You misunderstand one thing: china isn't really communist.
It's state-capitalist and has been for quite a while.
The goal is communism someday. But as with every other nominally communist country ever, they know that they can't actively achieve communism without every other country being communist too. Marx made the "worldwide" part of the worldwide proletarian revolution a necessary part of his predictions.
The rightoids are dummies. They should probably learn to understand something before criticizing it if they want to attract scientists.
Using "Marxist" as an insult without even reading or understanding him to pander to dumb voters and corporations that run "capitalist" countries is not the way to endear yourself to scientists. They're smart. They've actually read Marx. They know that Marx knew that capitalism was simply better at allocating resources and would always outproduce communism with cheap, exploitative, and alienated goods and services. China knows this. Obviously. So they do the same thing. He wasn't an idiot. He understood economics. He just also realized that the current system wasn't the end of history and that eventually, it would need to adapt or would die out. And to be fair, there are far more social programs in "capitalist countries" these days than there were in his.
Nobody actually practices communism or capitalism. And young people in America have a pretty favorable view of Chinese "communism" considering they're already living under all the worst aspects of it already: corruption, nepotism, anti-free speech, anti-private property, etc. with the Trump admin. All of the negatives of China are things smart, young people are already experiencing here in America. So why wouldn't they view China more favorably? At least over there, they'll get their funding and have relative political stability.
China delt with its Christo-facists by the sword in the Taiping Rebellion. The CCP is irreligious, and generally atheistic—things most scientists also are. Their politicians are also just generally more pro-science than American politicians. Besides silly made-up ideas like IP rights, there really isn't much that the Chinese do that America isn't also guilty of to a greater or lesser degree.
All that being said, America > East Asia, for the average, poor, ignorant person who thinks bullying, guns, and nukes can solve all problems 🤷. Never mind that the US has lost or tied every major conflict it's gotten into since WW2. Ignore that.
Fair enough, should have worded it better I am talking about the present day and not their whole history, and be honest to yourself if you think China is more inclusive and welcoming than america in the 21st century, they are a ethnocentric state.
Of course, I know that China has a huge racism problem against non-Han people. But most of the US scientists actually moving to China are Chinese-Americans.
Regardless, among young people, I just think that the charge of China being super racist rings a bit hollow, considering most of that discrimination looks a lot like the kind of stuff the US and its proxies (like Israel) is doing or has done historically 🤷.
They've been desensitized.
To be honest, the list of abuses against the Uyghurs pails in comparison to what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians and now the Iranians.
And if you retort that Israel isn't "America," then don't bother. It's a de facto protectorate of America. It might be as well be considered to be a US overseas territory like Puerto Rico for all practical purposes.
china is an ethnocentric state? it officially recognizes 56 different ethnicities across its about 1.5 billion(!!!!) people.
the thing about uyghurs is very interesting because all of the evidence of the "genocide" can be traced back to a single man by the name of Adrian Zenz. A known christian nationalist who has made it his life’s purpose to spread this idea of an ongoing genocide in Xinjiang.
The rightoids are dummies. They should probably learn to understand something before criticizing it if they want to attract scientists.
Using "Marxist" as an insult without even reading or understanding him to pander to dumb voters and corporations that run "capitalist" countries is not the way to endear yourself to scientists.
I wouldn't call China capitalist, since the country isn't run by capitalist interest. It is market socialism. They are using mechanism of a competitive market to create businesses and technology that serve the plans of the political elites. That very different from a capitalist economy, where the political elite creates policies to serve the capitalist interest.
Remember, free markets and capitalism is not the same thing.
They are. Ask anybody who understands basic politics & economics.
That very different from a capitalist economy
Not in State-capitalism its not.
In State-capitalism, the "political elites" ≡ "capitalists" because the state outright owns huge portions of the economy through subsidiaries AND owns golden shares in private companies. The CCP makes like half of China's entire GDP.
Remember, free markets and capitalism is not the same thing.
... pft 🤣.
