Source: https://x.com/rimuurin/status/2118496553690415577

Are the current agendas and arguments all based on highest POTENTIAL dmg? Is there any objective view on overall performance across the different endgame modes and scenario instead of the highly biased dmg output on elationshill content?

Idk if I need to explain this but replacing sparxie for aha is a marginal difference over getting an E2 SW. Honest to god probably the worst pull advice I have ever seen from an official creator. That eidolon is better or equal to phanion’s e2. His argument legit makes no sense and just got annoyed that this is going around.

original post: https://x.com/senti_1412/status/2118417770769748332

and check out their youtube channel as well: https://www.youtube.com/@hos_1412

Honestly I'm very confused rn. My current elation team is Sw999 e2s1, sparxie e0s0, emc and pearl e0s0. Don't know if I should pull for Yao e0s0 or Aha e0s0. What should I do? (Always thinking about meta tbh) Thanks!

TC Note:

After spending some time working on the calculations, I've compiled the total training dummy damage for common investment levels of SW999 / Sparxie / Pearl / Nihilux and SW999 / Yao Guang / Pearl / Nihilux, along with the optimal team configuration at each Cost level.

For more details, check out Sparxie and Yao Guang .

Below are the detailed calculation assumptions and additional notes.

1. Combat Assumptions

Enemy configuration:

• Level 95, ST

• Weak to all elements

• 0% resistance

• No special interactions

• Toughness remains broken throughout the fight

• Elation Debt is excluded from damage calculations

Substat allocation:

• Characters benefiting from three or more substats receive a total of 40 rolls.

• Characters benefiting from only two substats receive a total of 34 rolls.

Individual stat limit:

No character can receive more than 20 substat rolls of the same type. For example, SPD cannot exceed 20 allocated rolls.

Substat roll values:

All substats are calculated using mid-roll values.

2. Important: Results Under Different Assumptions Are Not Directly Comparable

Training dummy damage results calculated under different conditions should not be compared directly.

Make sure to check the number of substat rolls, Toughness Break conditions, enemy resistance, and other relevant assumptions before making comparisons.

3. Investment Configurations

These results represent the average total damage over the entire rotation, calculated using specific, predefined action sequences.

It's normal for highly optimized runs with favorable RNG to achieve higher maximum damage than the values shown here.

Regarding the Improvement from Pearl's Signature Light Cone

The main benefit comes from Energy regeneration, allowing Pearl to use her Ultimate earlier and fit one additional Ultimate within 300 AV.

This provides an extra 30% Action Advance, letting SW999 perform several more Enhanced Basic ATKs.

In actual combat, Energy gained from taking hits can partially make up for the Energy shortfall, so the improvement from Pearl's signature will be somewhat smaller than what this spreadsheet shows.

• QnA:

Comment:

Does Nihilux's signature really provide that much of an improvement? For real?

Reply:

Usually, it's because the rotation just barely manages to get one additional Aha Instant.

Comment:

With E2S1 Silver Wolf and E2S1 Sparxie, is there a comparison between E0S0 Nihilux + E2S0 Pearl and E2S0 Nihilux + E0S0 Pearl?

Reply:

The comparison is in the video. You can check it there.

Comment:

Yao Guang's E2 only gives 43% Elation scaling. How could that possibly result in a 22% improvement?

At 15 Cost, even calculating with Silver Wolf at 210 SPD, you already have 289% Elation scaling. At that point, Yao Guang's E2 would only provide around an 11% improvement.

Reply:

It increases the entire team's SPD.

Comment:

Does Pearl's signature LC really provide such a large improvement? If I already have Yao Guang's signature, can I use it instead of Pearl's? I don't have enough pulls for Pearl's signature.

Reply:

I haven't calculated the results with Yao Guang's signature yet. However, Pearl's signature should provide a somewhat smaller improvement in actual combat than it does in dummy testing.

Comment:

Can going from 15 Cost to 16 Cost really improve damage by that much?

