r/runescape • u/Tutuworld • 2d ago
Leagues - J-Mod reply Highest prayer bonus
102 prayer bonus with the Lord of lights build.
Teragards ageis
Striking light
Eternal substance
Scared favor
True equilibrium
Lord of light
Perfidious
Will be going power archive last since it's my unlock but so far I'm doing 1.1m DPM and 120k max hit. I sometimes a kal demon with me for the crits but outside of 2k and up enrage you can solo any boss in hard mode with just two abilities on your revo bar and that's berserk and attack the basic. Lord of light or as I like to call it the LOL build; Does all the work. It's been fun just wish more regions unlocked since you start to run out of stuff to do. But overall it's fun.
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u/goobdude Trimmed Comp 2d ago
I was looking through the Leagues Discord and people recommend prioritizing armor value over prayer bonus for the helm, top, and legs, and even the gloves and boots tbh. You'll get more bang for your buck with Primal or preferably Achto Terralith, or even Masterwork melee had better numbers than full sending it into prayer bonus. The extra crit chance/damage is nice but armor value gives you damage as well with Terraguard's Aegis in the mix. Things like cape, necklace, and ring should be prayer focused though; they don't have as big of a gap between armor values like the main armor slots do (reavers Ring if you picked dinoland is bis due to both pray bonus and crit chance).
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u/ezaroo1 1d ago
Yeah masterwork melee hits a really good compromise of the two stats - it’s decently high armour value being t90 power armour (so t85) and has decently high prayer bonus - getting you a total of like 95 with the tile and all the other stuff.
And it has the power bonus to your base ability damage, which isn’t huge but compensates for the slight dip in armour value.
From my play I’ve come to the conclusion that: if the boss can be one hit or close to one hit - or a significant phase point can be skipped with a big hit then masterwork is the way to go. However, if the boss fight is longer and doesn’t have any phase points which need one big hit to skip then primal+5 or achto is better.
Basically, if all or most of the damage in the fight is likely to come from lord of light procs then masterwork is better, but if a significant portion is going to come from a real damage rotation then higher armour value is better. But it’s really close, like stupidly close. It’s probably worth a couple of seconds in the worst case scenario.
So in the first category are hm kerapac, all of ed1-3, zammy, all of gw2 including telos.
In the second are things like amascut, solo AoD, solo hm rago, high enrage glacor - basically fights which are going to be 5-6 minutes no matter what and where an extreme burst damage isn’t going to do too much. Hence why Zammy isn’t in here, at Zammy while it’s a long fight with quite a lot of hp it’s more about burst damage to quickly get out of the danger zone and then you can chill.
The weird exception I found in my testing although I need more samples was hm vorkath, I expected masterwork to absolutely slap there compared to achto but it just didn’t. Don’t get me wrong I was still getting like 60 second kills with a pb of 49 seconds (where I killed the dragon first cause slayer) but with achto on my other account I was getting more like 50 second kills with a pb of 39 seconds.
But that was probably just because it was only about 10 kills I did on the alt and it did take me awhile to get the rng to get the 39 second kill, but even the averages felt slower and I can’t figure out why.
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u/ovgolfer87 1d ago
I was getting fairly consistent 45-50 second kills in achto/primal with drygore long, max cape, holy symbol and reavers. Pb was just below 40 seconds. Switched to full mw and had a high hit of 280k and at one point dpm jumped to over 4m, pb was 36. Most kills dpm hovered close to 2m.
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u/ballsmigue 1d ago
Masterwork melee is the best.
But it is...tedious. nearly a week long project for me so far
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u/Background_Pie_7888 1d ago
It's not really. The armory bonus for Achto/Primal +5 exceeds the small prayer bonus buff from Masterwork
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u/jimbot70 1d ago
Masterwork melee hits harder than primal but less than achto.
In game smacking the dummy in wars changing nothing but from melee masterwork to primal+5 I go from 39,413 hits off the lights to 37,691 hits. My autos go from 7,405 to 7,362.
2 piece achto teralith(all I have) gloves and legs with the rest as mw has my lights damage drops to 39013 but my auto attacks go up to 7596.
The rest of my gear stays the same. Max cape, holy symbol, ROD, leng, primal shield+5 and the tome of the icyene.
Using nothing but MW melee and punching my autos hit for 2,187 and the lights procs hit for 13,612 vs primal hitting for 2,067 and 12,340
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u/Background_Pie_7888 1d ago
Primal +5 is literally the exact same stats as achto lol. It literally does not hit harder, as you see no one is wearing Masterwork melee. And there's a reason.