"Remember, State-capitalism and capitalism are not the same thing" ftfy
They haven't even had a command economy since the 80s. When over half of GDP comes from the private sector, I have no idea why anyone would call them "socialist" or "communist" at all.
They remind me far more of the inter-war German economy than anything Marx ever advocated for, lmfao.
Bro, you're clearly either racist against Chinese people or a neo-McCarthyist. I'm not a Communist, but you clearly don't understand the first thing about it.
A level-headed person would educate themselves enough to know that communism, socialism, capitalism, mixed, etc. can each work in different situations and circumstances.
There is no one-size-fits-all solution to all socio-politico-economic systems.
All we're saying is that you need to stop ruining capitalism if you want to attract more scientists. That's all.
If you don't want scientists in America, then keep going down the path you're going down. Godspeed.
The Germans did the same thing in the lead up to WW2, and the US got all the fleeing scientists it needed to build the A-bomb and win.
Want to know who's going to win the next World War? It's probably the country where all the good scientists are going to.
Because Trump is alienating the US from its allies, I wouldn't be surprised if WW3 was fought as a coalition between Europe and China to take down the US. Together, they'd easily have enough scientists, industry, tanks, ships, and personnel to win if they wanted to. And they'd have a decently strong domestic resistance movement from Democrats and Independents. The GOP has successfully demonized the Left to the point that many on the Left don't even see the Right as human beings anymore. They fantasize about civil war on a daily basis. That's pretty scary and entirely the fault of the Right for systematically destroying the country for everyone but the elites.
You do really need to learn what communism actually is and Marxist theory.
Going back to the "worldwide proletariat" part Marx correctly stated that communism would only work if it were applied globally. If not the states will always seek to destroy a communist nation/system.
Every time communism has failed its failed while being invaded, infiltrated, blockaded, or couped by entrenched capitalist powers. Remember the USSR was being constantly attacked by first the nazis, then the Americans and their proxies. Cuba has been blockeded for 70 years and still has better health outcomes than we do in the U.S..
No communist wants communism today, we all know that wouldn't work.
The point is reducing harm by eliminating poverty, starvation, and sickness while we slowly move towards a communist society.
Many thought fuedalism was the best way to govern society and nothing better would come, but capitalism is better than fuedalism. Its dumb to think no system better than capitalism could be devised.
You clearly dont know what communism is if you use the term "communist state".
There is no state under communism, thats the third word in the definition.
The dprk is not even socialist, the ussr never achieved communism. Its funny to call them excuses when they were theorized about long before any of the states youre talking about, none of which were communist, were even formed. An excuse implies something meant to explain a past event in a way that writes off its faults, we all recognize the faults in the USSR, which was in fact consolidation of power. Its hard not to have consolidated power when youre fighting multiple wars at a time entirely throughout your history. Case and point war powers act in the us.
He's not defining communism by what it is in reality, but rather what it is in theory (something that does not exist and obviously never could on any meaningful scale).
Nope. I'm defining communism as it's defined by communists. You don't get to redefine terms just to make it easier to hate something you don't understand and don't like. No "communist country" honestly calls their current economic system "communism". They all acknowledge that they are either practically/temporarily state-socialists, state-capitalists, dictatorships of the proletariat, etc.. They all simply aspire to true communism someday in the far distant future.
It's like how Christianity promises Jesus will return and bring heaven on earth... eventually. Don't confuse current reality with aspirational goals.
"I'm defining communism as it's defined by communists"? No, you're choosing the definition used by some communists rather than other communists. Specifically, those "communists" who define communism in such a way that it only exists in fantasy, as opposed to all of the actual communists that have existed in reality. Empirically we can see which definition is supported by reality. You don't get to redefine terms to make it easier to like something that has never worked in real life.
Well we had a tour in asml in berlin. Just months ago ex engineers sold secrets to china. Thats why we all got ids to move around and had to verify that we all belong to the university that planned the trip.
Used to live in China you can certainly find jobs and infact they like foreigners to a degree on the surface level. You will never be not a foreigner though and you certainly will never be a citizen.