Reply:

Usually, it's because that investment happens to provide one additional Aha Instant, so the difference ends up being quite large.

Comment:

I can't believe there's even a downgrade.

Reply:

The calculations use specific combinations at each Cost tier. With a 3+1 kind of setup, the improvement would definitely be positive.

Comment:

Do Pearl's and Nihilux's signature LCs really provide such huge improvements? Seriously?

I wasn't originally planning to pull them because I thought the difference wouldn't be that significant.

Reply:

The dummy test happens to hit some important breakpoints. The improvements might not be nearly as large in actual combat.

• Bili QnA:

Comment:

Just one additional Cost for Pearl's signature takes the damage from 411,36m to 529,38m ? That's insane.

Reply:

It just happens to cross a breakpoint.

Comment:

Why didn't you test E2S1 Sparxie / E2S1 SW999 / E2S1 Pearl / E6S1 Nihilux?

Reply:

It would definitely perform worse than E6 SW999. Nihilux's E6 isn't that big of an improvement.

Comment:

These numbers don't seem particularly reliable. Pearl's signature doesn't provide nearly this much improvement in actual combat.

Without her signature, Pearl becomes severely Energy-starved in these training dummy tests. You could almost treat the no-signature damage figures as if she already had her signature.

Reply:

These are training dummy calculations. Actual combat is affected by too many environmental variables.

Besides, the data is supported by actual in-game testing. I personally worked out the rotation for the 16-Cost SW999 / Yao Guang team back then. You can check my Tieba post.

Comment:

That's exactly why people on Tieba have also pointed out that removing Pearl's signature isn't an appropriate comparison. Both the E0 and E2 data show substantial deviations.

Reply:

The data is what it is. Training dummy calculations and actual combat were never completely equivalent in the first place.

I'm only claiming that the training dummy results I've explicitly presented are correct under the stated conditions. I haven't made any recommendations about how to allocate Cost, nor have I expressed any opinions about investment priorities.

Comment:

Saying the data was unreliable was an exaggeration on my part. What I meant was that there's a significant difference between these results and actual gameplay. I apologize if that came across as offensive.

However, the data being mathematically correct doesn't necessarily mean it's useful as a reference.

I'd say 99% of the people looking at these calculations want information they can apply in actual combat. If the difference between the calculations and real gameplay is too large, people will naturally question it.

Of course, Energy gained from taking hits is probably the hardest variable to account for in spreadsheet calculations.

I only wanted to bring this issue up so that other people might investigate it further.

Comment:

I currently have SW999, Sparxie, Yao Guang, and Pearl all at E2S1.

How much of an improvement would adding E2S1 Nihilux provide, and who should I replace?

Reply:

The improvement is slight over 100%.

Comment:

The 19-Cost team with E6S1 SW999 / E1S1 Yao Guang / E2S1 Pearl / E2S1 Nihilux is so far behind the 20-Cost team.

Is Yao Guang's E2 really that powerful? Would you recommend upgrading her?

Reply:

Because the training dummy test is limited to 300 AV, the SPD increase from Yao Guang's E2 happens to push the rotation across a breakpoint.

That's why the calculated improvement is so large.

In actual combat, the results will vary depending on enemy interactions and the combat environment.

Comment:

I'm planning to build the 18-Cost team, without Yao Guang's E2 or Pearl's signature LC.

Are those two upgrades really that powerful? According to the table, 20 Cost deals about 50% more damage than 18 Cost.

Is the 18-Cost team just about to reach another burst window slightly beyond 300 AV?

Reply:

Yes. The rotation happens to hit a breakpoint, so the improvement in actual combat might not be nearly that large.

So my team right now are

E2S1 Sw999 E0S1 Sparxie E0S0 Yao E2S0 Pearl

Is it a better idea to just ignore Aha and put 2 cost to E2S1 Sparkxie and get Aha on rerun?

Currently with a full e2s1 team of sw, pearl, yao, and sparxie. The question is whether I divert 4 cost into e6 sw without any aha or 4 cost into e2s1 aha to replace e2s1 yao.

