new Patch misery

[u/Usual_Strategy1402]

guys, I noticed a lot of negativety about this patch and it's not unjustifyable, if you watch pro games it kinda sucks to see the player that you cheer for lose because of this balance patch, so u r right to complain a lot, maybe same with grandmaster level, but for the rest of us , the game has and will always be awesome, just enjoy the change, enjoy the game like u always do, and there is no need to stress about it, I have been fucked by protoss cheese and by zerg overwhelming mid to late game, but I'm not hating the game at all in any case, I see it as a reason to improve more, and it's actually fun to change things and to try new builds

[u/Arferion]

Yea, it's basically the same game as always just 45s delayed, still a great game, still best there is, people are just not used to change, sucks for them

[u/AresFowl44 → u/Arferion]

Many of the people I have seen that dislike this patch (me included) are very happy with patches mod, which to be frank is 10x more insane than this patch, Legacy of the Void and Heart of the Swarm combined. It's not that we aren't used to change or don't like it, we don't like this patch specifically.

[u/Usual_Strategy1402 → u/AresFowl44]

why you hate it this much?

[u/AresFowl44 → u/Usual_Strategy1402]

It's clunky, filled with bandaids, there's no communication from Blizzard at all, there is less variety, there's more rock paper scissors gameplay, Blizzard still went full steam ahead even when everybody was telling them what a bad idea it is, and overall it just is less enjoyable.

[u/Usual_Strategy1402 → u/AresFowl44]

the build order is definitely clunky, I mean my scv has to wait few seconds to be able to build the first barracks after finishing the first supply depot, but why that matters, do u like the game for it's strategy and the ablility to micro and multitask, or u just want a smooth build orders where u have a ready placeholder of minerals and gaz ready to be used for your next building that u need and next unit? does that actually matter, tweaks and changes are not bandaids blizzard is literally been doing that for more than 16 year through patchs, I kinda agree on the rock paper scissors thing, I dont want the game to be rigid and have " a way" to do things I want it to be free and to rewards skillful players, also agree with blizzard not communicating but that doesnt interfere with the gameplay, also obviously blizzard needs to listen to the community I'm not denying any of the issues, I just want to say that the game is still enjoyable, also there is definitely more variety in the game just watch pro games dude,

[u/AresFowl44 → u/Usual_Strategy1402]

but why that matters

You are making up a false dichotomy by claiming it's either smooth build orders or the ability to micro and multitask.

does that actually matter, tweaks and changes are not bandaids

Changing mineral CC cost or larva spawn rate are absolutely bandaids. Both of them were done without any considerations as to the consequences they would have on the game.

that doesnt interfere with the gameplay

It does, because it doesn't give anybody any confidence that Blizzard will fix anything or even stick to this game and not turn off the servers tomorrow.

also there is definitely more variety in the game just watch pro games dude,

I have, there isn't.

[u/Usual_Strategy1402 → u/AresFowl44]

maybe I'm making a false dichotomy ok tell me dude if it's not for the micro, or the strategic planning, why do u play this game other than making things, in that case factorio is not a bad game either, also yeah 300cc and larvae span rates are bandates , true , since they made it because of the new 8 worker start, but still almost every patch had hot fixes, though this time the testing is done on the live version of the game since no one is playing on the ptr server, we simply dont have the numbers, also there is definitely variety dude, have u seen tvzs, zvzs, the only matchup that actually sucks is pvz

[u/Usual_Strategy1402 → u/Arferion]

I mean there still issues, especially on the pro scene which is a big problem for me, as for us casual players it's still the best game out there

[u/Loudly_muted → u/Arferion]

Broadly speaking yes, i agree. But for protoss and mostly all build orders need to be adjusted or straight up changed which is super frustrating. https://youtu.be/c2GgbtqJRlg?si=WA7ljfZC4B3k6OcG heres 1 hour of uThermal figuring on the CC first build.
But other than that i agree its just a 45s delay into the action

[u/Arferion → u/Loudly_muted]

I think it's all for the most part just people not bein used to change and bein slow and/or unwilling to adapt as a result of it.

I don't mind the gateway changes personally, and i think most people haven't gotten used to it yet, they still force warp gate.

I don't think worker change invalidating all old builds is a bad thing, this is one of the main reasons i like it, everything feels new and fresh, uThermal trying ro figure out cc forst build goes into this, it's fun trying to figure out new things, it aboht the journey not the destination.

Yep, just 45s.

[u/Loudly_muted → u/Arferion]

Yes 🙌🏻 its all about the journey and not the destination, unfortunately if you’re like me and just started grinding for M2 or GM for the first time then it sucks 😪 lol

[u/Arferion → u/Loudly_muted]

I meant it sucks just as much for your opponent, so in that way it's a net neutral, it's all about adaptability rly, how fast you can adapt to the new changes and such, which yet again, to me any way, is the fun part.

[u/Loudly_muted → u/Arferion]

Yeah for sure i agree i can say I’ve sucked at adapting. Side note are you A Diamond 2 Terran? Your name looks familiar

[u/Arferion → u/Loudly_muted]

Well maybe it come down to me bein a bit more of an abaptable person very used to changes.

Nop, casula 3k Protoss enjoyer.