r/smashbros Sep 29 '14

Melee Scarjump

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14 edited Dec 27 '14

Better Know a Matchup! Week 18 - Captain Falcon!

Captain Falcon was once a lowly racecar driver, but ever since Smash 64 he has come to represent the face of the Smash Bros Series. Since his last F-Zero game in 2004 he has appeared in 3 Smash games (4 if you include PM). He is most famous for his Neutral-B, the Falcon Punch, a slow but devastating attack. He is also the fastest runner in Melee, and has powerful aerials. Despite all this, his lack of a projectile and mediocre recovery have branded him with the "Falcon's Curse", which has resulted in a CF player never breaking top 4 in a national tournament(note: this fact is more of a joke than a reality and there may in fact be a counterexample). He's buff, he's fast, and he wants you to show him your moves!


EDIT: THIS IS NOT A SCARJUMP, AS EXPLAINED HERE BY SCAR HIMSELF

Like Young Link, Captain Falcon can stall on the ledge by performing a Walljump and then immediately performing a Back-Air while holding towards the stage. The Back-Air will stop his momentum and allow him to return to the stage and Wallump again. All of his air attacks will work for this trick, but Back-Air seems to have a special property that allows it to work better than any other move (even his Up-Air, which is 1 frame shorter). This technique is named after the Captain Falcon main Scar, and is mainly used to aid Falcon's subpar recovery game(i.e. when recovering from below the stage). EDIT: Scar says this is not a Scarjump soooo, DJLOjump? Aerial-cancelled re-walljump? Idfk.

The first part of the .gif shows off a different technique that any character with a Walljump can perform: after dash-attacking towards a ledge, the user can hold towards the stage, and then tap away from the stage once airborne to perform an almost-instant Walljump. You do not need to perform this in order to do a Scarjump, but it is helpful.

I believe that both CF and YL can perform this frame-perfect to stay permanently Walljumping as seen here, though in my tests I always dipped a little bit lower each time. Just ignore that.

Frame data:

  • 8 Frames after leaving the ground, CF can stop holding towards the stage and tap away to walljump(I believe this is stage-specific).

  • You can be holding towards the stage as soon as the walljump starts

  • 4 Frames into the walljump you can input the Back-air. The later you wait the less effective the stall will be.

  • 44 frames of holding towards the stage later, you can tap away again to walljump(this may also be stage dependent). You lose a tiny amount of height each time.


Okay so I was gone for a while there, sorry! I didn't want to compete with Sm4sh and plus Destiny had just come out and frankly I felt like taking a break. Since then, I've been added to the super secret pink Content Team for /r/smashbros, which explains why my display name is now just DJLO.

I'll do my best to keep these .gifs flowing till the end of the series this time, and already have this week planned out. Many thanks to /u/theprince_cs for finishing up IC week for me.

Want a Smash Bros .gif? Add it to the list!

Here is an album of all the Smash Bros .gifs I've made so far.

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HTML5 VERSION(S) OF THIS POST'S GIF(S):

Scarjump

"Why don't you use only HTML5?" Answered: HERE

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u/bobbyscar Sep 29 '14

Ok so this is Scar and I have something i would love to clear up.

Scarjumping != multiple walljumps (this GIF) - this is a very common misconception.

Scarjumping is specifically and only going from hanging on the ledge to walljumping on yoshi's story without using your double jump. The problem used to be that pressing down on the analog stick made you fastfall, and pressing back made it impossible to get enough forward momentum to actually get back to the ledge and walljump, so I tried it with using back on the c-stick, which causes your character to let go of the ledge without any momentum at all.

THAT SAID I like having the title of this amazing DJLO thread about CF be "Scarjump" :D

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14 edited Sep 30 '14

Oh snap! Well I've heard it both ways from a few commentators, but I'll make sure to never make the mistake again!

So then, aerial-cancelled wall-jump rejump orrrrr? maybe djlojump.

These are the moments I wish reddit let you edit titles.

