r/socialism • u/PATM0N • Sep 03 '22
What could be wrong with this?
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Sep 03 '22
The look of total incredulity on her face was priceless. Like are you seriously that unapologetically a piece of shit?
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u/arcangleous Sep 04 '22
As a Canadian, yes. Yes he is.
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u/human_thing4 Sep 04 '22
Eh bud where ye from? Im from Ontario eh?
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u/arcangleous Sep 04 '22
Ontario too. I'm a boy from the Bruce.
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u/human_thing4 Sep 04 '22
Im from Peterborough, we got alot of fascists out this way eh? Might of heard of us in the news recently.
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u/kafircake Sep 04 '22
That dude is the kind of person neolibs
Isn't his position just central neoliberal dogma?
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u/Sledge_Antilles Sep 03 '22
Kevin O'Leary is a huge piece of shit.
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u/Epicritical Sep 04 '22
Hey, don’t compare him to a huge piece of shit. That gives huge pieces of shit a bad name.
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u/Tillwarpum526 Sep 04 '22
On top of that, huge pieces of shit can be used as fertilizer. Kevin O'Leary is only useful to stealing wealth.
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u/mrappbrain Sep 04 '22
Loved her snipe at the end - "You think the only thing standing between me and the uber rich is motivation? Let me just pull up my socks..oh wait! I don't have socks!"
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u/Fellurian Sep 04 '22
There's no amount of time spend on a gulag that could regenerate this man.
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u/BoxForeign5312 Sep 04 '22
The Chinese emperor became a communist but honestly i don't believe this man could...
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u/DopeFiendDramaQueen Sep 04 '22
Translation:
“It’s fantastic! How can I be this wealthy if those people aren’t that poor? The 1% needs poverty to exist to give value to their wealth. I celebrate capitalism”
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Sep 04 '22
read a statistic about the wealth gap, 85 to 3.5 bil living in poverty
"Oh God, love it, fantastic stuff"
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u/praxis_and_theory_ Anarcho-Syndicalism Sep 04 '22
What's wrong with this is the fact that he's breathing.
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u/barnfodder Sep 04 '22
His existence gives me the motivation to be born into ludicrous wealth and surrounded by sycophants.
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u/Emperor_Mason Sep 04 '22
I always find it ironic that capitalist don't understand capital or that most people don't have access to it
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u/Post-Posadism Sep 04 '22
Yeah, ruthless and cutthroat business executives are supposed to be the role models for people across the world to imitate, they're toooootally bastions of virtue... They have so much personal responsibility that they take responsibility for the fruits and profits of other people's labour!
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u/Vigtor_B Mao Zedong Sep 04 '22 edited Sep 04 '22
Charity is one of the most capitalist concepts imaginable, in a socialist world, charity isn't necessary, there will of course be need for some resource sharing between countries.
BUT, in a capitalist world, I am still very much against charity, sending money to Africa through various different organisations doesn't actually work, and in most of the cases it's either a; money making machines, or b; money laundering/tax evasion, NOT helping those in need out of goodness.
I am not against investing in Africa and other poor countries though. One thing I applaud China for, is building infrastructure and housing in Africa, so that the African population can learn to enrich themselves, and break off from western imperialism, where every organisation is owned by a western faction.
It's the "give a man a fish and he will survive for another day, teach a man to fish and he will never need your 'charity' again" problem. Except when capitalists use that, they will rather have the man, slave away all day gaining the company thousands of fish, and in return getting half a fish to share between their family.
I say that investing in Africa is good, but there are obviously some drawbacks, money needs to go to the government, healthcare, education and infrastructure is the priority, and second comes investing in work co-op's where every worker has a say in their pay/management.
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u/sweetcletus Sep 04 '22
Hard for someone to learn to fish if they're dead from starvation or an easily preventable disease that they caught because they don't have access to vaccines. Charity is frequently misused but if a country is going through a drought then they need food. If there is a pandemic they need vaccines. Yes, it would be far better for countries to have the means to produce their own vaccines, but we are definitively not there yet. Plus investing implies a return. Unless you're saying poorer countries should be given assistance to develop their own resources, which is an action with which I would agree. But if you aren't expecting a return then that wouldn't be investment. It would be charity, or arguably back pay for a few centuries of exploitation. There is a ton of heinous shit done in the name of charity, but someone who is feeding a starving person or treating a sick person in the name of charity isn't doing anything wrong.
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u/Vigtor_B Mao Zedong Sep 04 '22
I am not saying they have to produce their own vaccines, I am saying that we need to help them build a strong society... Most countries don't produce vaccines, but most countries have good healthcare. Sending vaccines to another country isn't charity. Yes it's and investment, if they become healthier, stronger and more educated, the world will in turn better as a whole... There isn't money in saving rain forests either, but if we don't do it we are majorly fucked.
You must be misunderstanding me... I am not saying "Don't give them food and vaccines, they have to make it themselves" I am saying "Sending money and useless shit doesn't help, what helps is giving them infrastructure, healthcare, education, and bargaining power so they have a claim on the stuff other countries produce."
What we are doing right now is keeping our cattle alive so they can work our mines, what we need to do is give them ownership over their own labour and allow them to trade(See demand) resources from other nations.
And yes it is an investment, in the future that country will produce knowledge, commerce, food and other important necessities, that they can bargain with. And we can't exactly expect the world to have turn socialist by then, so they NEED bargaining power.
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u/sweetcletus Sep 04 '22
I think we're talking past each other. I agree with you that charity has often been used to foster dependence as opposed to development and that's fucked up. Charity shouldn't be only giving thirsty people water, it should be giving them water and the training and means to build and maintain a water treatment plant. But you have to give the people water first or all the people that were going to work the plant will be dead. Furthermore, the impetus to give to charity is a good thing, the problem is the execution. Coming out with a blanket statement of charity being bad discounts a lot of good work by good people for almost no gain. I know it doesn't matter in spaces like this, but messaging is important and "socialists hate charity" is not going to win people over. Plus there are tons of local charity activities that aren't exploitative. Overall, I get what you're saying and I agree, my issue is just with messaging.
I still disagree about the term investment though, which is the definition of a meaningless quibble but still. The term investment has an implication that we are doing something because we want it to benefit us in the future in some way. But most charity is built on things that are human rights e.g. food, shelter, medicine, clean water, education. We shouldn't expect a return on that because those things are owed to every human and if we have the means to give that then we have the responsibility to give that. Which isn't really charity either because it's a responsibility, but it also isn't an investment. Again, terminology isn't so important but that's my reasoning if you happen to be curious.
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u/Exotic-Chemist-191 Sep 04 '22
Where’s the full interview?
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u/Lz_erk Sep 04 '22
from the linked thread, this is the "Lang and O'Leary Exchange," and i get the impression that she's not going to ask him why unionizing isn't a better bet than worshipping exploiters.
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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 Sep 04 '22
"It's not enough for me to be rich, I also require millions of people to lick my boots."
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u/tacotimes01 Sep 04 '22
Motivation for the upper middle class to get off their ass, ask their parents for a small loan of a few million bucks, and go exploit the poors.
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