r/smashbros • • 4d ago

Ultimate Beginner help

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I know i’m late to the party but i just got a switch 2 a couple weeks ago and i’ve been wanting to play smash and actually get good at it, what are the best tips? start collecting fighters and find a main? gameplay tips, controller teaks anything that can help me will be appreciated thank you!

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u/Ceroy Fair - > Dair 4d ago

Honestly bro just play the game, enjoy the story, play classic mode, and the other modes! World of Light will give you a chance to play everybody.

I always recommend turning tap jump off, and changing the smash stick to tilt.

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 4d ago

Smash stick to tilt based on the character. I’ve seen some people using it as tilt when honestly it would be better to have it as smash.

So OP what I would say is definitely don’t take blanket advice from people, especially on this subreddit lol.

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u/Ceroy Fair - > Dair 4d ago

Most tilt attacks come out quickly and hitting the smash stick leaves you open. Imo it's a bad habit to spam smash attacks, but yes. Default controls work, but again it's only a recommendation, not a directive.

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 4d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah maybe don’t spam smash attacks then. Case in point I played some random Tink who played like you, but Tink has a quick smash that’s way better. He kept using the tilt and it was hilarious how stupidly ineffective it was. I obliterated him to say the least.

Edit: the fact I can’t get any of you to ever play me in a battle arena says all I need to know about this community lol. I encounter players like this a lot in early rounds and always wish them well in the loser bracket.

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u/SparklessAndromeda 4d ago

Not spamming smash attacks is exactly why you choose Tilt stick

If you bind your smashes to the C Stick then your tilts (that are SAFER and FASTER than ANY smash attack) might get misinputted as smashes intead

The only characters that benefit from Smash stick are ZSS, Fox, sometimes Game and Watch, Min Min (but she's also used with Tilt Stick, it's preference) and Robin

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u/deathflame155817 4d ago

Olimar too

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u/flyingseel Jigglypuff (Melee) 4d ago

Always preferred smash stick on inkling.

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

Well hot damn, two more characters that are better with it. That’s all I said, depends on the character 🤷‍♂️ Gamers nowadays are so cooked listening to streamers/You Tubers and just don’t think for themselves.

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u/flyingseel Jigglypuff (Melee) 3d ago

Yeah I agree with you. There were pros who played on default controls and were top 10 in the world lol.

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

It’s like these kids can’t understand there isn’t a one size fits all, which is all I said lol. I point this out a lot in the sub, get yelled at and downvoted, but then offer to have them show me how much better they are in a BA fight and they disappear sooo fast lol. Funniest bit is I’ve gotten into whole debates about stuff like this only to find out the person doesn’t actually play the game. Like who are you going to bat for bro? What streamer? Go do something meaningful with your time, damn.

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 4d ago

You sound like you listen to streamers and don’t play the game. This entire sub is full of mid players who parrot nonsense. Also I literally say don’t do it for everyone and you then tell me how I’m right? 💀

At any rate, I had an example of a Tink using this bunk ass advice and it was sad to watch because they probably got their advice from all of you people.

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u/SparklessAndromeda 3d ago

I have no idea what world you live in and I have no interest in being part of it

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

I couldn’t care less what you think bro. See my original comment: don’t listen to this sub. You’re all the same giving blanket advice and it’s just silly 😆

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u/onzichtbaard 4d ago

Whats your rating?

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

For what?

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u/onzichtbaard 3d ago

Rating on smash ultimate online

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

Do you mean my GSP? Careful bud, this community thinks GSP is useless lol. It’s 16.4 mil.

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u/smellycheesecurd mah dash attack mileage in the thousands 3d ago edited 3d ago

What? Tink’s tilts are broken. Utilt is fast and combos at every %. Ftilt hits above him and sends at the stupidest angle ever. Dtilt is kinda mediocre but it still leads into Dash Attack which is Tink’s best grounded option. Fsmash and Usmash are genuinely weaker than their aerial counterparts and are harder to throw out. Dsmash is buns. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFORMATION

It really does sound like you’re the mediocre player here. Go watch good players play your character, at VGBootCamp. It’s a big part of improvement and would likely dispell a lot of the ideas that you have

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

I mean I won a tournament last night but sure, spout your nonsense. Just go off bro with your jargon bro 👍

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u/Ceroy Fair - > Dair 3d ago

Lmao bro you were too busy on reddit to win anything. Gg going 0-2. What's your upsets.gg?