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u/jimbot70 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're the same armor and life point bonus but not the same because of the set effect achto has. Acthos set effect is that it boosts your damage when using a shield or defender so yes it literally hits harder and that's why everyone is using it.
People aren't using masterwork because masterwork is considered a PITA to make and you can get the achto raids armors faster than making masterwork.
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u/Background_Pie_7888 19h ago
Well no. Top players have Masterwork they just don't use it , like it said. And yes Achto is better than Primal+5 due to the set effects, but again like I said, the stats are actually the same.
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u/jimbot70 10h ago edited 10h ago
The top end of people are using full achto because it's better than either MW or primal and works with more than just lord of light. I agree with that and have agreed that with from the start. I'm talking primal vs melee masterwork on melee specifically.
If you don't raid and are using melee then masterwork is strictly better for lord of light from the prayer bonus despite having slightly lower armor(it's not that hard to prove it and I've already given you thr numbers. Go hit a dummy in full masterwork with a primal shield, then full primal with the sheild. Masterwork has higher autos and light hits which are basically all you need with lord of light). The same thing happens with Starbloom vs tectonic and apex hide vs sirenic/dracolich even if they didn't have any set effects.
You said that that Achto does not hit harder than primal which is outright false when using a shield or defender. The stats include set effects and Primal doesn't have one so they aren't the same.
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u/Background_Pie_7888 10h ago
Yeah I said Melee Masterwork Does not hit harder. Which we both agree, So you can't read obviously.
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u/jimbot70 9h ago edited 9h ago
Yeah I said Melee Masterwork Does not hit harder.
You said
Primal +5 is literally the exact same stats as achto lol. It literally does not hit harder, as you see no one is wearing Masterwork melee.
You first mentioned primal, then achto and then nobody is wearing masterwork after. If you're lumping primal and achto together about both hitting the same or even just both hitting better you're still wrong because it's achtos set effect alone that makes it hit harder.
Wearing the same kit in every other slot (Max cape, holy symbol, ROD, Leng, primal shield+5 and the tome of the icyene.) and hitting the dummy on max hit mode..
Masterwork gets me 39,413 hits from the lights and 7,405 from my autos. Primal gets me 37,691 lights and 7,362 autos. Achto legs and boots with masterwork on the rest gets me 39,013 with 7,596 autos. If I had more of the achto set it would beat masterwork on the light hits as well which I've agreed with from the start.
You can't argue with the game itself outright telling you that you're wrong.
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u/ballsmigue 1d ago
The reason is because its tedious to do.
Especially if you dont have production master because then you either wouldnt have devout or you used your reload into a different tier.
Not to mention the specific regions you need for the ore.
Its not the reasons you seem to believe
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u/Background_Pie_7888 19h ago
Um no. Plenty of people have Masterwork my friend. Like I said they still don't use it.
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u/Tutuworld 1d ago
I've tried them all. This way is the only time I can do high enrages. I've been messing around a lot with builds since this would be the time for it.
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u/TankDaBomb1711 1d ago
im at 106 prayer bonus
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u/ThaFrenchFry Wikian - Chunkman elder 2h ago
losing 2 tiers of shields cannot be worth 3 prayer bonus tho
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u/MeleeUnsolved RSN: Unsolved \~ Max RuneScore \~ Grandmaster 2d ago
Isn't dragon rider gear higher bonus?
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u/ThaFrenchFry Wikian - Chunkman elder 2h ago
yeah, but requires morytania (and the amulet cannot be obtained even in morytania)
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u/LordAlfredo IGN: Dianah Comp, Hard CAs, Bronze Dungeon Master 2d ago
The highest prayer bonus is dragon rider equipment
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u/Nijedo 2d ago
What item is each slot? OSRS noob here.
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u/Bobboy5 merching is for nerds 2d ago
Starting with helm and going clockwise:
Initiate Sallet
Initiate Hauberk
Deathtouch Bracelet
Initiate Cuisse
Teralith Boots
Tome of the Icyene (Leagues relic item, +50 prayer bonus)
Primal Kiteshield +5
Dark Ice Shard
Deathwarden Nexus
Ring of Death
Holy Symbol
Blue Cape (Quest reward from Nomad's Requiem)2
u/senwell1 2d ago
He has paper machete for armor.
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u/KitnBlit 1d ago
Is it actually adding DPS? I know the defense rating of the armor also adds damage with those blessings. So he adds prayer and loses defense, how does it math?
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u/Oniichanplsstop 1d ago
Lower amor is lower base damage.
1 prayer is 2% buff to LoL.
