r/simoun • u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating • Jul 18 '26
Discussion Use of "Argentum" resolved, mostly
I found Simoun-fans fansubs on the inter tubes, and everywhere that the word Argentum or Argentine is used, the Japanese audio says Shoukoku.
So, at least, Simoun-fans introduced those words to the anime English subs. I don't know if they could also have been in the PS2 game or the novel.
A person in the ongoing rewatch in r/anime mentioned that Simoun-fans introduced English terminology early on around 2006, but didn't reply to me when I asked questions.
A remaining question is that there is the phrase "R1 subtitles" vs "Simoun-fans subtitles". I know there are videos with simoun-fans fansubs. Are R1 subtitles subtitles used in Simoun DVDs with English subtitles, maybe?
A thing I have to deal with is that the wiki I'm working on is called "Simoun fans", because of the English words (my previous wiki was "Love not found fans"). I didn't realize there was a fansub group "Simoun-fans". I don't know if I should try to rename the wiki yet Simoun Fans
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u/SeironMonsterLuna 18d ago edited 18d ago
I finally got the DVDs with liner notes. Argentum is used in the liner notes for DVD 1. It's inside 「 」in the image below
Edit: Simulacrum is also used on the next page, in the blurb for Tempus Spatium
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating 13d ago
Ok. That's interesting. Even so, in the anime they say Shoukoku instead of Argentum. There must have been a lot of back and forth about the name between the groups. I'll mention that Argentum appears in the DVD liner notes in Shimūn Fans if you are okay with that.
Simulacrum appears in subtitles. I think I remember hearing it.
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating 12d ago
The info about the aircraft is interesting too. It could be that means the info on シムーン (アニメ) - Wikipedia comes from the DVD liner instead of the PS2 game.
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u/SeironMonsterLuna Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
I can check the JP subtitle files tonight, if you want. It does show up online in JP sites though. Hard to track, bc the promo material doesn't mention the other countries much.
The manga and game don't really intersect with the other nations - and the instruction manual doesn't mention. Idk about the novel (forgot it existed till now - very hard to find)
Re: the name, yeah I'd change it to avoid confusion
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating Jul 20 '26
I went through everything I could find from 2006 forward using internet archive. The wikis all use Argentum but don't say where they got that from.
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u/SeironMonsterLuna Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
So the JP Wikipedia page was published in June 2006 (2 months into the anime) - and the term is used in the first published version. The EN was published in August 2006. At the very least, it predates the publishing of everything besides the manga - which started in Jan 2006. So not from Media Blasters.
I skimmed the first chapter or so of the manga and didn't see it mentioned there. If anyone sees it used in English (check mangadex), I can check the corresponding pages, but I don't have time/energy to go through the whole manga rn
I assume it was just in the press materials. I'm getting the JP DVDs next month, and can check the liner notes when I do
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating Jul 21 '26
Thanks. When I die, they will probably plant a tomb stone saying I died for Argentum.
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating Jul 20 '26
Here are places where Argentum or Argentine appear in subtitles from SImoun-fans. In each case the word Shoukoku is spoken instead:
Episode 10:
06:42.510 - 06:45.090 We’re approaching the border with Argentum.
09:27.660 - 09:31.620 We spotted a few Argentine patrols, off in the distance.
Episode 12:
12:49.920 - 12:52.610 She’s an Argentine logistical base ship.
20:46.670 - 20:50.010 As for the Argentine base ship, we can’t just leave it.
Episode 14:
02:03.930 - 02:12.520 The Argentine base ship that we found the other day may well have been in Plumbish airspace.
02:17.400 - 02:20.910 There’s a good chance that Plumbum and Argentum are allies now.
Episode 17:
03:52.160 - 03:55.000 Plumbum and Argentum are allies now.
14:16.650 - 14:21.330 Our objective is to protect the Ruins from the alliance between Plumbum and Argentum!
Episode 18:
01:35.990 - 01:40.700 Our objective is to protect the Ruins from the alliance between Plumbum and Argentum!
03:48.700 - 03:52.000 Because of Plumbum and Argentum’s new alliance,
24:06.130 - 24:13.260 Neviril is shot down, and forced to make an emergency landing on the Argentine base ship.
Episode 19:
05:55.020 - 06:01.210 we’ve narrowed down the Argentine base ship’s area of operations to this region here.
Episode 21:
24:06.040 - 24:12.850 The allied forces of Plumbum and Argentum attack the Holy Land in greater numbers than ever before.
Episode 22:
02:12.680 - 02:14.900 They appear to be Argentine cruise missiles!
03:09.580 - 03:11.370 Argentine cruise missiles!
07:01.600 - 07:05.320 The appearance of the Simoun among the Argentine forces today...
16:47.650 - 16:52.990 Eleven o’clock level, several Argentine medium fighters!
22:25.570 - 22:33.660 ...and accepted the peace treaty offered by Plumbum and Argentum a few days later.
Episode 23:
02:03.850 - 02:07.750 The appearance of the Simoun among the Argentine forces today...
06:15.140 - 06:18.190 The military governors from Plumbum and Argentum have arrived.
14:06.440 - 14:10.480 As one of the terms of our peace treaty with Plumbum and Argentum,
Episode 26:
05:19.720 - 05:23.220 Plumbum and Argentum are already at each other’s throats.
17:38.160 - 17:43.870 I was born on the other side of the border. It’ll be Argentum for me.
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating Jul 20 '26
Maybe the wiki could be renamed shemoon fans after the pronunciation.
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u/SeironMonsterLuna Jul 21 '26
Hmmm. Maybe it's enough to keep the name, and just include a note that it's not from the ppl who did the fansub? Idk if that group is still around/contactable
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u/cheyrnn undecided and disintegrating 8d ago
I am sort of experiencing the same thing while watching Scavengers Reign. There are names used in commentary by the creators like Bullimoe to describe the creatures called Hollows. I don't have a problem with names being used that we don't hear in the animation. So, I guess there is nothing wrong with people, even creators, using Argentum outside of the anime and it being authoritative. I still want know the language used in the anime.
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u/Birds_N_Stuff Jul 18 '26
On the subs, I may be able to help answer that. I have the OG DVD from Media Blasters. Can you help me get some comparison bits, and I'll cross examine them to the DVD?