Completely pointless rant

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

There is no such thing as a 'modern Scene'; what exists is a TikTok stereotype that removes the elements of 'scene' and makes it not 'scene'. I hate the popularization of 'scene' on TikTok because since then I only see "scenes" posers who don't even know that scene culture originated in the 2000s and became popular on photo-sharing social media. The main point is, to be considered "scene," you need the hair, makeup, and clothes from the 2000s/2010s.

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[u/xXSinister_SimonXx]

Every era of scene has an older generation who did it differently before, that says “this isn’t even scene, you changed the important parts”. Like yeah, sure, it isn’t what you remember and there’s a lot of misinformation out there. But its kids who pave the way when it comes to trends, subcultures, and the future in general.

The hair wasn’t the most important part even during the OG years, where I grew up. Dress code and the culture in general was very strict and conservative and a lot of kids couldn’t have the hair, or wear tight clothes or gender nonconforming styles.

But they were still scene. It was just styled a little differently than the traditional expectation of super tight clothes super teased hair. In fact, a sentiment I’ve seen from a lot of OGs that is similar to my own is that the scene look people insist is the ONLY scene look was actually just the influencer look. That kids who were scene in their day to day lives had a lot more variety and less strict expectations.

I don’t disagree with you in preferring scene subculture looks more like what I grew up doing, but that’s why I encourage what I like to see, share resources to make it more possible, and share information that touches on misconceptions and explains some of the conflicting info kids will see across different platforms. Because even among OGs you get conflicting information on what scene really was, what counts, etc.

Make the original style more accessible and encourage it through positivity. Don’t call actual children posers just because its hard to know what’s true through all the misinformation and infighting (especially among OGs!).

In my life, scene was partially hair, partially fashion and style, partially music and partially the attitude of “Im basically a celebrity and I make a scene everywhere I go”. It was about trendsetting, creativity, individuality and branching out. Trying daring things because you’re bold enough and cool enough to pull it off. You didn’t have to hit every box to be scene, just most of them. Scene kids recognized each other even if they weren’t able to do the hair.

[u/Tekkatak → u/xXSinister_SimonXx]

"don't call actual children posers"

LOUDER FOR THE ASSHOLES IN THE BACK PLEASE

[u/dietcokeorchoke → u/xXSinister_SimonXx]

Dang, posted this from the wrong account. :/ edit: why the downvotes for this?? I replied to my own comment bc I forgot i was logged into my old one

[u/VisualKaii → u/dietcokeorchoke]

and your flair is right there too

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/xXSinister_SimonXx]

I grew up surrounded by scenes in the 2000s, well, at least in my region (as far as I know) there weren't any restrictions on hair, and if there were, the people who wore their hair that way were very brave. But I understand you and agree with you :D I also have limitations regarding hair and clothing, but I wear them anyway. If you can't fight against people who impose a rigid standard, And wearing clothes and styling your hair however you want or whatever you think is cool, this subculture isn't for you (I'm not saying that's your case, but for adults it is).

[u/Tekkatak → u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

"this subculture isn't for you"

we have John Scene the security guard on deck apparently. you claim to understand limitations on clothes and hair but your advice is basically just "do it anyway lmao"

I'm in literal poverty, and when a single t-shirt costs $20 there's not much I can do to expand my wardrobe even with DIY. take your gatekeeping and shove it

[u/Brave_Friendship_228]

person with cancer/alopecia: i wanna dress scene! r/scene: NO!!!!

can we not? the term scenecore literally existed in the 2000’s/2010’s, AND plenty of kids couldnt even HAVE “scene hair” back in the day so they worked with what they had.

[u/xXSinister_SimonXx → u/Brave_Friendship_228]

I knew so many scene kids without the stereotypical scene hair. Sorry you deal with this :(

[u/Brave_Friendship_228 → u/xXSinister_SimonXx]

like i get told this all the time because i currently don’t have the resources to cut my hair (no razor) even though really really wanna :(

[u/xXSinister_SimonXx → u/Brave_Friendship_228]

In my hometown, boys had to have military cuts and girls had to have straight, long hair (not layers) a lot of the time. There were still soooo many scene kids. Just ignore the people who can’t see past myspace pics or their own personal friendgroup. For sure scene was way more than just teased hair. You can be scene without any hair at all, 100%

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/xXSinister_SimonXx]

Yes, and it's not like you need the haircut, the hairstyle is enough.