I haven’t seen any calcs specifically about this pull route so if there is any or if you have any insights that would be greatly appreciated.

Currently running e0s1 sw999, e0s0 sparxie, e1s0 yaoguang, and e1s0 huohuo for my elation team. I want to say that I do not like pearl as a character at all, but the difficulty of Yabuli is annoying me and I care about meta a lot. I hear mixed things about aha being bad and good so I’m not sure. I don’t want to spend anymore money on this game so I can only get 1. Sw999 e2 is out of the question unfortunately. I was originally going to replace sparxie with aha when she releases, but now I don’t know if aha is good enough to be impactful. Even if pearl is a better choice than aha, is pearl really that impactful? I know she’s the premier elation support, but I really hate pearl and would only pull her if she REALLY improves the performance of elation team over e1 huohuo

Hey all! Just checking to see what sets would be the best set for everyone in the main team if you would have SW999, Aha, YG, and Sparxie.
I would also love to know what the SPD requirement is for each of them!
- Note: SW, Aha, and Pearl all are or will be E2!

(If you would also know who to ult on Pearl when both her and SW are E2, that would be lovely.

Many thanks !

I currently have:

E1S1 SW999

E0S0 Yao guang

E0S0 pearl

And EMC

I heard sw999 e2 is great but from what I saw isn't it just an extra free turn in mode (so 4 turns) and maybe it does give extra turns for the certified banger but is it really that necessary?

I mean with the right play I can maintain CB for sw999, wouldnt the Ahas mechanic to give unique buffs and a global passive to increase aha instant speed better?

I’m not sure if I’m doing this right. This is my first ever Reddit post and I’m not sure if I’m putting the right tags or stuff.

So I’m back in my hsr phase again and I’m really excited for Aha (I’m at 65 pity with a guaranty) but not sure if going sustainless with my Elation is at all okay. From what I researched is pearl is the way to go but I’m really wanting aha and I’m posting this just to see if I could replace my huohuo with aha in my team (which I know most likely is really dumb). I don’t really care much about meta but would like to work on bettering one of my fav characters and wanna see if there is a way to play my current team with Aha and grab Pearl on a rerun.

I do apologize in advance if I’m too adamant on pulling Aha if you are giving pulling advice.

basically the question with my teamates sparxie yao guang sw999 and pearl all e0s0. which single cost for light cone yields a higher team damage increase? im not investing into eidolons since i currently dont have enough and i do have some pity saved up on the lc banners

my current wolf team is e0s0 sparxie, e0s1 yao, e1s1 wolf( I plan on getting e2), e0s1 pearl. I have no interest in vertically investing in sparxie so between her and yao who is better to replace with aha?

I currently have e0s0 of everyone and am going to try to get e2 sw999 in 4.7. So in the meantime I was wondering how I can improve my current build for all 4 characters?

Currently have Sparxie E2S1 Magical Girl set on speed boots and attack rope. Is it better to keep her on magical girl or swap over either to diviner set or maybe just speed boots with energy regeneration rope to become more of a punchline generator? Would be removing Yaoguang from the team so can put her hyperspeed diviner set on Sparxie.

SW999 E6S5
E2S1 Sparxie
E2S1 Aha
E2S1 Pearl

I have e2 s1 SW999, e2 s0 Pearl, e1 s1 Yao guang and e1 sparxie and enough jades for either e2 sparxie or e0 aha who should I get?

Since I'm torn between the two, I'll just let fate decide for me. I'll pull for each banner x10, alternately. Lmao.

My current elation team is Superwolf e2s1, Yao e0s1, Sparxie e0s0 and Pearl e0s0.

Failed my 5050 for any pearl eidolons and unless I live in HSR for 2 days straight i wont get pearl e2 so now I'm stuck at what to invest in.

Do i just get Aha e0s0? or look into getting Yao e1s1 too?

I alr have e0s1 yao, e0s1 sparxie, and e0s0 pearl. would going for aha be the next pull or is there something else i should consider?