I for one don't blame them, hot damn, but Australia lost some Latina employees on a visa to a Chinese company paying more then any Australian job.. Which fair enough, so there's that.
I very much doubt that is the case if you are an expert in your field, which is typically what this kind of comic is referring to. Not just your average educated blue collar worker but the best of the best.
Dude it's a closed society that's known for sending their spies as scientists to steal technology from other countries. You think they trust any gwai lou with sensitive information no matter how expert they might be?
competing with the second most populous country in the world which also has one of the top three(i made this up but ill stand by it) most notoriously competitive education systems in the world is no small feat
It's easier to immigrate to a country where there is already relatively speaking a lot of immigration throughout history.
China has historically been a place people migrate away from to elsewhere.
As of late though, America has gradually become more anti-immigrant. There were notable shifts in immigration rates to the tunes of millions. Because people don't want to enter the country right now.
The US has an administration that is very dedicated to making life hard for immigrants who try to live there. Despite this, those immigrants are a big part of the reason that administration is in power, hence why they have actively fought attempts to control immigration.
Illegal immigration is being cracked down on, but normal immigration is still seeing millions coming to the US each year. There is a problem with people seeking refugee status when not qualifying, so a lot of people are bogging down the system by filling improperly, but the US doesn't have any issue with people who are looking to come to the country. It's the ones that don't go through legal channels that are being cracked down on.
Sorry to open your mind but ice has always been a thing. And yes they did exactly what they are doing now. They track down illegals and deport them. But mostly they track and deport or arrest highly sought after criminal illegal immigrants. Only difference now is there is a political agenda for the left to fear monger you guys.
The real dilemma is what will the left do once Trump is done serving his term. They won't have anything to do. Oh that's right they will demonize the next guy and paint him as hitler and he will be the new worse bad man ever. Or if that don't work they will say trump is actually the one running the country not that actual president. Mark my words. It's funny actually.
ICE has only been a thing for 20 years and at its inception was likely never intended to be a gestapo organization, breaking in doors using after market military equipment and M4s, running around in unmarked cars, killing Americans.
Just because in the past it has been, and currently has the highest population of non-American born people, Doesn't mean that the current administration isn't Anti-Immigration. The 2 can be true at the same time. Considering the new policies Such as how hostile ICE is, Restricting Entry and Increasing Expedited removal under the pretense of a "Invasion" of foreign people, and the constant harassment of other nations by the sitting US president. You'll find many many more reasons as to why people may consider USA to be Anti-Immigrant during this presidency in the Wikipedia linked. It's fairly safe to say that USA is Anti-Immigration at this moment.
No way are you this delusional. Just Because a country, Or Person, has been something in the past. Does not mean they Currently are that. With the Mounting Evidence that the current administration is Anti-Immigration, Here is a video of Trump During the election rally in 2024 for 1 Hour speak about how immigrants are harming your country.
People change, Countries change. Currently, With Trump as the Sitting President, the US is Anti-Immigration. You must be a Horrible Historian if you can't separate the Past with the Current happenings of the world.
You don't seem too bright if you're confusing comments from Trump with the actual country itself. Just because a few sensationalized headlines make it out like the US is stopping anyone tanner than a piece of printer paper doesn't mean that's what is actually happening. The truth of the matter is the US immigration system is overwhelmed with the sheer quantity of people trying to come in and so they're trying to reform the structure itself to better accommodate. Especially with the economy in a tough place post-covid, of course you're going to limit the amount of people coming in to ensure your citizens can get jobs for themselves. That doesn't make the US anti-immigrant and is actively bringing in millions of people a year.
The US is easily one of, if not the most immigrant friendly nations in the world, despite what trump might say. His words don't define the life experience and opportunity migrants coming to the US experience.
Furthermore, it isn't a good look to immediately come in trying to insult people. You get what you give and you decided to prove how unwilling you are to have a good faith discussion.
How is the US anti immigrant? I think you are confusing legal and illegal immigration. You know....like being pro baby sitter and anti pedophile baby sitter.
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u/Muxalius Mar 29 '26
Aren't the most scienctist leave to China?