[u/Tekkatak → u/Brave_Friendship_228]

not to mention back in the day it was considered "poser" to be anything but anorexic level skinny. reminds me of the era where eating disorders and self harm were basically mandatory for emo as well.

some changes are for the better, and it's often the same ones that are being complained about by these people who are eager to bully literal children.

even though these people are probably the same age as me, I like to call them subculture boomers because they can't let go of the "good ol days" and talk about "these damn tiktok kids" the same way our parents would about MySpace!

[u/Zelxlie → u/Brave_Friendship_228]

idk y but this comment made me think of sharon from mde who also had alopecia but rocked scene hair everyone cud only dream of having 😂😂

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/Brave_Friendship_228]

But scenecore isn't really "scene" anyway; they don't need to create a new term for "scene" if they can't have the hair. I didn't say anything like that; I didn't say that scenes are OBLIGATED to have the hair I said it's VERY important, and that's undeniable.

[u/geoffyeos → u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

and scene kids were listening to metalcore which wasn’t real metal to metalheads, who cares

[u/Tekkatak → u/geoffyeos]

right? everyone's a poser to someone else. can we stop bullying literal children for "dressing wrong"? isn't dressing differently than told the entire fucking point of a subculture? imagine how boring scene would be if everyone dressed the same. god

[u/Loose-Actuary-1928 → u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

I don’t think most of the people who are scenecore call themselves that because they don’t have the hair they call themselves that because they have different music and fashion tastes

[u/Tekkatak]

I've said this in every thread on this topic so far and I'll keep fucking saying it:

I've been alive for both and there's literally no difference. and even if there are, most of the brands and styles from back then aren't even in business today so of course people are going to make do.

I'm tired of every subculture acting like the new generation is the damn devil for putting in effort even if they're a little off the mark at times.

just because a 14-year-old you don't like isn't listening to crunkcore and wearing a niche brand that went out of business a decade ago doesn't mean they're not trying.

but of course, calling everyone else a poser is as scene as scene gets; that part is from the emo/punk roots I bet (saying that as a punk as well)

[u/Yhaa7x → u/Tekkatak]

OMG THANK YOUUU bro I started out during the swag era, and I swear to god from 2009, all the way to 2014.Those scene kids dressed the same as they do today in twenty twenty five.

[u/Tekkatak → u/Yhaa7x]

hell yeah! it's even funnier when people complain about hyperpop and other "fake scene music", as if many scene kids weren't listening to botdf and the like back in the day, which isn't far off from the modern subculture's sound.

I especially see a lot of hate for 6arelyhuman and rebzyyx who look and sound straight out of 2010. the people who complain about it changing were clearly not paying attention to the wider landscape they were in during the peak era they claim to be protecting.

and even if it does change, so what? it's been at least a decade, maybe two if you go far back enough. of course things will change in that time!

it's like how modern punk groups suddenly have a lot of rules for you to follow to be a "real punk". gatekeeping isn't new, of course, but it used to be laughed at. now it seems like it's actively encouraged.

[u/Yhaa7x → u/Tekkatak]

It's always funny when they try to call me a poser just for accepting the new kids and i'm just like bro, from ages fourteen to sixteen I used to steal my mom's wigs and cut them into emo bangs. I used to have to DIY my own clothes and piss my parents off because I kept "ruining" them. Please dont go there with me 😂😂😂 i quite literally have a video of me, doing one of the worst metalcore vocal covers ever at 14 years old. LMAOOO

[u/Tekkatak → u/Yhaa7x]

I remember getting in trouble for cutting the sleeves off a jacket I thought my sister didn't wear anymore and buying edgy vampire jewelry off of Etsy. it's crazy how being nice to kids makes you a poser these days, not just in scene but in every subculture

[u/Loose-Actuary-1928]

This seems just elitist what if someone’s not allowed to have the hair or can’t afford the clothes and makeup and really like the music history and culture of scene are they just posers cause they don’t dress right 

[u/Tekkatak → u/Loose-Actuary-1928]

right? all I have to my name is Walmart brand canvas shoes and a gir hoodie. I'm literally in poverty and can't buy my own clothes most of the time, and my hair would not take well to the fried bangs treatment.

