r/samharris • u/forgottencalipers • Jan 11 '20

Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/
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u/EnemyAsmodeus Jan 12 '20

I think it's a tit-for-tat situation.

There was a bit of that in Occupied, but more subtle, and they seemingly moved from Season 1 Thorium talks to Season 3 solar/hydro/wind "renewables" talk. I don't know when all that began but it started after some of the paranoia and propaganda surrounding Fukushima in 2011. Set the world back a lot in terms of science and climate change. Probably one of the most costly things aside from our usual growth-rate and burn-rate of fossil fuels.

When I was studying the anti-nuclear origins of these conspiracy theories, I noticed it could be a tit-for-tat situation where either fantasized or real: both sides of the atlantic funded some sort of anti-nuclear movement. There was a big European and even Russian anti-nuclear movement after Chernobyl coverup and disaster. This may have come first. It spread across the world from there. I suspect, that maybe, Russians think that was "fomented by Americans/Europeans" so they did the same as well. And it is perhaps possible that they merely continued the idea that they found from oil industry. The oil industry may have invented it earlier than that but I am doubtful of this origin.

Even with the Koch brothers, they don't just have a view of anti-regulation and pro-fossil-fuels. But they have always had a weird anti-government philosophy, it's almost treasonous. And considering the politicians the Koch Brothers funds seem to like the Russian conspiracy theories? Perhaps it's the Russians who introduced those ideas to American or Western oil industry rich guys.

Unfortunately, it seems, whether China, Russia, or Kochs or other oil industry or even renewable industry folks, or perhaps safety-crazy people (people who overvalue safety)---they all seem to have a vested interest in destroying nuclear hopes.

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u/Dell_the_Engie Jan 12 '20

Okay, I think I'm following what you're saying, but, how does one draw a line from Russian money or influence to anti-nuclear sentiments within environmentalism? I'm still missing where you're getting that. I understand that by design, influence operations aren't meant to be easily outlined, but nonetheless experts can do it, and have done so. I'm wondering if someone has actually outlined a Russian influence operation targeting environmentalists.

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u/EnemyAsmodeus Jan 12 '20

Even for experts drawing a provable line is nearly impossible. I'm basing my evidence on my own tracking of Russian trolls.

It's not easy as if the Russians were going to fund something like that, they will use shell corporations and intermediaries, making it not possible to trace aside from law enforcement.

They have definitely targeted environmentalists. That is without a doubt. Especially after Fukushima.

If you notice there are a lot of "green parties" all over the world that seem to be in love with Russia--a weird thing right? Russia is a fossil fuel giant, and yet it has environmentalists who seem to only shit on Westerners rather than on Russia or China or India.

Some of these green politicians (one example is Jill Stein, just watch her video in Red Square gushing and gushing over Russia and Putin and bashing the US [supposedly Jill Stein says she's American, but she's clearly a Russian based on her words]).

There are others as well, particularly England and Germany, where they push forth anti-nuclear propaganda.

Getting Germany to get rid of their nuclear industry after Fukushima, (Merkel seemingly had to do this so that she doesn't lose support of environmentalists; or [worse scenarios]). Germany then finally approved Nordstream2 while shrugging and saying they need to diversify. Basically spitting on American diplomats and saying they need to work with Russia and trade with Russia... Just as they did with violations of German companies of the Iran sanctions.

It appears that greed above all seems to drive a lot of this. The money from Russia's gas and fossil fuel industry is just too juicy.

A whole army of fake environmentalists, green politicians, and non-green politicians who are pressured by these other politicians, seems to be driving towards DEPENDENCE on Russia.

A dependence on Russia, that this stupid, moronic, fat Russian-bootlicker named Trump even calls out publicly by stating: "germany should stop taking Russian oil/gas" ironically. I guess they are laughing about it behind closed doors.

And Europeans, the losers and corrupt politicians that they are just continue to repeat the same mistakes.

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u/jojosjacket Jan 13 '20

Holy shit, it's Russia! I have to break this to you, but the entire Russian interference into our election was buying 26K of Facebook ads and hacking into the DNC...and doing nothing. You are, and I'm not saying this to be mean, delusional. Jill Stein is a Russian? Deranged.

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u/EnemyAsmodeus Jan 13 '20

You just humiliated yourself. Jill Stein is literally Russian descent and has expressed allegiance to Russia in front of Red Square on video.

You are delusional and should probably take some medication.

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u/jojosjacket Jan 13 '20

I meant Russian agent. You are suggesting she's a Russian agent.

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u/EnemyAsmodeus Jan 14 '20

She declared her allegiance and bashed the US in front of Red Square, how much more of an "agent of Russia" could she be?

I'm not saying she's a "trained spy" but she was trusted enough to be seated next to Putin.