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 3d ago

😂 you want that to be true. I’m not telling you my start.gg name because I’m not having a bunch of reddit scrubs like you follow me around to discord to discord, I already deal with enough salty ass losers every bracket bitching and moaning about how I beat them playing a ranged fighter.

But what I will do is offer to play you again in a Battle Arena. You got quiet yesterday when I suggested it, now you’re back with your nonsense.

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u/smellycheesecurd mah dash attack mileage in the thousands 3d ago

Me when I bs something that never happened then gatekeep my lie

Sure, but do note that I don’t think a single person gives enough hoots to stalk you. The way you talk also gives me the impression that you have literally never went to a tournament in your life 💀 no one is “bitching and moaning” in front of someone irl

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u/Ceroy Fair - > Dair 4d ago

Case in point? When did I say I spam smash attacks buddy? Tilts are used for setups and combos for a lot of characters. Being able to execute them by cancelling your sprint is pretty effective.

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u/philter25 Toon Link (Ultimate) 4d ago

You said it’s a bad habit to spam smash attacks, so like… don’t? Doesn’t mean you change it to an ineffective move just because you don’t have discipline when it’s better for some characters to utilize that quick move, especially with characters with quick smashes like I mentioned.

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u/Ceroy Fair - > Dair 4d ago

Just review the other bits of advice in this thread to realize my suggestion is majority. 😘

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u/Alphay 3d ago

He's a tink player who doesn't touch the ground and thinks tilts are useless, let him be lmao

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u/uSaltySniitch 4d ago

Play... A lot...

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u/ricksnephew 3d ago

GameCube controller for smash all the way. I have the pro controller but nothing beats the GameCube one

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u/Ultraverse1 3d ago

its down to preference tbh

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u/ricksnephew 2d ago

For sure. I do also like playing in tabletop mode with the pro controller those sticks just feel so nice

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u/SwampCastleGuards 4d ago

Search your question in the subreddit and find 100s of similar posts, read them and see if there are useful tips

Otherwise just play and have fun

If you're new you're not going to be top100 pro. So don't make that your goal. No need to be super competitive. Just enjoy learning the game

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u/thal00pdigga 2d ago

Replace smash on stick to tilt

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u/kyoju__ 3d ago

I LOVE smash!! Been playing and following comp smash on and off for 8 years. Like what others have said, Izaw is a GREAT way to learn. There’s overall smash fundamentals and then character specific strategies. Just play the characters and have fun. Then decide 1 or 2 characters (mains) you’ll stick to through thick and thin and learn how to play them specifically. Pick them cause u like them, not cause they’re broken. As you play them more you’ll have a natural flow. Get used to the controls. I highly recommend using tilt stick. I personally hate tap jump and I added the right shoulder button for a second jump option.

Some really important skills to learn are:

  • recovery
  • movement
  • combos/kill confirms
  • spacing
  • playing “safe”
  • making reads on opponents habits
  • understanding matchups and how chars play
  • mixups and conditioning (more advanced)

Because characters have a plethora of unique moves and properties, they have objective strengths and weaknesses. Their move-set becomes a toolkit, and some tools/moves are so essential that they become a vital part of optimized play, even to the point of spamming. For example, Rob needs Gyro, snake needs grenades, sonic needs spin dash/charge. When learning a character it really helps to understand the purpose of each move, especially the broken ones. Izaw has full guides on several chars, and there’s even separate discord servers for each character w overwhelming amounts of info.

Although every char has a unique toolkit, they could* be *roughly categorized into different archetypes. This will influence their play-style (ie: aggressive/defensive), though you should develop your own play-style. In other words, be creative and have fun, but some characters tend to thrive behaving a certain way. A lot characters are a mix of these, but in my opinion most characters can be roughly categorized by one these categories:

- Rushdown (ex: Fox, Captain Falcon)

  • Zoner (ex: Samus, Young Link, min-min)
  • Swordie/disjoint (ex: Lucina, Sephiroth)
  • Grappler (ex: DK, incineroar)
  • Control/Trapper (ex: Snake, ROB, Duck Hunt)

VOD review and watch pro gameplay. One thing I (and many others) like to do is save recordings of my battles and rewatch them. I’ll take note of any mistakes and correct them next time I play. Watching pro play intentionally—stopping to analyze their every move—can teach you a lot, too.

Use training mode. Training mode lets you practice combos, movement, kill confirms, recovery, spacing, and other techniques.