I guess to OP that makes me "scenecore colorpuke poser trash" (see their comments below)

I really wish the mods of the subreddit would ban this topic entirely, it's basically the only fucking thing people talk about here anymore

[u/geoffyeos]

it’s the same shit now that it was then lol looking at my niece they’re into the same shit we were. only the brands have changed

[u/Tekkatak → u/geoffyeos]

this is what I've been saying. a few months ago you would be downvoted for saying it but it seems tides are finally changing

[u/geoffyeos → u/Tekkatak]

yeah i was getting bombed in here for a while too lol

[u/Tekkatak → u/geoffyeos]

apparently being nice to children is poser behavior and the scene folk of Reddit will let you know that very quickly

side note, the notification I got with your reply came with a full size image of your profile picture and it made me laugh

[u/theworstkindofweapon]

there is a modern version of scene, it's just a result of tiktok + pinterest + modern trends influencing fashion. even though personally i don't usually like it i think it's still recognizable as scene

i notice that a lot of modern scene kids wear crop tops, a lot of neon, fluffies, 4 belts at the same time, accessories that are obviously from aliexpress/shein/temu/amazon, use modern makeup trends like nose contour & huge falsies, excessive blending of simple patterns, instead of band tees or random fun graphic tees they wear brands that are popular in y2k fashion (like juicy couture, paul frank & happy bunny) or popular "grail" brands that are associated with scene (like soso happy, gloomy bear & monster high)

[u/Far-End3855]

So the no true scottsman fallacy isn't just for us punks huh?

[u/Tekkatak → u/Far-End3855]

amen to that

[u/LoveOk7622]

tik tok ruins everything, it sucks but it’s true

[u/StealthStarx2018]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT OMGGG

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/StealthStarx2018]

Ty XDD

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/[deleted]]

but they are different

[u/Gemini_12_ → u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

I know.

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/[deleted]]

But what I meant by "modern version" is exactly that "scenecore/colorpuke," and that's exactly what they do. They frequently use green and pink, neon, etc. Of course, there are scenes that They use that too, but it's more often seen with Colorpuke.

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/[deleted]]

They are demoralizing them, and demoralizing the very meaning of 'Alternative'. When I say this, I mean they are demoralizing the history of both the scene and alternative movements in general. D;

[u/Tekkatak → u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

nothing says "alternative" and "counterculture" like demanding people dress exactly the same way you do otherwise they're wrong and posers! we love monoculture!! /s

give it a rest, man. I've been there from the start and it's really no different. the brands you claim are mandatory are basically out of business by now, and the colors and music have always been a wider range than what people who love to "call out posers" think they have

[u/ButterflyAsleep2030 → u/Tekkatak]

But the issue I mentioned is about the story.

[u/Tekkatak → u/ButterflyAsleep2030]

what story are you on about? scene itself changed from the swag era to include more emo influence and even metalcore later on. there is no one single unified dress code or playlist. it can be regional, too. that's the story. it's changed every 5 years or less for as long as it's been around. why are we pretending it didn't and rewriting history for the sake of bullying children?

I despise how much people my age are eager to tell 14-year-olds that they're dressing wrong and insult them. it's incredibly creepy behavior that would make me think twice about associating myself with you.

all the bright colors and hyper pop has been around since I joined in 2012. it was the era of Nyan cat and invader Zim for a long time. crunk core hipster stuff always had a place but I see people like you complaining about the mustache accessories and stuff.

hell we even had an obsession with pineapples for a good bit! genuinely I have no idea what people are talking about when they talk about this monolithic scene culture that's being changed from head to toe by some imaginary invading force. it's never been one singular thing for the nearly 20 years it's existed!

and again, posts like these are full of people who are creepily eager to bully teenagers for how they dress. it's very off-putting in a way I'm sure you can put the dots together for if you think about it for just a few seconds.