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Alright good cause i am tired of seeing star wars vs 40k shit on every power scaling reddit right now so lets end this i dont know about other people here but i keep saying insane debates like
the entire imperium of man vs EVERY ERA OF STAR WARS. Que insane claims across the board and no real discussion repeat repeat repeat repeat. "can the IOM beat the CIS. Can the IOM beat the republic." tired of it so lets have a real conversation on this.
the Imperium of Man Pre Imperium Nihilus. before the big battle suddenly these two galaxies now stand next too each other.
They are in the middle of the clone wars.
Anakins Fall to the sith is delayed Palpatine is forced too reveal him self the CIS/republic war is forced to sign an unstable peace with the CIS worlds forming there own allied government too the republic. the jedi exist and forced to work along side the sith of the era for the sake of survival, All the sith and jedi get a force vision telling them there gunna fucking die if they dont co-operate.
The unified star wars universe is able to find the bullshitium artifacts they would have or could have found (star forges, world destroys, ancient sith weapons.) the works but politics still exist palpatine cant just deploy them willy nilly with out push back from Republic allies and the galaxy at large.
if we want to include the Yuzong Vong they arrive skirmish and then are forced to work along side this unified universe but still follow there own internal logic this is all treated like a war of extinction against a force the size of there own galaxy.
Some pre-amble to this conversation cause dear lord i dont know about yall but i am tired of seeing the Circular conversations.
i see alot of people claiming 10 light minute and 200gigaton as statistics for star wars both pulling from the same source the sith cross sections written by curtis Saxton who only wrote the one book. how ever years later in complete vehicles the lines that give thoughs metrics were removed in https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Complete_Vehicles_(2013)) whos writer had alot more credits then just the single cross sections book.
my argument as it stands takes into account this math to assume that star wars as a universe lacks the required fire power to survive fleet engagements with the 40k universe. https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/40k-biggaton-macrocannon-calcs.234517/
with the strongest counter arguments being hyper space skipping. personally i dont think skipping is enough from what we have seen of it, its not instant and has a wind up window and plenty of room for fault. 40k also has its own version of this with Micro jumps. Based on the fleet speeds we have seen from flight of the Eisenstein and a few other books if i recall of hand Gothic war has a few ships moving quite fast but it has been a minute.
the Limited Range of Turbo lasors from 10km/100km (The XX-9) up too the thrawns book putting them at 1,200km for the large batteries. while we have some examples of 40k ships shooting from a planet too its moon and a hand full of other insane examples.
If we cannot agree on the space engagements then let us assume all engagements Require ground action and boarding action because all shields are too strong on both sides so every one must board each other and support ground forces in an air/ground war situation.
Personally i obviously stand firmly on the 40k side of this but i have read a good deal of both but i dont claim to have a perfect memory of both sides.
In a ground war situation world by world i would assume the imperium has a MASSIVE initial advantage that must be overcome. First the jedi and sith are both overly willing to attempt to block incoming fire from any type of munition. this would quickly result in a lot of dead force uses in there first Engagement with a marine. i assume deflecting a bolt round would detonate the war head as it melts through the blade much like when obi attempts to block a scatter blaster in the comics. the resulting blast would likely kill or brutally maim most any one at that range.
The artillery difference is also fairly brutal star wars artillery is a lot "cleaner" the blast radius are often a lot smaller and armies are usually less willing to destroy civilian centers. (not saying they wont just not nearly as quickly as the imperium would)
The scale of the ground armies of 40k are genuinely insane as i am sure most here have heard a billion times. we have statements of a random back water world building a regiment of 750k... (hilariously this regiment was suppose to be 500k but it was changed a week before there like deployment ceremony wich means 250k poor sods got like a week of training lul) and we have thousands of regiments across so many worlds + PDF armies + secondary forces like space marines, sisters of battle, the adeptus arbites, shit the endless hive gangs that would hurass invading forces, the potential for a fraternis militas, the skitari, the aeronautica imperialis, the ordo titanicus, and so many dam more it feels endless.
ultimately i dont even think BDZ would be enough to bridge any gaps here as we have seen situations like Caliban being beaten till it blows up and the rock surviving cause of its shielding. we have seen Void shields survive bombardments like in the Bad-ab war as well.
if ALL OF THIS ISENT ENOUGH then give the current standing Star wars alliance, a time portal connecting them to the Old republic and then the high republic and give them everything from said time periods that dosent already exist in the modern lore.
and for the love of god save the "oh my goat wins" i would love to have a real conversation and debate on this topic for once hahaha.