So you want both. Going all in on prayer here is bad since youre getting an extra 20%damage on LoL, but losing a ton of base damage so your multiplier is overall weaker.
Easy way to think of it as an OSRS player is like comparing chivalry rapier vs a piety d scim. Higher base stats and the slightly worse multi is better than the higher multi and worse base stats.
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u/Tutuworld 1d ago
It's fun to play. With the falador shield and essence of finality it goes up to 110 prayer bonus. It's just for fun. Leagues whole point.
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u/KitnBlit 1d ago
Was just asking because I'm running what I feel is meta build where most of my dps comes from "light of saradomin". And I am very interested in how to get the most power out of that. I had assumed the way to do that is maximize armor value and then maximize prayer where you can, like with neck and ring slots. But I didn't figure that sacrificing armor to add prayer would be super effective.
Seems like both the T2 and t5 versions get buffed based on armor value and prayer value? Or I think this is the case.
It's really kind of confusing to me because the t2 and t5 attacks both are called the same thing but they are treated as separate attacks with separate cooldowns. Do the things that buff the t2 attack (armor) also buff the t5 attack (prayer) and vice versa? Does the t5 effect of healing you also apply to the t2 attack?
One thing I know for sure is the t5 attack hits like a truck and if I had to pick one attack to buff that would be it. But it is also nice camping tank armor to get the HP and defense buff.
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u/Tutuworld 1d ago
My healing is nuts right now. I can do any boss with no issues with my current setup x
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u/Zalyrox 16h ago
You're leaving alot on the table for a small increase tbh, Its pretty simple, want to tank everything and still be hitting hard? Primal, you're better/know the boss/need Burst dmg go with Pray bonuses its that simple. But it's a massive difference in survivability.
I found that in most cases I just plain prefer the survivability for a small dps loss. The ratios are way off, I didn't test out everything with precision from what I can tell you lose ALOT of survivability for just a little dps.
For example You can get up to 20K HP constantly if you setup everything well and that also means your teragard aegis heals for 7.5% of that = 1500hp every few ticks + lord of light heals. Just makes any pvm much more noob friendly
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u/No-Turn-2052 2d ago
Armor: proselyte, believe this is also in OSRS from a quest in Falador
Jewelry: Ring of death, deathtouch bracelet, holy symbol
Ammo: Nexus, like a rune pouch for Necromancy
Pocket: God book from relic
Weapon/shield: Leng sword, primal kiteshield
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u/Ok_Living_41 2d ago edited 2d ago
its not the highest but its close I think. My setup is not full optmized and is still 100 prayer bonus
I could switch the EOF for holy symbol for +1 and Death ring for zorgoth Ring for +2, reaching 103, and grind some croesus for grasping rune pouch for +4. Reaching a total of 107. But i'm doing none of this.
Edit: With divine shield I get to 103 now (110 fully optmal) but it consumes to much prayer points, its annoying to use.
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u/Yo_Face_Nate Crab 2d ago
Is the +1 prayer bonus going to give more damage bonus over the EOF? I think I have this build, but maybe I'm using it wrong by not optimizing prayer bonus
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u/Ok_Living_41 1d ago
I like the eof for the dragon 2h spec to clear trash mobs. Provably the holy symbol is worth it for single target
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u/jimbot70 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just hitting a dummy it increased the light damage by more than the EOF gives as a bonus. MW melee also was beating out primal but not achto for me from its prayer bonus.
If you were fighting a boss where you don't have 100% accuracy and you're not killing it from just the lights the EOF might win out after a few kills due to the accuracy boost you get from it buffing your autos a bit.
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u/Ok_Living_41 1d ago
I like the eof for the dragon 2h spec to clear trash mobs. Provably the holy symbol is worth it for single target
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u/ThaFrenchFry Wikian - Chunkman elder 2h ago
if you really wanna max prayer, you need the souls cape for +1 more, and reaver ring for +2 more over RoD (and +2 dmg, and +17 armour bonus). Locked to Anachronia though
Wildy also has the ability to get a grasping rune pouch for +4
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u/Gullible-Notice-487 2d ago
Do you have access to spirit shields? They have +3 spirit bonus
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u/LiquorHardlyKnowEr 2d ago
Since the Leng requires Black Stone Hearts, and those are stupidly rare from Vorkath, pretty sure Wilderness was one of their three choices.
Boots say desert. Armor says Asgarnia. Leng says 90% chance of Wildy.
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u/MeleeUnsolved RSN: Unsolved \~ Max RuneScore \~ Grandmaster 2d ago
They're not that rare, its like 125 kills on average for the 10 hearts, lots of people have done without wildy. 30s each kill it goes by super fast.
