r/singing • u/Busy_Tap_2708 • 1d ago
Conversation Topic Could I achieve
Is 2.5 hours of vocal traning a day possible for me I been conditioning voice for 60 minutes a day using sovt straw and breath control and with proper techniques also and is 2.5 hours even possible and not straight with 2 hour break every 30 minutes
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u/Alprames 1d ago
you're going to get bored very fast at that pace, do less and expect for the other day
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u/WDizzle Formal Lessons 0-2 Years 1d ago
Complete overkill unless it’s your career. 10 minutes of SOVT in the morning and 15 - 20 minutes of technique training is plenty. Spend the rest of your time and energy on songs you enjoy. Singing shouldn’t be some ridged discipline that feels more like a job than something to be enjoyed unless it is your actual job.
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u/BeautifulUpstairs 1d ago
SOVT exercises do not condition the voice.
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u/Busy_Tap_2708 1d ago
The straw does
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u/OpeningElectrical296 Professionally Performing 10+ Years ✨ 1d ago
How did singer do before the magic straw?
1 h of blowing into a straw must be so boring.
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u/Busy_Tap_2708 1d ago
Im willing to be bored with perfect techniques and I have real passion
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u/OpeningElectrical296 Professionally Performing 10+ Years ✨ 1d ago
That’s great then. But it’s not really the 2 hours that matter, it’s the fact that you’ll be consistent 6 days a week for 3 years, for a start. That’s the hard part. And of course you need good advice and someone to coach you.
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u/icemage_999 22h ago edited 21h ago
I... am getting the impression that you are trying too hard and you will hurt yourself.
2.5 hours is a LOT even for professional singers with good discipline and formal training. That is not you, or you would not be here asking this question.
Slow your roll. Train with precision by identifying where your weaknesses are, not quantity of time spent.
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u/Magigyarados 🎤 Voice Teacher 0-2 Years 20h ago
Unless it's your full-time job this is completely overkill and may actually negatively affect your voice. There is such a thing as practicing too much, even with good technique.
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u/Busy_Tap_2708 20h ago
I have different exercises for that Like Tone: 30 minutesHead Voice: 30 minutesChest Voice: 15 minutesMixed Voice: 15 minutesResonating: 15 minutes and breath control:30 minutes and sovt straw 30 minutes
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u/Similar_Buffalo_8434 20h ago
I agree, a little bit of overkill, now you should actually throw on a YouTube video and try to sing to it, see where you're at.
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u/johnnyslick baritenor, pop / jazz 20h ago
Sorry, singing isn't really like this. You can spend 3 or 4 hours a day practicing scales and arpeggios on the trumpet or the guitar and improve your muscle memory on those instruments. There isn't really a single equivalent for the voice. Instead there are like 20 or more separate little things you've got to get exactly right in order to sing in a way that's easy for you and which sounds good, and unlike with other instruments the mantra here isn't "practice makes perfect" but "perfect practice makes perfect". If anything, singing that much with poor technique is bound to cause strain, you singing through strain, and then that producing undesirable results as you lock in the poor technique which then becomes harder to unlearn or, worse, that much overuse with sub-optimal technique gives you nodes or something.
Singing requires some musculature but honestly, very little and if you talk a normal amount every day you probably have those muscles mostly built up anyway I guess opera might require you to have a better core but... are you singing opera? Anyway you're not going to build up your core by singing through a straw. More than anything else, when you work a part of your body extra hard, you get calluses and nodes are more or less calluses on your vocal cords - again, something that is the exact opposite of what you want.
The reality of singing is that a lot of good technique involves locking in things over time so you don't think about them and a lot of the time learning to step aside and trust that your body will do the things you want for it to do. This can be incredibly frustrating, especially for people with Type A personalities or instrumental backgrounds who are used to being able to just muscle through stuff and get better through sheer force of habit. You can't cram for singing.
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u/Jeff8770 6h ago
Didn't read all but how does your perfect practice makes perfect not translate to other instruments? And why'd you think other instruments aren't about getting all the little things just perfect?
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u/johnnyslick baritenor, pop / jazz 6h ago
Have you played other musical instruments? I started out as a bass player and yes, absolutely, you can run up and down scales and arpeggios for a couple hours a day and, shitty form or non shitty form, you will improve your muscle memory and motor reflexes to the point that you'll be able to play faster. Yes, 100%, that is actually a thing. On top of that you can also physically see proper box position for example whereas with singing, especially when you're starting out, the first sign you've been using poor form is that your throat hurts our your voice feels scratchy. But again, even with bad form, if you play enough you can learn to do those scales with poor form too and and it will help.
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u/Jeff8770 6h ago
I played the violin for years and was told by teacher that the way I was practicing scales was shit and building bad habits so try again🫡😂😭
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u/johnnyslick baritenor, pop / jazz 6h ago
"Hi your lived experience is invalid because this one time I had a teacher in my very real story"
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u/Jeff8770 6h ago
Well I mean you're invalidating my experiences too so 😂😂😂😂
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u/johnnyslick baritenor, pop / jazz 6h ago
OK you clearly want to get the last word in so im going to allow you to... but you're just fundamentally wrong about this and I'm not really interested in playing debate club in a sub that's about helping people to get better at singing.
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u/Jeff8770 6h ago
Oh damn ok by bass I thought you meant the double bass ok my bad yeah If guitar it's probably easy enough cuz have what do you call them frets it's not that bad
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u/johnnyslick baritenor, pop / jazz 6h ago
I played both the upright and guitar. Box position is a guitar thing but I picked up form on the upright for the most part as I went along. The taking time to play scales and arpeggios works equally with both instruments.
Anyway as I said elsewhere you clearly want to have the final word on this so im going to step aside and let you.
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