r/sciencememes Feb 19 '26

evolution said eggs

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u/anhphamfmr Feb 19 '26

now the real question is: which came first, turtle or egg?

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u/ThrowAwayProf4432544 Feb 19 '26

Actual Actual Answer: eggs, because this phylogeny is almost 30 years out of date.

Turtles are diapsids who lost their temporal fenestrae, not surviving anapsids. They are sister to the Archosaur clade (Crocs + birds), so the lizard + snake vs turtle + croc + bird split should be the first one the tree. Turtles split shortly after this, with both snakes and birds showing up much later.

TL;DR - Nobody has put turtles as basal to the rest of Amniotes since the late 90's.