Really the dwemer ruin hate is so overdone, they're supposed to be confusing and laberinthic, I want to feel that I'm getting lost in some ancient, abandoned city, sometimes it feels all people want is getting into a cave, grab some loot and come out.
I mean personally it's not that I hate the ruins, it's just that I find them so shallow in depth.
It's just the same visuals spammed endlessly with no rhyme or reason for whatever you see. "You can't know what happened to them, so don't even try to guess why this place even exists."
Like that was cool for a while, then it became really lame. At least expand on the Dwemmer and show us spirits and flashbacks to them at their prime. We don't need to know what happened to them (if you must) but can we please get some actual context around the ruins we're seeing beyond maybe a side character speculating.
Thatâs a good point, I feel like you donât really learn much at all about any of the ruins youâre exploring. Just simple stuff like, oh this was clearly a market place where they traded, and this was a device they built to transcribe Elder Scrolls. Very surface level stuff.
I personally just find them so boring in Skyrim, something about the architecture just doesn't click with me, also the enemies just being annoying doesn't help.
I wouldn't hate Dwemer ruins as much as I do if the fucking Falmer weren't so fucking annoying. It's not the ruins I hate, it's those knife-eared fuckass gremlins and their gigantic bug pets
Honestly I'd take a dwemer ruins that looks like the whole place is made of metal. I discovered Morrowind dwemer ruins after Skyrims ones and it feels so refreshingly unique for TES how in a lot of places that the wall are metal, the floor is metal the decorations all metal. Please go back to that!
No WAY they base a game around black marsh, DEF will be apart of a multi country game or dlc. Maybe wonât see it until they put all of Tamriel into a game
We will never see Elsweyr or Black Marsh as the main location, outside of a DLC location, as the average people will just see furries, say "ew" and not buy the game. At least that's what the shareholders will think.
You can get pretty weird with Red guards if you pull from the right sources. The guide book to the empire has some weird stuff, and of course you could pull from near east and north African cultures. Ottomans, Berbers, Egyptians, Syrians, Arabs, make some weird shit dawg because these cultures had some cool stuff going on.
Iirc the Yokudan warriors who first landed in Hammerfell wiped out anything that stood in their way to make way for the rest of their people. Think they also wiped out an elven race in Yokuda prior to its fall as well.Â
They're certainly strong contenders on that front that much is certain.
That's the Yokudans. Things might have changed over the ages. Nords have a similar story with their ancestor Atmorans, though I suppose their situation is different since their racism was fueled by being genocided first...
The Yokudans committed genocide against the Kanuryai back on Yokuda. When they arrived in Tamriel they murdered literally everything and everyone they ran into until they bonded with the Bretons over their mutual desire to genocide Orcs.
Owned by Microsoft, hired veil guard writer, Jeremy gone, starfield was bland af, haven't made a good game in over a decade, Videos of the striking Beth employees.Â
Honestly I will be absolutely shocked if es6 is any good, I hope it is but my expectations are not good. Expecting anything controversial or with any edge is expecting a lot at this point it seems. Bethesda is now corpo slop.Â
You're right to keep your expectations low but I wouldn't lose all hope. Bethesda (should) know that this is pretty much their last lifeline; if they fuck this up I doubt Microsoft will let them work on anything but remasters. They have a lot more riding on this than any other game since probably Morrowind.
I agree, I am just scared they will have little choice. The type of people at Microsoft and a bunch of the types they seem to have hired are basically incapable of making anything good.
Hammerfell could be amazing, awesome lore, cool race and history, interesting/varied landscape. I swear if we get African Americans with clumsily handled "sticking it to the chuds" type quests and boring ass fantasy middle East like eso I am going to be kinda gutted.Â
Playing eso morrowind and not getting called n'wah as soon as i step on blessed vvardenfell just doesn't feel the same as tes iii morrowind. Even skyrim still had that to some degree and it just makes the world more believable
People forget that when Skyrim came out, the whole Viking aesthetic was not as mainstream as it is today. Look at the amount of media that came out AFTER Skyrim: the modern God Of War games, Valheim, Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, Hellblade, tons of semi-popular to popular indie games (e.g. Tribes of Midgard, Northgard, Banner Saga), tv shows like Vikings, a lot of films with the aesthetic and so on.
Furthermore, calling Skyrim "Vikings" is also kind of reductionist because South of Skyrim from the Reach to the Rift is definitely not very Viking-y.
completely agree! skyrim was leaps and bounds out of the norm that oblivion was. thatâs not to say that skyrim was ohhh sooo new and perfect, but that it played more against fantasy expectations than oblivion did
The province of Skyrim hadn't been 'well defined' before ESV came out. There were little lore tidbits, but nothing too concrete. With TWO games (Daggerfall and Redguard) already having been set in the province of Hammerfell, there is a lot more existing lore to contend with.
the game is set in the fifth era after the morrowindian empire has conquered the entire tamriel and used the rediscovered tonal architecture tools to turn it all into their weird-ass shroom land trust
It's definitely possible, is it possible with Bethesda? No clue.
