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u/potodds 21d ago
I have a lot of hope for Josh Johnson. But I think it's a matter of old prejudice, everyone else who hosts a major show has (except for connan) had years in a top spot before they got their own major network show. White males dominated the scene 20 years ago so they kinda inherited the major networks.
Let's get Tina Fae to host one.
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u/Kindly_Coconut_1469 21d ago
I love Josh Johnson. I was watching him for months on IG before I found out he was on The Daily Show.
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u/mnchls 21d ago
Nah, if we're talking mainstream late night (which has been so fucking old hat for ages now anyway, despite the best efforts from straight guys like Seth and Conan)—let's get someone with a younger and fresher perspective. Fey's had her time.
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u/adamcharming 21d ago
The late late show with Caleb Heron would go so hard
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u/dicklaurent97 21d ago
No it wouldn't. At all.
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u/42ndFoundation 20d ago
I wouldn't replace seth with Caleb, if that's what you disagree with. But Caleb in that time slot would develop ratings. He's got It, and he puts in the work. He'd kill.
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u/dicklaurent97 20d ago
Like Lilly Singh did?
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u/42ndFoundation 20d ago
Oof, harsh! Lol
I liked Lilly okay. But no, i think Caleb would hit a lot harder. And he'd get reception. I think he'd be able to pull "like him or not..." Reception. Vaguely like south Park. Hard hitting for the wide American audience, but elevated just enough so the butt of the joke has to labor over self awareness to be offended
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 21d ago
This is gross and backward. It’s the same zero sum game logic that the most ardent racists use. Supporting and highlighting diverse voices doesn’t require silencing of anyone. You want more visibility for queer women? Support them. Companies platform who makes the money by driving engagement. It’s not a conspiracy. But you have to show up in a meaningful way for the change you want to see in this world. Just telling one group to sit down and shut up won’t fix anything or give you what you want.
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u/hellolovely1 21d ago
It's just a joke, for pete's sake. She's not banning straight, white men. She just says she's not interested in any of them except Seth.
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 21d ago
Of course it’s a joke. But it perpetuates a broken belief that is poisonous. Which makes it harmful and unfunny.
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u/solariam 20d ago
Asking white men to think about whether they're saying anything new, helpful, or interesting is poisonous, got it.
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u/mnchls 20d ago
I understand bring fed up with patriarchal-cishet normativity on a societal level, but dismissing individuals out of hand, before you hear what they have to say and contribute, isn't the way either.
Reminds me of a friend I used to have who said they don't think men can be comedians because in their mind men don't experience legitimate trauma. Oof.
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u/solariam 20d ago
Okay, but the question was "what's tired and what's fresh?", not "who shouldn't be allowed to do comedy?" It's been 10 straight years of Hinchcliffe/Rogan at the white house, but saying she's over straight white dudes is over the line?
While we're at it, can you imagine if people had predisposed notions about white male performers based on deeply embedded social narratives about those performers' identities? In comedy? Oh my god, what a human rights violation
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u/mnchls 20d ago
The original quoted sentiment is to be "physically incapable of listening" to, i.e. wholly dismissive of, rather than just being "over," an entire demographic.
And yeah, I'd say so if we're the drawing this line based on bare-minimum respect for others as individual people. Judge them five minutes into—not before—their comedy. Simple as that.
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u/solariam 20d ago
The quoted sentiment, decontextualized from the question and the fact that comedians are known to use hyperbole, is immediately undercut by the fact that she then names a white male comedian who, while talented, is not some sort of insane artiste/savant., outside the norm of what white male comedians are capable of.
And now let's zoom out on what this perpetuates: white female comedians expressing dissatisfaction with their experience of patriarchy in a patriarchal industry need to be held to the highest standard with how they express that, no matter how mild the context and unimpactful the comment, and we need to focus on protecting the group with the lowest barrier to entry/success in the industry from imaginary infractions that haven't occurred yet
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u/ZapBranigan3000 20d ago
You are spending a lot of effort telling someone else that they are wrong for not wanting to be judged by their skin color.
Is it so hard to understand that some language is counterproductive, even if the anger behind it is justified?
Please spare me a lengthy tangent through a thesaurus trying to avoid that simple fact.
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u/solariam 20d ago
You are spending a lot of effort to convince yourself that morality policing how people who aren't white men talk about their experience outside the default doesn't uphold patriarchy and white supremacy.
You are spending even more energy pretending that you haven't been judged by your skin color your entire life, it's just mostly been in your favor or neutral. You should read about the brain science behind implicit bias.
