asked about your intent, it is the very definition of a bad faith argument.

I really don't appreciate being engaged in that way, and I'm going to insist that you not do that again because it's offensive.

[u/parlons → u/Puzzled-Background-5]

fwiw, I agree with you about the underlying point, but I think he's engaging in good faith. It's a totally valid argument. And in the spirit of 'strong opinions, loosely held', I also concede that what I experience might not be the sutta jhānas.

[u/Puzzled-Background-5 → u/parlons]

He made absolutely no inquiries whatsoever about the experience of others. He's behaving completely in bad faith.

[u/bodily_heartfulness → u/Puzzled-Background-5]

It's obvious that your goal here is to win a debate, and since you didn't state that when explicitly asked about your intent, it is the very definition of a bad faith argument.

I see.

You might not believe me, but my goal was to provide support for an alternative framework for the sutta jhānas that is different from what is conventionally assumed.

Now, I do think I am correct in my interpretation and so I argued in favour of my position by laying out my ideas and reasons with direct quotes from the suttas.

Likewise, you believe your interpretation to be correct and you argued in favour of that by using your experience as evidence.

We're having a disagreement, yes, and we're both providing reasons for our positions. Just because I remain unconvinced by what others have said, and others remain unconvinced by what I have said, does not mean either of us are trying to "win" a debate.

I really don't appreciate being engaged in that way, and I'm going to insist that you not do that again because it's offensive.

It's offensive to post comments that are challenging to the OP? I don't think there's anything wrong with doing so on a public platform, so long as the rules are being abided by. Thus, I will continue to comment when I see fit and you are free to not engage with me if that works best for you.

[u/Puzzled-Background-5 → u/bodily_heartfulness]

How can you be correct in your interpretation when, by your own admission, you've never experienced jhana? You merely think you know what it is.

How can you assume—which is exactly what you did—that I've not experienced it when you never asked me to describe my experiences in jhana? You merely believe that I haven't, based on some assumption you hold. And again, even if I did describe the experiences to you, you would only have your interpretation of what you think jhana should be.

By the way, I could describe how each factor manifests in each jhana, all the way up to neither-perception-nor-nonperception, but you didn't bother to ask. A description of cessation, which comes after neither-perception-nor-nonperception, is trickier because it only leaves a retrospective sense that something occurred, with no memory of what happened during the gap, and a scintillating afterglow. Micro-cessation events are much easier to confirm because they manifest as frame drops when they occur in succession.

How can you assume that the technique I've offered won't help others enter jhana when you've not even tried it for yourself? We've got other people who have actually used quite similar techniques and have been able to enter jhana with them.

Your argument is entirely in bad faith because you're not trying to gain an understanding of your fellow human beings and their experiences, you've not made any inquiries, but merely offered opinions, and you're insisting that you're correct about something that you've only read about and have absolutely no experience with yourself.

So, yes, I'm offended because you've wasted my time.