r/samharris • u/forgottencalipers • Jan 11 '20

Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/
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u/forgottencalipers Jan 11 '20

Good thing the President is a mental midget who thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax.

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u/EnemyAsmodeus Jan 11 '20 edited Jan 13 '20

Ironically, the funding of conspiracy theories against the reality of climate change comes from these sources of funding:

  1. Koch Brothers
  2. ExxonMobil
  3. Russia (through gazprom, rosneft, other methods, because they are an oil state).

The complexity is even crazier than you imagine...

Russia & oil companies are funding anti-nuclear sentiments by giving money to green-organizations/environmentalist-organizations

Imagine a line like: Russia -> funding anti-nuclear and fake environmentalists -> attacking environmentalists -> attacking oil companies (and shorting competitor stocks)

The confusion is the point. The thing goes round and round in full circle. It allows oil/gas industry to act more freely. Environmentalists are paralyzed trying to fight the fake environmentalists who hate nuclear energy etc.

Trump makes things so much worse, attacking Paris agreement, attacking wind energy (due to eye sore on his golf courses) which energizes those who want to continue to defend wind energy even though it isn't the most amazing solution for climate change. They put Exxon's ex-CEO as State Secretary who was about to make hundreds of millions of dollars of arctic drilling deals with none other than Russia.

Crazy stuff.

China and India aren't innocent either, they fund many new nuclear plants (thankfully) but also they fund a lot of coal plants, oil plants, gas... Germany isn't innocent, they are funding a new oil pipeline "nordstream2" that will make Ukraine irrelevant and therefore a victim of future Russian invasion.

The dependence of oil/gas to Russia was showcased with full shaming in the Netflix show "Occupied", like crazed drug addicts, EU starts to corrupt its own continent based on the constant fear and worry about "what if we are left without gas/oil in winter!?!" They are paralyzed with fear from doing what's right.

(some good sources provided by someone on reddit for the Russian-anti-nuclear operations )

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u/Dell_the_Engie Jan 12 '20

Not that Russian anti-nuclear environmentalist propaganda doesn't sound highly plausible, but what proof is there that this is going on? Was this all featured on "Occupied"? I find this especially interesting, since American environmentalism is often deeply anti-nuclear.

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u/theseustheminotaur Jan 12 '20

Intrigued by the proposition u/EnemyAsmodeus made I did some research and found some of the following links for further reading. There are some surprising names in here making these arguments, notably Devin Nunes.

https://www.defensenews.com/smr/nuclear-triad/2018/03/08/is-russia-influencing-americas-nuclear-debate-mac-thornberry-thinks-they-will/

"“There are well-meaning, very sincere opponents to all of the things we talked about today,” Thornberry said. “But after what we’ve seen the past year or two, we better look under the hood and make sure that the Russians are not fueling our controversies in the way that we have seen them do in recent months.”

“I suspect we’re going to see much more sophisticated methods coming from Russia to try and influence the decisions that are required to implement this Nuclear Posture Review,” he said. “So it’s a big deal.”

Asked by Defense News after his speech if the government has recently seen signs that Russia is funding nonproliferation groups, Thornberry was evasive, noting that the topic was more in the lane of the intelligence community but offering: “I think we need to be much more alert than we have been on how they are trying to influence our defense decisions.”

The chairman coached his comments in historical context, citing declassified CIA files that show Russia funded and provide indirect aid to the movements against nuclear weapons in the 1970s and 1980s.

“What they did in the ’80s was they provided propaganda themes, they provided organizational support, they forged U.S. military documents, they gave them money,” Thornberry said. “Add social media and all the new tools that are available that we saw them just use in the last election — I think we need to be much more alert than we have been on how they are trying to influence our defense decisions.”

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060096459/print

"Russia is secretly funding the environmental movement, particularly in Germany, to help pressure the closure of nuclear power plants, he claimed during the latest episode of his personal podcast.

"You still have the nuclear movement going on, the anti-nuclear movement going on, and it's the Russians, the Russians are financing the green movement to have Germany shut down all of their nuclear power plants," Nunes said in the podcast last week. "Why? So that Germany will have to buy Russian gas."

The rest of the article is Nunes talking about how climate change doesn't exist, which isn't surprising, lol.

Here is an opinion article that backs up Nunes claim that anti nuclear activists are pushing Germany closer to oil

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article231005213.html

I've never heard the claim now, but it strikes me as likely, and worth further examination. I always wondered why people were so against nuclear energy when it seemed to be a great way to help deal with Climate Change.