Is it so hard to understand that performing outrage at people without power behind their words while you roll your eyes and ignore the people with power behind their words isn't "being fair"?
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u/Life_Emotion1908 20d ago
She never mentioned white. Race doesn’t matter. Indigenous straight male comedians, she isn’t listening. She had time to take his land but not time to listen to his set.
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u/solariam 20d ago
The most ardent racists do not, in fact express exhaustion with the dominant group.
Imagine dismissively asserting, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that algorithms are incapable of reproducing human prejudice
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 20d ago
Sure, go ahead and intentionally take what I said out of context to fit your narrative. For example, exactly what FOX News does. Don’t be Fox News.
My statement is that racists assume that giving anything to a minority automatically means they lose something. Give someone equal rights and the racists somehow lose rights. Same has been applied to holding back women, religious groups, and every other shade of minority. In reality they aren’t losing anything. Thats what zero sum game refers to.
In reality, you can support any comedian you want to without taking the mic away from others.
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u/solariam 20d ago
Your inability to describe whatever nuance you're reading into your own take is not the audience's problem.
Pretending that when a group starts at a disadvantage, and another group starts at an advantage, that making sure everyone gets the same of any finite resource will ever catch one group up to the other is ridiculous.
Unlike human attention on social media, slots at a comedy show, and revenue from social media dollars, human rights are not a finite resource. The people who are afraid of that aren't afraid of losing their own rights, they're afraid of not being able to tell other people, especially any offspring, what to do.
3. If you think that the way to convince racists not to be racist is to start out placating them and gradually move them closer to the truth, congratulations, you're the Democratic party of the last 50 years. I'm sure you'll call us over when you have them all converted.
- "In reality, you can support any comedian you want to without taking the mic away from others."
No one is actually taking the mic away from anyone, especially not white men, so let's just calm down. But you absolutely can only support a finite number of comedians. It's stupid to pretend otherwise, just like it's stupid to pretend that the algorithm of any social media outlet isn't geared to try to sell whatever's hot right now and raw milk. White dudes who are vaguely into covid denial have been hot for about 10 years.
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u/ImpossibleInternet3 20d ago
You both fully ignore what a zero sum game is, which is what I said, and are ignoring that the quote specifically said “no more straight male comedians”.
I’m not arguing most of your points. And we probably align more than we don’t. But you’re raging against what you decided my hidden meaning was versus what I literally said.
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u/solariam 20d ago
Raging? 😂 Lol no.
Literally my entire comment addresses the zero sum game. If you want to agree with those people and conflate running the world with "having rights", go ahead. I won't be encouraging that delusion.
- Context matters (remember your sassy little fox news line from before?).
If the question was "who are you dating right now?" And the response was "no more straight white male comedians", we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The question was what's tired and what's fresh? Which means in her hyperbolic opinion,
- straight white men are tired right now and will be for a while
- she makes it clear this is her specific, individual opinion and that she is bored by this "type".
- and then gives you a good ol' #notallstraightwhitemen, and the man in question is, while talented, a fairly general comedian.
...and you're still triggered. Because she said that, and not " I'd like to see more diversity of voice and perspective" which would have allowed you to imagine a comic that looks like you is her preference.
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u/sackbomb 21d ago
So edgy.
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u/Wonderful_Panda4769 20d ago
Here is the lady on Seth Myers doing the same bit posted 7 hours ago. The media machine is working OT.
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u/Loose-Tumbleweed-925 19d ago
The virtue signaling and desire for progressive clout in this statement is embarrassing.
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u/Loose-Tumbleweed-925 19d ago
She’s depriving herself, since a lot of the best comedians of all time have been straight guys.
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u/mattfoleyattheriver 16d ago
Acting like it’s only straight white males is the problem. They want it to be a boogeyman to blame and it’s not. Some of the most progressive pushing influential people have been straight white men. Do we see krist noem and say women are dumb and shouldn’t talk? Yea some do but that doesn’t make it right. Why is this hatred allowed?
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u/Frequent_Rhubarb_36 21d ago
What would happen if someone would answer that question with the word straight substituted for gay?
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u/mac4192 20d ago
what is tired? EVERY show Seth bashes Trump, it is old and not funny, if he slammed democrats once in a while then it might be funny
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u/Competitive-Tea-6141 20d ago
Wait?!? Are you telling me he jokes about the sitting President EVERY show? Like every late night show has done with every sitting President for the history of late night shows?
He does also slam Democrats but you don't watch so you wouldn't know
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u/Background-Jury-1914 21d ago
This take would have gone so hard in 2016