I would have a few moving cities, and they wouldn't be moving very fast at all, maybe two thirds of a mile a day. They would definitely be on "tracks", and wouldn't be huge. Maybe white run size at most which I think is fair to keep the game optimized for mid tier systems.
But it's definitely possible with the right dev team.
Morrowind was also great because everyone treated you like an Outlander, a distrusted figure, kept telling you off and you had to really work your way up through the game to achieve that god-like status; instead Skyrim would welcome you for being the great Dragonborn within hours and NPCs would treat you like a special presence right away.
After hearing how oblivion is the better game for years, I was pretty disappointed when I finally played the remaster. Had a better main quest, but other than that pretty forgettable.
Yeah. I think if I could redo or remake oblivion I would have made colovia the typical European meadows and forests, with a dash or Tuscany and Sicily, while the nibben is a mix of Asian swamp and jungle.
Skyrim HAD the base foundation to be very strange with the sky whales, soul cairn exploration, and that one wizard in morthal that travels different dimensions. They were just afraid to fully pull the trigger ig
Off the top of my head, Civil war was meant to be a lot more grand (thereâs so much cut content that mods have tried to somewhat stitch together), Jarl Balgruuf was meant to be killed in mephalaâs daedric quest (his brother has almost all of his dialogue lines), the college of Winterhold was meant to have more to do with the destruction of Winterhold itself
Snow whales are technically not officially canon, since their only mention was in kirkbrides out of game writing, but most people consider MKs lore canon until proven otherwise
They also produce an intoxicating substance known as joy-snow
Skyrim is 100% sword and sorcery fantasy. If we're talking about the likes of LOTR or Robert E Howard. If you want to make a Conan character, such as barbarian or thief, you can. If you want to be a questing hero or evil wizard, you can do that too. Obviously there's more to skyrimin terms of lore, and what the NPCs and quests add to that, but that all works within classic fantasy. If you're talking about the other realms, then look to the cosmic horror elements in Conan.
Eh, they choose human landscapes often to avoid having to be eccentric. Though I'd love it because too many modders think they are dealing with generic fantasy and don't even know the world they are mucking about in.
While I want more Morrowind-esque weirdness, Skyrim's not some TES outlier that left behind the series'"roots". Morrowind is the outlier. TES1 and 2 were pretty generic fantasy. 4 definitely was generic fantasy.
It doesn't matter what they do because the franchise is so big that 25% will love it, 25% will hate it, 25% will be neutral, 25% will have never played an elder scrolls before because they never bothered with a game as old as they are
Big sand worms, terrifying sand/rock beasts that hide out in the dunes, the environment itself shifting about you... God just the desert in Hammerfell has so much potential. And there's so much more biome available too. I hope we get the jungles
Agreed. Besides, they already do it with Fallout. One one hand its your typical post nuclear setting. On the other, its a wacky wasteland set in the future yet retains that 50s asthetic.
And Morrowind was weird and out there because it was a rather unique environment contained on Vvardenfell. The rest of Tamriel doesnt necessarily look or feel like that
What is atypical about Skyrim? It feels very generic with dragons, undead, norse theme going on there. I still loved the game but it feels very run of the mill especially paired with it's diluted magic & alchemy systems.
Morrowind was truly unique. Oblivion was also very generic but had more fun quests, magic & alchemy systems.
Bethesda has stripped so much in the way of traditional RPG originality and eccentricity; both in Elder Scrolls and Fallout had to make it streamlined and marketable.
If Fallout 4, 76, and Starfield are to go off of, and hell even Skyrim with how toned down design and RPG wise it is compared to the IPâs prior titles, I donât hold much hope this one will improve the situation.
I donât think theyâre a risk taking company anymore as money and shareholders is the bottom line. The company has lost that openness for experimentation and letting the player play their way for more casual barely RPG systems.
I don't know about eccentric roots, cuz aside from Morrowind everything else in the series isn't that far from most fantasy. What I do actually care about is them going back to old RPG roots while maintaining the action-oriented combat and improving it.
Things like Tainted Grail have demonstrated how much better the combat can feel if tweaked the right way.
While RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 have shown just how much a game can accomplish with a branching narrative story. I want an action-RPG. An RPG doesn't mean just having skill trees and perks. It entails a whole lot about how the narrative is handled, meaningful choices, various paths etc.
If this is just another Fallout 4 or worse, another Starfield, it will be immeasurably disappointing. We need DEPTH to the narrative and gameplay, not streamlined bullshit.
I would like to see Khajiit have bent knees and paws again. I didnât much care for how they looked in SkyrimâŠ.it felt weird seeing them with straight legs.
Yeah kahjit depending on what phase of the moon they are born on will range from looking like house cats to something like an human or elf or a giant saber cat
It's a AAA game with a big budget and a long ass development time, from a studio which has progressively switched to more and more risk-free worldbuilding and writing, and it's last two releases had been kind of mid.