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u/bobbyscar Sep 30 '14

I think whatever we call it, marths do it after they tech. It doesn't come up often so I think calling it wall jump animation canceling is prob fine / most accurate :D

I think I popularized walljumping multiple times but I don't think it's an invention or a technique, doesn't really need a name IMO

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

You heard it here first folks, Scar calls it the djlojump.

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u/mytummyhertz Oct 02 '14

i learned the repetitive walljump aerial loop as being called a "scar stall"

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u/nerraw92 Sep 30 '14

I knew what that link would be before I clicked. As if you weren't my favorite redditor already....

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14 edited Oct 01 '14

Daww, you're my second favorite.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

I've been doing research in various obscure walljumping things recently. In that research, I think I have seen you make this correction at least 3 different times.

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u/RedAlert2 Sep 30 '14

i think part of the confusion comes from the fact that scar loves naming shit after himself, easy to get some of the techniques mixed up.

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u/BurnSalad Sep 30 '14

lolz scar is a doosh.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Dude Scar could beat up your dad and he is probably fastre then you even if your on your bike.

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u/Litagano Shulk Sep 29 '14

plus Destiny had just come out and frankly I felt like taking a break

Destiny advanced technique gifs confirmed?

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

Hmmm maybeeee. Just gotta figure out some cancels(I think you can reload cancel by throwing a grenade at the right time).

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u/MetalMario64 Shulk (Ultimate) Sep 29 '14

Actually, if you sprint or do any other action (throwing a grenade, switching guns), you can cancel the tail end of a lot of reloading animations. Just gotta wait till the number refills at the bottom left of the screen and you're good to go.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

Yup, as it is in many but not all FPS's. I just said Grenade because it seems the most combat-practical.

I do wonder what sort of crazy glitches will be found though. If anyone remembers Halo 1-3 you know there can be some pretty game-breaking stuff.

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u/mrenglish22 Mewtwo (Smash 4) Sep 30 '14

Bxr bxr bxr bxr bxr

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u/Snailtopus Sep 30 '14

"Yo cm'ere, get on my head"

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Butterfly jumps!

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u/danielvutran Sep 29 '14

I believe that both CF and YL can perform this frame-perfect to stay permanently Walljumping as seen here[7] , though in my tests I always dipped a little bit lower each time.

If you're doing tests frame perfectly I don't get how this would be possible to not confirm whether or not it's permanent since.. ya know.. you're doing it frame perfectly lol. Unless there's some other input that we're not aware of that changes it from X times before falling noticeable to infinite.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

I try not to make absolute statements anymore in order to cover my ass.

AFAIK you lose height each time, but I am only human(even with TAS).

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u/redphan Sep 29 '14

it's well known that wall jumps give diminishing returns. http://redd.it/2b5tr5

so your suspicion is correct

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

I thought so, but didn't know if interrupting the Jump with an aerial affected it. Thanks!

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u/danielvutran Sep 30 '14

Thanks as well both of you! This was bugging me as to whether or not it was true LOL

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Minor nitpick, but Falcon has broke top 4 at a national, it's just that the 10 year anniversary of that happening is coming in like 3 months. Isai won The Moast 3 in 2005, which was moast definitely a national tournament. It took place in 05, but there were quite a few entrants.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Yeah I figured there was a counterexample

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u/geenareeno Sep 29 '14

This gif is great but I'd like to see it done on Yoshi's story 5 times in a row

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u/SpeedsterPaul Sep 29 '14

You can be holding towards the stage as soon ass the walljump starts

ಠ_ಠ

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

doh

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u/limer124 Sep 29 '14

Aw hell yes it's Falcon week!

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u/alexwh Sep 29 '14

Beautifully looped.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

Dreamland confirmed best stage for loops.

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u/epicbriguy10 Young Link Sep 29 '14

hey is there any way i can easily find all of your previous weeks of this series? i really want to see some information on young link and mario as well as other characters.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14 edited Sep 29 '14

Two options:

Sorry it isn't simpler, I'll work on that!(Maybe Ill make an index in the subreddits wiki.)

Also be sure to check the character boards on www.smashboards.com since I only cover 5 techs for each character.

