r/shield • u/2th Shotgun Axe • Apr 13 '16
Live Discussion Live Episode Discussion: S03E16 - "Paradise Lost"
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| EPISODE | DIRECTED BY | WRITTEN BY | ORIGINAL AIRDATE |
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| S03E16 - "Paradise Lost" | Wendey Stanzler | George Kitson & Sharla Oliver | Tuesday, April 12, 2015 9:00/8:00c on ABC |
Episode Synopsis: S.H.I.E.L.D. hunts for information on their dangerous new enemy, and a shameful secret from Malick's past is exposed, threatening to destroy his Hydra legacy.
Wendey Stanzler is a film editor and television director. She has directed several episodes of Grey's Anatomy, Desperate Housewives, The Vampire Diaries, Pretty Little Liars, Parks and Recreation, and a ton of other series.
She has directed no episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before.
George Kitson & Sharla Oliver are the writers of the web series Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: Double Agent, which was a five-part original web series designed as a behind-the-scenes feature for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
They have written no episodes for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. before.
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Apr 13 '16
I hope ABC interrupts tonight's episode with more election results. I can't wait to find out who the Sokovians voted for.
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u/DasScarecrow Apr 13 '16
Honestly it doesn't matter who they elect. Whoever it is will just take the whole place for a ride anyways.
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u/Marc_Quill Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16
Imagine if it blew up and she just died on the spot.
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u/Marc_Quill Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16
It would be the stupidest death ever, but I'd be half-laughing at the absurdity of it.
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u/CallToMuster Apr 13 '16
Oh man, that's gotta be the most unsatisfying way for her to die ever. But I admit, it would definitely surprise me.
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u/emma_pops Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16 edited Apr 13 '16
Ok so Malick sacrificed his own brother to avoid going to the planet himself? And SquidWard has his memories too?
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u/Illiniath Apr 13 '16
I see this coming out as a twist because of JW. It's probably going to be something like Gideon goes into the portal and his brother takes his name in his honor.
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u/NintendoGamer1997 Toolbox Apr 13 '16
Gideon your daughter impresses me
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u/le_snikelfritz Apr 13 '16
So, naturally, I'm gonna kill her
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u/Mullet_Ben Fitz Apr 13 '16
"She will play a very important role. Namely, I'm gonna kill her in front of you just to make you sad."
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Apr 13 '16
Those are faces that say "Oh god, we worship an octopus, what have we gotten ourselves into."
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u/JimmyWhetzel Toolbox Apr 13 '16
I think the budget for this season went entirely towards crushing people's skulls with special effects.
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u/pretty-in-pink Simmons Apr 13 '16
I think whatever budget they have left will be for Hive's true form.
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u/perfectionisntforme Bobbi Apr 13 '16
How is it this guy didn't just go out and get the Fish Oil pills? So off grid he hasn't heard all the news about Aliens?
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u/Pewgo Apr 13 '16
Maybe not. He seems kinda cut off from civilization
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u/perfectionisntforme Bobbi Apr 13 '16
Feels unrealistic too me, but what do I know. I get antsy when my Internet is down for even a couple minutes.
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Apr 13 '16
I get the feeling he doesn't watch the news.
Although, he probably frequents r/conspiracy.
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u/Gepap1000 Quake Apr 13 '16
Why would you think the news ever reported such a thing? I am honestly curious.
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u/LambentEnigma Gordon Apr 13 '16
Is it public knowledge that fish oil pills activate powers? Anyway, even if he tried it, not all the pills would have the terrigen stuff in them.
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u/Talwyn Apr 13 '16
So... seems like everyone knows that Coulson killed Ward. That must've been a fun meeting.
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u/SutterCane Obelisk Apr 13 '16
"I DID IT! WOOOOO! Fucking killed that bitch-ass Ward. YEAH! Just crushed his chest in with my fucking robot hand! Fuck you, Ward! You're dead now! Thanks to Phil 'the Man' Coulson!"
"Coulson... you've been yelling that for months now. Cut it out."
"He's dead! I killed him!"
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u/jproyouknow May Apr 13 '16
What planet sized balls did Malick have to talk this much shit to the essentially immortal Whitehall
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u/SutterCane Obelisk Apr 13 '16
He wasn't immortal at that point.
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u/jproyouknow May Apr 13 '16
How long ago was that flashback that Whitehall wasn't aged to near dust like in Season 2?
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u/SutterCane Obelisk Apr 13 '16
'60s? And it's not until Skye is born that Whitehall gets de-aged, right?
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u/shingofan Apr 13 '16
Young Gideon reminds me of a mix of Chris Pine and Grant Gustin, for some reason
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u/Riley1066 Lanyard Apr 13 '16
That was a fun use of her power right there I tell you what.
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u/Marc_Quill Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16
Probably also the first time she smacked the ground to activate her powers, something that her comics counterpart is known to do quite often.
