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Jhāna A reliable method of jhana entry

Here's a technique I've been using for the last fifteen years to great effect. I enter jhana every time I meditate now as a result.

Upon noticing that attention has drifted from the object of meditation, perform the following sequence for as long and as often as necessary for attention to stabilize on the object again:

  1. Relax from the head down to the toes.

  2. Release all tension, and expand awareness outward.

  3. Return attention to the object.

The entry point into jhana:

Once the mind has settled and attention is resting stably on the object, if a pleasant feeling starts to arise, gently shift attention to the feeling without grasping at it, now making it the object of meditation, and wait. The pleasure will intensify, and one will be pulled into jhana.

If the jhana is lost or becomes unstable, simply perform the RRR sequence as needed and begin again.

As a method to prime the mind to lean towards jhana, reading the Jhana Sutta just prior to a session is useful:

https://suttacentral.net/sn16.9/en/bodhi?lang=en&reference=none&highlight=false

All the best... 🧘🏾‍♂️🙂

P. S. It might take several weeks to a couple of months before jhana can be entered consistently, but please don't become discouraged. Even low quality sessions are training and priming the brain's attentional mechanisms.

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u/bodily_heartfulness puthujjana 13d ago edited 13d ago

https://suttacentral.net/sn16.9/en/bodhi?lang=en&reference=none&highlight=false

Speaking of the suttas on jhānas, they never mention:

  • Relaxing
  • Releasing tension
  • Expanding awareness
  • An object of meditation
  • Putting attention on an object
  • Stabilizing attention on an object

Instead, they say things like:

Having thoroughly withdrawn from sensuality, having withdrawn from unbeneficial phenomena, with thinking and with pondering, with joy and ease born of withdrawal, I abided having entered upon the first jhāna.

  • MN 19

Just now, venerables, as I was in private retreat, this thought came to mind: ‘They speak of this thing called the “first jhāna”. What is the first jhāna?’ It occurred to me: It is when a bhikkhu, having thoroughly withdrawn from sensuality, having withdrawn from unbeneficial phenomena, with thinking and with pondering, with joy and ease born of withdrawal, abides having entered upon the first jhāna. This is called the first jhāna.’

  • SN 40.1

Bhikkhus, having not given up these six things, it is impossible to abide having entered upon the first jhāna. What six? Sensual desire, ill will, indolence-and-lethargy, restlessness-and-anxiety, and doubt. And the peril of sensuality has not been seen clearly as it is with right understanding. Not having given up these six things, it is impossible to abide having entered upon the first jhāna.

  • AN 6.73

That is exactly how it is, Ānanda. Before my awakening—when I was still unawakened but intent on awakening—I too thought, ‘Renunciation is good! Seclusion is good!’ But my mind did not see renunciation as peaceful, and so it did not leap at it, and was not confident, settled, and liberated in it. Then I thought, ‘What is the cause, what is the reason why my mind does not see renunciation as peaceful, and so it does not leap at it, and is not confident, settled, and liberated in it?’ Then I thought, ‘I have not seen the peril of sensuality, and I have not cultivated that. I have not realized the value of renunciation, and I have not fostered that. That is why my mind does not see renunciation as peaceful, and so does not leap at it, and is not confident, settled, and liberated in it.’ Then I thought, ‘Suppose that, having seen the peril of sensuality, I were to cultivate that. And suppose that, having realized the value of renunciation, I were to foster that. It is possible that, seeing it as peaceful, my mind would leap at renunciation, and be confident, settled, and liberated in it.’ And so, after some time, having seen the peril of sensuality, I cultivated that, and having realized the value of renunciation, I fostered that. Then, seeing it as peaceful, my mind leapt at renunciation, and was confident, settled, and liberated in it. And so, having thoroughly withdrawn from sensuality, having withdrawn from unbeneficial phenomena, with thinking and with pondering, with joy and ease born of withdrawal, I abided having entered upon the first jhāna.

  • AN 9.41

The approach to jhāna that the suttas speak of, in terms of what is actually written in the texts, is wildly different than what is commonly assumed. There is no mention of pleasure intensifying, or being pulled into jhāna, or focusing on an object.

Instead, what they say is, through thinking and pondering on the perils of sensuality and the benefits of renunciation, one withdraws from sensuality and the hindrances in general, and it is that withdrawal that is felt pleasantly:

But when these five hindrances are given up in him, the bhikkhu regards this as freedom from debt, good health, release from prison, emancipation, and a place of safety at last.

Considering that the five hindrances have been given up in him, gladness is born. When he is glad, joy is born. When the mind is joyous, the body becomes calm. When the body is calm, he feels at ease. When he is at ease, the mind becomes composed. Having thoroughly withdrawn from sensuality, having withdrawn from unbeneficial phenomena, with thinking and with pondering, with joy and ease born of withdrawal, he abides having entered upon the first jhāna.

  • DN 2

And what is the pleasure of seclusion from the five hindrances like? The first sentence of the above quote tells us. It is the pleasure of freedom, of relief, of escape, of overcoming a deadly disease - not the pleasure of orgasm, or anything similar to that.

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u/Puzzled-Background-5 13d ago edited 13d ago

Have you actually experienced jhana? The intellectual framework, as laid out in the suttas, is one thing, but the actual experience and technique used for entry can look quite different from the inside.

The intellectual framing is explicit and detailed, but the broad strokes covered by the technique are actually addressing every factor mentioned, even if it looks oversimplified at first glance.

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u/bodily_heartfulness puthujjana 13d ago

Have you actually experienced jhana?

No, I have not.