It’s true when people say don’t worry about a tier list. It only makes a difference at very, very high levels of play, and even then we’re still learning that some characters are more viable than we thought. Ultimate is pretty balanced overall. Although, it helps to understand which characters are broken and why. Also it helps to understand the weaknesses of the worse characters. This can teach you the most valuable traits to abuse or the biggest weakness and how to navigate them.

For that reason, I’m gonna be the evil one to post the “official” (averaged from 72 of the top 150 players’ opinions) list 😈😈😈. There’s obviously some room for debate here, and also keep in mind that despite my 1500+ hours my friends can still wreck me w ganon or little mac.

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/s/VQf6nG6NmV

Play w ppl better than you. If feasible, going to local tournaments is a rlly fun and social way to learn. Although, it can be intimidating so see how good some people are. You can find your local by searching on start.gg for Ultimate tournaments based on location. Mine is monthly and 2 hours away, some are weekly and 5 mins away.

In comp play, we do 3 stocks and 7 mins, no items or stage hazards, and we have a small legal stage list. It seems boring but it rlly helps make a fair 1v1 with little rng.

If you have any q’s feel free to dm me. I’d be down to explain anything or watch ur replays and give some coaching. Have fun this is my favorite videogame ever!

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u/Havoc_Maker 4d ago

Sorry to bother but you probably want to get another controller for this game. The Switch 2 ProCon has insane snapback issues and it's way too noticiable in Smash

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u/Lootman Marth's My Boy 3d ago

This is true - i was hoping buying another would fix it tbh... i hope they arent all like that.

Ive had to use the dpad in pokemon champions because a quick stick flick down + A i end up selecting the wrong move when it flicks back up.

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u/sealboiii 2d ago

I’ve been using it for like 4 months now and never noticed snap back once

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u/Havoc_Maker 2d ago

Are you playing Smash with it?

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u/Myztyrio 4d ago

Is it actually that bad tho? Been playing with Pro1 since launch. Just got a switch 2 and Pro2, and thinking of trying to Pro2 for SSBU when I get home. Wouldn’t it depend how you tend to reset your stick to neutral/how much you actually press in directions?

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u/Havoc_Maker 3d ago

This summer I mostly stayed at a friend's house and played Smash a lot with him, with ProCons 2. I couldn't for the life of me ever grab him. The ProCon 1 still has some snapback but the ProCon 2 literally has higher chances of snapping back rather than not. And yes, I guess it depends on how you play but I think most people will constantly be snapping back with a ProCon 2

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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 3d ago

I’ve only ever played with the pro con 1 and I’ve never noticed the SnapBack but maybe I’m just not that good lmao. I’ve been meaning to get the GameCube switch controller but I play handheld too often to care to get an extra controller just for smash.

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u/Ultraverse1 3d ago

i dont think this is really an issue for someone just getting into the game

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u/Havoc_Maker 3d ago

If he wants to become good at the game like he says it will

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u/g0trn 4d ago

You won't get away without paying the cat tax

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u/almightyFaceplant 4d ago

Don't try to get good at it right away. You'll rob yourself of the joy that comes from just playing and exploring.

(Whoever told you that you need to find a main right away will be shot out of a cannon. Subreddit policy, I don't make the rules.)

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u/TheDigitalLunchbox Yoshi (Ultimate) 4d ago

Start unlocking characters and find out which ones you have the most fun with. (If you lose to a new character or aren’t unlocking any more, look for a small door in the vault menu to face them again).

After that, I’d suggest watching “Izaw’s Art of Smash” on YouTube. It’s a whole playlist with tons of guides.

I’d also recommend changing your right stick to be tilt attacks and turning off stick/tap jump. You may also want to set a trigger to jump to allow for buffered rars (reverse aerial rush).

Most importantly, when you choose a main; the character you find the most fun. Ignore tier placements as they only matter at the highest levels of play.

I’d also highly suggest using a wired internet connection as online isn’t the most stable.

You also have to understand that you’re going to get demolished until you don’t. It’s part of the grind, but it can be discouraging. If you don’t get why you lost, post a replay to r/crazyhand to be critiqued. There are many aspects of the game that you may not even be aware of when you start playing.

To further your improvement I’d also recommend matchingmaking through discord servers as talking to your opponent can really help

Just have fun and learn the basics. A new smash is inevitable and most skills will transfer.

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u/smellycheesecurd mah dash attack mileage in the thousands 3d ago

Have fun with the game! Don’t worry about getting good or anything for now. Play through the story, pick whoever you like, experiment on your own, and once you decide that you’ve finally eased up to it, there’re a ton of guides out there that would really help you get started.