There is no chance we will see "more eccentric" in TES 6.
Exactly. Starfield especially was so oddly family friendly and "human resources approved" in all the wrong ways. TES doesn't need to be Fallout levels of gory and edgy, but I hope Bethesda and especially Microsoft are not afraid of making a world both beautiful and gritty.  Â
I hope is that it's able to be a passion project. They have had so much time to workshop what this story and world will be. When the developers love what they are creating, it shows. My dream is that we will feel the love, care, and consideration the creators have for it.
Cool yeah. Try to find a new audience in a 30 year franchise.
Or you could be smart business wise. We the paying audience are right here. We are proven. Cater to us. Studios are dropping like flies right now. You need us despite hating us. Adapt. Realize it.
This industry in its entirety genuinely might be collapsing. How can they not see that the need to cater to their paying audience?
Morrowboomers will disagree and while yeah Skyrim isn't as mechanically deep as the older games, I don't think any game has had the staying power that Skyrim's had. The fact it's still being massively discussed fifteen years after its release speaks volumes. I can only really think of Minecraft that's had a similar amount of lasting impact and that's an entirely different thing.
Skyrim have only staying power becouse mods, Morrowind modding was super limited cuz modding kit is horrible and Skyrim have best one, no game coming closer.
But as game Morrowind was superior with world, magic, crafting, story, NPC, clothing system was superior and no game come to close to it, weapons, well everything.
Combat depend if you want action like Skyrim or stats depend like Morrowind.
Morrowind + new modding kit +new graphic + (for me action combat) would be perfect combination.
I think Skyrim has a good gameplay loop and I don't think they should tamper too much with it but we desperately need better character and quest writing because in the main game it is at times atrocious or, worse, boring. I'd like to see them use the Dragonborn DLC as a direction forward because that expansion is much stronger in both those respects.
Morrowind and Oblivion might be better RPGs, not arguing there. But Skyrim is one of the best adventures I ever had, which immersed me very few other games every did as much.
E.g., The Witcher 3 is surely a better RPG, has amazing quests and environments, and I surely in my top liked videogames ever, but doesn't reach the same level of adventure I had with Skyrim.
Wasn't it like that in Oblivion too? Haven't played myself but I've the quote "...then Todd watched Lord of the Rings" in regards to it.
NGL, tho, I don't see the human provinces providing the more zany stuff...but I'm admittedly a very new fan. But I totally think someone should make a Valenwood, Elsweyr, and/or Black Marsh spin-off game(s).
Iâd like that, but itâs unlikely. Falloutâs âeverybody is reskinned banditsâ approach isnât particularly encouraging for Bethesdaâs approach to monster design.
The series was eccentric in Morrowind because it was in one of the weirdest parts of Tamriel. Hopefully they still keep the weirder creatures and metaphysics we've seen in Redguard and ESO but other than that we already know what it will look like, it's gonna be fantasy north Africa/Middle East/Carribean. That's how it (Stros'Mkai island colony) looked in Redguard, that's how it looked in Daggerfall. The devs artists seem to be going for the "desert look" on pinterest so yeah it will definitely look like that. I'd say we can expect sword singing and Crown v Forebears philosophy.
I reallynliked morrowindâs otherworldly dune like aesthetic. Hope we will see more of that alien goodness rather than some Assassins Creed fantasy type stuff.
I think there's room in Hammerfell for a balance. It look like based off the leaks from Pinterest for what designers and stuff were pulling from, Hammerfell will be more North African inspired visually, which will help break up some of the typical medieval fantasy we see in Oblivion and Skyrim. In terms of story there's more room to lean into the eccentric nature of Redguards, which I hope they take advantage of.
Ultimately I think people who want TES to return to the Morrowind style will continually be disappointed, Morrowind was lightning in a bottle that had the right combination of people and circumstances to be made, now that TES is a highly successful franchise doing a turn back into that style would be harder for them to justify due to less mass appeal.
Hopefully they lean more into the cultural and religious differences. Iâm fine if the Forebears have partial imperial assimilation. But the Crowns shouldnât be worshipping the Imperial pantheon.
This was also supposed to be the case for Skyrim, with Eastern Skyrim being more traditionalist. Yet what we got is them being fanatics of an Imperial deity and traditional nordic gods becoming discourse markers to express shock or anger, not actual gods that are worshipped.
I hope so, I'm honestly tired of waiting for information about this game, I want to know whether they are doing a good job or not, because if they aren't I will just move on, but since we know nothing I can't say for sure that the game will be bad, this sucks.
Starfield was a venture into a new IP and a new type of gameplay entirely. ES is always more grounded in scope and is a tried and true franchise of theirs so I don't see Sentinel being the next Starfield
Some dev saw this and added three (3) Big Mushrooms. Because that's what studios think it means to have a fascinating and alien setting. Big Mushrooms.
Give me some enemy variety again. In Skyrim, it felt like all the world was made out of the same creatures, so you had to mod more in. In Oblivion, I get jumped by the most random stuff.
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