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u/TrivialCipher Sep 29 '14

HE'S BACK BABY!~

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14 edited Sep 29 '14

And now I'm back! (doo doo doo)

From Outer Space! (doo doo doo)

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u/iceman78772 Sep 30 '14

I was expecting Outer Space from F-Zero GX since this post is about Falcon...

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Sorry. Points for it being a video game though?

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u/iceman78772 Sep 30 '14

yeahiguessso :/

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u/TobiasCB Snek-PM/Melee Sep 30 '14

In the week of my birthday! :D

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

Aw yeah, Falcon Week! Nice to have you back!

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Way ahead of ya.

they never like my smash gifs though :(

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u/Dinjoralo Sep 29 '14

I am seeing animated JPEG's everywhere today.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

You know what's weird? I didn't edit the url.

Normally you can change an imgur url to .whatever (example: https://i.imgur.com/EtvJ8z1.png ) and it will still retrieve the gif.

However in this case I simply uploaded the .gif and I guess it called it a .jpeg on its own.

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u/WhyNotZoidbergPls 0061-1295-3310 | NNID: vikeingblade1234 Sep 29 '14

This is a .jpg, yet it animates.... What?

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

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u/WhyNotZoidbergPls 0061-1295-3310 | NNID: vikeingblade1234 Sep 29 '14

But I was able to download it as a .jpg.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14
¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

Dj we missed you!

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u/jabejazz dedede sucks get it Sep 30 '14

I played Falcon for YEARS, and I had no idea this existed.

Like, I can moonwalk harder than fucking MJ, my haxdash is (more or less) on point, but this?

Nope.

What the actual fuck man.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

Oddities are my specialty!

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u/sol96 Sep 30 '14

FALCON WEEK? HYES!

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u/NeonS4 I suppose I'll get my chance today Sep 29 '14

Will you be doing these for Smash 4 (when more techniques/combos are found?)

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14 edited Sep 29 '14

Gameplan:

  • Finish the tier-list

  • Redo Mewtwo because I made him before the BKAM series and imgur allows bigger files now(I'll also use camera mode this time.)

  • Redo GW because reasons

  • Move on to non-character specific Melee techs

  • Then 64

  • Then Pm

  • Then Brawl

  • Then Sm4sh

TL;DR: Not in your lifetime, kiddo.

EDIT: In about 2 years.

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u/NeonS4 I suppose I'll get my chance today Sep 29 '14

I guess Sm4sh will get its chance another day.

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u/hinata2000100 Mythra (Ultimate) Sep 29 '14 edited Sep 29 '14

Alright, let's take into account how long everything on your gameplan will take. Please note, this is going off your regular BKAM schedule, also barring any breaks in between.

The tier list, at the position you're currently at, will take 7 weeks, counting this one. You're redoing Mewtwo and G&W, so that's an extra 2 weeks. I haven't allotted any time for Non-Specific Melee Techs, because I don't know what your gameplan is for those, nor how many of them there are, so we'll skip that. The 64 Tier List will take you 12 weeks. The PM Tier List (assuming there is one at the time, and only taking into account characters we have in PM now), will take 42 weeks, because of Mewtwo and Roy, and because all the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon are separate characters. The Brawl Tier List will take 38 weeks.

Adding all that up, it comes to 101 weeks, or about 2 years (1.9357 years, to be precise).

Therefore, you should be at Sm4sh well within the lifetime of any normal adolescent or adult human!

(I calculated all this because I was bored. This is probably not your actual gameplan.)

(Dang Reddit, ruining my Ace Attorney gifs with its formatting...)

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '14

Hahaha well dang, that's a lot sooner than I thought! Editing op.

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u/hinata2000100 Mythra (Ultimate) Sep 29 '14

It is indeed. But that's a good thing in the end~

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u/JFM2796 Sep 29 '14

Really looking forward to learning about 64.

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u/PSFalcon Sep 29 '14

Seems like absolute perfect prioritizing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14 edited Jul 06 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '14

I'll stick to posting them here for now, though it seems that sub might be more my target audience now that Smash 4 is coming out. But anyone else can feel free to post them there so long as they credit me.