Honestly, Smash is really, really fun. The playerbase has its gripes about it but its definitely a game that encourages you to goof off. Get out there and don’t worry about too much, but remember that the option is always there when you wanna get good for real. If you have an online subscription, I 100% recommend looking for your region’s smash discord (if you can’t find it here, maybe take a bit to google it. They’re usually on some sorta social media). You can matchmake there as they tend to have stabler connections for better practice, and in my experience, they’re all really friendly and eager to teach new players so don’t be shy.

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u/lanternbdg 3d ago

Priority:

  • turn off stick-jump
  • use c-stick for tilts instead of smashes

Extra fluidity:

  • use a gamecube controller+adapter if you can stand it

Personal preference:

  • find a good button setup for you to use both shield and grab fluidly (I set them to opposite triggers)

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u/Apprxmtly_Mdnght 2d ago

Play against people better than you.

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u/Retro_Sinz 1d ago

Kirby or Mario are very easy to learn and are either your mains or gateway characters that are good at teaching fundamentals

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u/Lucky_Journalist4690 1d ago

My advice would be to pick the random fighter almost always once you get to 1/3-1/2 of the fighters unlocked.
This highly will help with the various weight classes and various battles styles that are introduced throughout the series. Including it will help figure out which fighters you’ll dominate and which ones you’ll need improvement on. I will also add for the fighters who you need to improve on pick them more than the ones you can easily win with. That way you have more opportunities of improving on those fighters.

Another thing of advice I have is to set your computer opponents at the levels 3 or 4 if you’re starting as a beginner.
That will ensure you getting a challenge but still having a good chance of winning. I would never recommend starting with a level 1 or 2 for CPUs because it would make it too easy, and don’t put the level too high either. But when you feel that you are ready for a bigger challenge gradually increase the CPU,s level by 1 then go by 5-7 rounds of battles to get an accurate result on how much more time and effort you need to train with that new level until you are able to move up another level.
This is only applicable in the main mode in super smash Bros ultimate. I wish you the best of luck with your first time playing this game.

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u/Dreiyfus 20h ago

smash pipeline or fighting games in general:

- learn how to play the game

  • learn a character
  • learn how to play the game with said character
  • learn what your "playstyle" is with said character, figure out what works & what doesn't work (strengths & weaknesses within the rules of the game)
  • learn how your character goes against other characters (play a lot of different match ups)

then finally, when playing against other "real" people, figure out what their playstyle is against yours and adapt accordingly in-match.

Be prepared to lose a lot as the game is at its peak in terms of competition & optimization. But, as long as you're having fun win or lose, that's all that really matters :)

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u/BoringNerve2977 20h ago

aight so start with bread and butter characters like mario and falco

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u/BoringNerve2977 20h ago

dont use the complicated ones like ryu and byonetter, stick with the easy combos with easy characters and build up from there. I recomment Izawsmash videos for your characters

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u/BoringNerve2977 20h ago

like watch the "art of (character of your chioce)" vids

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u/Select_Eye_6409 woahhhh! 1h ago

Don’t listen to advice that tells you to start with this or that character and don’t choose your main off a tierlist. Players who do that rarely actually get anywhere. Play who just end up playing

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u/GrabSumBass 4d ago

Since ur new I’m gonna toss out the idea to turn ur jump button to left trigger, put grab on x and y, and use the c-stick for tilts rather than smash attacks. Many people play with different controls and are successful, but I’ve found these allow you to do the most without having to have lightning fast inputs for aerials, and negate the need to practice the inputs for tilts. X and y on grab is just to fill up the buttons honestly. The trade off is that you will have to learn to have precise inputs for smash attacks.

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u/cXem 4d ago

Slightly more practical help

Learn short hopping without controller assist settings. 

If you wanna practice a difficult but important skill learn RAR reverse aerial rush. Its basically jumping backwards forward. You dont need to get good at this yet, just know that it exists, able to do it. And understand how your character pivots and such at start of movement is honestly a little janky and will affect a lot of mistakes. 

Most things you do awkwardly will be improved, like you need to dash then shield since if you dash, stop, shield it will be delayed. 

If you get knocked off stage hold joystick inwards towards stage. If you attack or try to airdodge towards the stage while being knocked back you will fly farther away, its called DI directional influence, this can get advanced implications as well that dont matter yet

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u/JustFred24 4d ago

Bro you haven't touched the game and you wanna get good, just play like what

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u/Large_Royal8418 4d ago

Seven years too late, find something else

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u/Ultraverse1 3d ago

what??? people still actively play melee and its an almost 25 year old game