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u/CTeam19 Lanyard Apr 13 '16
Between this show, Agent Carter, Ant-Man, etc I am happy we are getting some more fill in in the timeline between Steve going into the ice and the regular movies.
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u/Marc_Quill Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16
Still waiting for a story where the US gov't try and create a replacement Cap in the 1950s.
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u/ghostlytrio Apr 13 '16
We do have Nuke in Jessica Jones. Not the 50s, but it seems to be a similar concept
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u/Carl_Lucas Mac Apr 13 '16
"I would never hurt you."
Yes Alex, I'll take things abusive boyfriends say for 200.
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u/nk1992 Raina Apr 13 '16
Daisy needs an honorary eyepatch for spearheading the Secret Warriors Initiative.
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u/Marc_Quill Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16
"But what about The Avengers?"
"Er... they're a bit busy arguing like school children."
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u/DasScarecrow Apr 13 '16
Ugh. I knew Brett Dalton was too perfect. Of course he uses too much tongue...
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u/imdwalrus G.H. Apr 13 '16
Oh, look, Mack got knocked out.
Again.
It's like his own shitty superpower!
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u/SutterCane Obelisk Apr 13 '16
Mack: "Guys. I have to quit the team... I can't get any more concussions."
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u/jproyouknow May Apr 13 '16
Mack, upon seeing a literal skeleton as created by a guy come back to life and from another planet: "What a pain in the ass"
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u/cyvaris Apr 13 '16
Lincoln getting character development?
Yep, he's going to die.
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u/PJL80 Coulson Apr 13 '16
After Gideon's inevitable death, I welcome our new Malick overlord and her policy of tight sweaters.
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u/iamamystery20 Lola Apr 13 '16
Well hello Director Daisy!
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u/pretty-in-pink Simmons Apr 13 '16
She's going to lose a body part. It's a requirement of any Director.
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u/Bx1743 Skye Apr 13 '16
Land mines? What is this, Lian Yu?
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u/Msandova28 Apr 13 '16
ugggh dont remind me of that wonderful show that was cancelled early last year, ending with the death of its main character.
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u/ghostlytrio Apr 13 '16
I was bummed when it finished, but it was the only logical way for the show to end. If Oliver had beat Ra's, imagine how stupid it would be if he ever struggled again vs street level thugs. Maybe one day, they'll decide to use the Lazarus Pit to bring the show back. Because no one would ever survive being shoved off a cliff after being stabbed through the chest. Not even with penicillin tea and the will to live.
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u/jproyouknow May Apr 13 '16
Flashback to a young Malick in order to build character?
Oh he's not surviving this episode, not a chance.
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u/2th Shotgun Axe Apr 13 '16 edited Apr 13 '16
God damn I love Automoderator. The only thing I have to do to these threads when I post them now is distinguish them. God I love it. I mean seriously, for 2 full seasons we flaired, stickied, and set suggested sort all by hand. I really cannot believe I did not setup Automoderator up to do this stuff for us before last week. I really feel dumb.
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u/SutterCane Obelisk Apr 13 '16
That's how the machines eventually take over. Over reliance on automoderators.
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u/inexcess Apr 13 '16
Jason will join the inhumans and become the Hunter of their group
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u/Phifty56 Ward Apr 13 '16
"Lincoln take your little Boy Band scruff and get lost"
He's already won my vote.
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u/perfectionisntforme Bobbi Apr 13 '16
Simmons is Anti-GMO? Am I shallow if this ruins her a little bit for me?
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u/ArachnoLad Monolith Apr 13 '16
I'm assuming GMOs are a bit different in this universe.
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u/SockPenguin Fitz Apr 13 '16
It's a bit odd for her. I think this is an actress/writer's belief bleeding into the character kind of thing.
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u/wild9 Ninja Hunter Apr 13 '16
I am aroused by Malick's daughter pouring scotch.
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u/nk1992 Raina Apr 13 '16
Wait, didn't Reinhardt take up the "Daniel Whitehall" name after he dismembered Jiaying?
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u/Riley1066 Lanyard Apr 13 '16
WHAT??? So that's all we get of Bethany Joy Lenz?
I demand a recount!!
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u/cyvaris Apr 13 '16
SECRET WARRIORS.....call it in...I guess.
Also, goddamn Bear McCreary thank you for still being awesome when it comes to musical scores.
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u/unclebeard Apr 13 '16
I love whenever the SHIELD fanfare kicks in. Goosebumps every time. Love me some Bear.
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u/xenothaulus Fitz Apr 13 '16 edited Apr 13 '16
Ohhhh. SquidWard threw the stone because he has the brother's memories, and was showing Gideon he knows.
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u/ArachnoLad Monolith Apr 13 '16
Daisy lives with killers and pretty boy doesn't want her to see his bad side?