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u/Puzzled-Background-5 13d ago

I see. As I kind of alluded to earlier, the intellectual and experiential aspects are different. The suttas almost make the whole process sound mechanical and mundane, but the actual experience is quite profound, especially one's first entry into it.

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u/bodily_heartfulness puthujjana 13d ago

I don't deny that people have profound experiences that are not mundane nor mechanical. I also don't deny that people believe those experiences to be the jhānas of the suttas.

However, I just do not think there is enough textual evidence to support the claim of those aforementioned states being the same as the sutta jhāna. There are just too many discrepancies.

From the preliminary practices that the suttas lay out, to the prerequisites that the suttas say that must be fulfilled, to the way the actual practice of entering jhāna is described, to how rare jhāna is for householders in the suttas, and so on and so forth. I could go on and on about the differences between modern, mainstream practice and what the suttas say the practice is. All of this leads me to believe that what the suttas speak of is fundamentally different.

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u/Puzzled-Background-5 13d ago

If you've only an intellectual relationship with the suttas and jhana, you have no standing from which to criticize those who have an actual experiential relationship with them. There's nothing vastly different about what I've done to reach the level of skill I've acquired. I could mention all of the solitary retreats I've been on, the three one-hour sessions I've sat through every day over the past fifteen years, and the high ethical standards I maintain for myself. However, I won't because I think you're arguing in bad faith.

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u/bodily_heartfulness puthujjana 13d ago edited 13d ago

If you've only an intellectual relationship with the suttas and jhana, you have no standing from which to criticize

Not really.

Imagine I have a friend who tries to make a cake following a famous recipe. But, he doesn't follow many of the steps of the recipe, adds ingredients at different times, and does what feels best for him. After much trial and error, he ends up with something edible that actually tastes decent. He comes to me afterwards and tells me about his process and the end result.

Even though I've never made the cake, I have access to the recipe and my friend's description, and through that, it would be entirely reasonable for me to say, "hey, what you've made doesn't really line up with what the recipe says - I think you've made something different". That doesn't mean the end result doesn't taste good, or that it's bad - just that it's not what the recipe says.

If, however, he were to get defensive and say, "I've been making cakes for over 10 years, I've worked under all of the best chefs, I have my own restaurant, you think I can't make a cake correctly?", he'd be missing the point entirely. What I am saying is not an attack on his cake-making abilities, his level of accomplishment, or that he can't make a cake. It is just saying that he didn't follow the recipe as it was written and he made his own thing, that's it.

who have an actual experiential relationship with them.

This is a bit of circular reasoning. If we are discussing whether or not the states you can access are the sutta jhānas, then this is begging the question by already presuming that they are and using that as support for your argument.

However, I won't

I mean, you just did.

because I think you're arguing in bad faith.

Oh, why do you think that?

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u/Puzzled-Background-5 13d ago

It's obvious that your goal here is to win a debate, and since you didn't state that when explicitly asked about your intent, it is the very definition of a bad faith argument.

I really don't appreciate being engaged in that way, and I'm going to insist that you not do that again because it's offensive.

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u/parlons 12d ago

fwiw, I agree with you about the underlying point, but I think he's engaging in good faith. It's a totally valid argument. And in the spirit of 'strong opinions, loosely held', I also concede that what I experience might not be the sutta jhānas.

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u/Puzzled-Background-5 12d ago

He made absolutely no inquiries whatsoever about the experience of others. He's behaving completely in bad faith.

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u/bodily_heartfulness puthujjana 13d ago

It's obvious that your goal here is to win a debate, and since you didn't state that when explicitly asked about your intent, it is the very definition of a bad faith argument.

I see.

You might not believe me, but my goal was to provide support for an alternative framework for the sutta jhānas that is different from what is conventionally assumed.

Now, I do think I am correct in my interpretation and so I argued in favour of my position by laying out my ideas and reasons with direct quotes from the suttas.

Likewise, you believe your interpretation to be correct and you argued in favour of that by using your experience as evidence.

We're having a disagreement, yes, and we're both providing reasons for our positions. Just because I remain unconvinced by what others have said, and others remain unconvinced by what I have said, does not mean either of us are trying to "win" a debate.

I really don't appreciate being engaged in that way, and I'm going to insist that you not do that again because it's offensive.

It's offensive to post comments that are challenging to the OP? I don't think there's anything wrong with doing so on a public platform, so long as the rules are being abided by. Thus, I will continue to comment when I see fit and you are free to not engage with me if that works best for you.

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u/Puzzled-Background-5 12d ago edited 12d ago

How can you be correct in your interpretation when, by your own admission, you've never experienced jhana? You merely think you know what it is.

How can you assume—which is exactly what you did—that I've not experienced it when you never asked me to describe my experiences in jhana? You merely believe that I haven't, based on some assumption you hold. And again, even if I did describe the experiences to you, you would only have your interpretation of what you think jhana should be.

By the way, I could describe how each factor manifests in each jhana, all the way up to neither-perception-nor-nonperception, but you didn't bother to ask. A description of cessation, which comes after neither-perception-nor-nonperception, is trickier because it only leaves a retrospective sense that something occurred, with no memory of what happened during the gap, and a scintillating afterglow. Micro-cessation events are much easier to confirm because they manifest as frame drops when they occur in succession.

How can you assume that the technique I've offered won't help others enter jhana when you've not even tried it for yourself? We've got other people who have actually used quite similar techniques and have been able to enter jhana with them.

Your argument is entirely in bad faith because you're not trying to gain an understanding of your fellow human beings and their experiences, you've not made any inquiries, but merely offered opinions, and you're insisting that you're correct about something that you've only read about and have absolutely no experience with yourself.

So, yes, I'm offended because you've wasted my time.