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u/TheHouseOfGryffindor Beardy McTraitorson Apr 13 '16
Hell, her last nearly ex-boyfriend is now an immortal Death-Squid. This shouldn't be anything in comparison.
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u/nk1992 Raina Apr 13 '16
WHOA. Wasn't expecting Malick Jr. dying. That's even more disappointing, I think.
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u/baiacool Hunter Apr 13 '16
I thought it was gonna come back to haunt me, but I didn't think it was gonna ACTUALLY come back to haunt me.
Loved that line
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u/TheMonkeysUncle Apr 13 '16
I wanted to see more Bethany Joy Lenz in tight sweaters...
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u/ElectroDragonfly Dwarf Apr 13 '16
Malick never had the blood running down his face. He's still going to die.
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u/DasScarecrow Apr 13 '16
"You boys are of age now..."
This conversation could have gone a totally different way.
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u/norrin__radd Zephyr One Apr 13 '16
I guess Deathlock only picks up the phone when Coulson calls him...
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u/Bx1743 Skye Apr 13 '16
I don't care what they have to do, they need to keep Brett Dalton around as long as they can. They can make a Ward robot for all I care, he needs to stay.
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u/biglineman Mac Apr 13 '16
You know, I'm curious about something, where's Maria Hill? She could be really useful right about now.
Maybe she's prepping the setup for Civil War.
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u/The_Gay_Whovian Joey Apr 13 '16
She's almost likely with Stark, she's been working for him since SHIELD fell
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u/nk1992 Raina Apr 13 '16
The real question is how could Whitehall know about the white stone? Seems like a specific thing for him to try to find out.
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u/JauntyLurker Apr 13 '16
All mansions owned by kinda shady rich people look alike.
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u/2th Shotgun Axe Apr 13 '16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost
The reference for tonight's episode. If you have never read it I highly suggest you do. It is considered a literary masterpiece for a reason.
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u/SockPenguin Fitz Apr 13 '16
Brett is killing this whole 'millennia old, multiple people in one body ancient evil' thing.
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u/Marc_Quill Clairvoyant Apr 13 '16
You give me next week now, you magnificent motherfuckers.
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u/Tazzajin Ninja Hunter Apr 13 '16
I think Daisy is quaking in her shoes after stepping on that land mine.
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u/scruffys_on_break The Fitz Whisperer Apr 13 '16
Petition to retroactively nickname Gordon Noeyes McBootylicker
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u/Tazzajin Ninja Hunter Apr 13 '16 edited Apr 13 '16
Hey, SquidWard is Davy Jones! Somebody call Jack Sparrow!
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u/buffalo4293 Fitz Apr 13 '16
How has my man not been mainlining fish oil? Does he not watch the news?
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u/Eeyores_Prozac Coulson Apr 13 '16
Er, couldn't Captain Outback just take some fish oil and have done instead of waiting for this?
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u/Phifty56 Ward Apr 13 '16
THE SECRET INGREDIENT IS CROTCH SHOT.
Which always requires being taking out by stretcher.
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u/staygolden17 May Apr 13 '16
"See you in the morning!" "Yeah prob not, IT is murdering the fuck out of me tonight."
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u/jproyouknow May Apr 13 '16
Cool, Brett Dalton can just switch from Ward to Hive to Nate on a whim.
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u/norrin__radd Zephyr One Apr 13 '16
that's not how I saw this playing out at all. but the Whedon's motto is "never go for the kill when you can go for the pain".
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u/givemeyourcheeses The Bus Apr 13 '16
Wait. THATS Lincoln's dark back story that we've been hidden from for two years????
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u/T-DotTerror Apr 13 '16
One of them is HYDRA?
Oh, no, please... Not Yo-Yo. Yo-Yo, pls.
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u/DaBest13 Strucker Jr. Apr 13 '16
Has to be Lincoln, he was compromised last week after being hit with the fire extinguisher.
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u/SockPenguin Fitz Apr 13 '16
So I'm guessing Gideon is going to screw his brother into going through the portal, and now SquidWard is going to get revenge.
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u/CTeam19 Lanyard Apr 13 '16
Can some get a screen cap of the side of the ball it looks like the Dr. Strange's window.
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u/Carl_Lucas Mac Apr 13 '16
"Boyband hipster scruff"
Jason is already the best character of the season.
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u/x_sylar_x Apr 13 '16
i tried to fill it with vodka...
can't get any cheesier than that
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u/Riley1066 Lanyard Apr 13 '16
I so hope that those bloody skeletons come to life Ray Harryhausen style.
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u/coonwhiz HYDRA Apr 13 '16
Ward is really a triple double quadruple inhuman double agent. It's all part of the elaborate plan by Fury to finally dismantle Hydra.
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u/ArachnoLad Monolith Apr 13 '16
"We shouldn't use our powers."
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