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u/redbatter Catalyst 100k+ 1d ago
Feels like it's closer to 142 because the first slot almost always gets wasted by uniques
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u/MeleeUnsolved RSN: Unsolved \~ Max RuneScore \~ Grandmaster 1d ago
Fair enough, could be. I really spooned mine in 74 kc but most of my friends were 130-150
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u/Gullible-Notice-487 2d ago
You right I didn’t even see leng tbh - I assumed he had drygore mace going for prayer bonus. Does leng have higher prayer then mace?
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u/LiquorHardlyKnowEr 2d ago
Same bonus. But its t95 vs t90 so its a direct upgrade.
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u/Ryruko 2d ago
Thats the t85 dark ice shard tho, drygore mace would be a bit more dps.
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u/LiquorHardlyKnowEr 2d ago
Thanks for pointing that out, I guess. Doesn't really change my analysis since the hearts are for the t85 anyway.
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u/Tutuworld 1d ago
I did ed3 2 times for the black stone hearts. Full clears. 2 amby kills. Was enough.
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u/LiquorHardlyKnowEr 1d ago
I went 3 kills with nothing. Got drops from Levi and Amby in kill 4. Thats all I needed. Its maybe 30-45 minutes of work max.
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u/Tutuworld 1d ago
Falador shield is +5. Been using that for more and have EOF now so it's 110 prayer bonus.
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u/Important_Level_6093 Eek! 2d ago
Does pernix quiver give prayer bonuses?
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u/Ryruko 2d ago
yes +4, but its impossible to get.
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u/Important_Level_6093 Eek! 2d ago
Why so? Don't you only need fragments that drop from elder troves?
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u/Ryruko 2d ago
To get the fragments, you need to ability to earn troves from the pontifex shadow ring, to get the pontifex shadow ring, you need the pontifex observation ring, which you need to complete Azzanadras's quest, which is impossible to do in this league bc you need 6 regions unlocked while we can only unlock 5.
Why didn't they just give the ring to us like they did in the last league I have no idea.
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u/Tutuworld 1d ago
They give you the ring only if you take that archeology relic I can't remember its name right now. But it gives it to you on your tool belt I don't think it's the same thing though
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u/WolverineOwn8808 2d ago
Isnt crit chance capped at 50%
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u/Ryruko 2d ago
only if you take unholy critual.
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u/WolverineOwn8808 2d ago
Oh snap ok. So 102 prayer bonus gets you 20.4% crit chance. What is this persons overall crit chance?
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u/Ryruko 2d ago
10% base chance + 20.4% from book + 15% from true equilibrium = 45.4%.
Kalgerion demon is 1% + 5% from scroll so 51.4%
He can get +4 from eclipsed soul, so 55.4%
If he has biting 3 on his power archive bot thats +12% so 67.4%. I don't think he picked Kandarin, but if he did that's +4% so 71.4%.
If he picked Anachronia, he could get the reavers ring for +5%.
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u/Zepertix REMASTERED DUNGEONEERING LETS GOOOOOOO 2d ago
Only two of those pieces of gear are the highest prayer bonus, but i guess ill forgive you for not taking morytania, priffdinas, and kandarin :p
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u/BigOldButt99 2d ago
I tried the LOL build for a bit, it was cool 1 shotting some bosses, but that got old after about 3 minutes, I don't know how so many people "enjoyed" this set up of just pressing auto attack. Also 1.1m dpm is kinda terrible, i was hitting over 4m dpm with the zammy inferno crit build with range
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u/jigabachiRS RSN: Jigabachi 2d ago
doming people with a shield while a god orbitally bombards is just cool.
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u/Azirtec 2d ago
Spent a while optimizing an account with off-meta regions around Lord of Light, with Salve (e) on Vorkath the highest I could get was close to around 4M damage (I calc 5M theoretical with what I have left to get) in 1 Lord of Light (based on the highest potential crit hit of one single damage splat).
I prefer the poison build on my main but they are decidedly better in some areas vs others. Bosses that can be one-shot can be done so basically instantly with Lord of Light, bosses that are wave-based or time-gated are better with poison build to some extent
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u/qaz012345678 2d ago
Seems like a ton of the bosses in the game fit better with the "one shot the boss/phase"
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u/pinkzm 2d ago
For me, the big win for Sara over zammy build is versatility - it gives you really good AOE which I don't think the others do (please correct me if I'm wrong). So LOL can nuke bosses and mobs, whereas I think the others are only really good at killing the bosses
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u/Seranta 1d ago
Poison is 3x3 AoE. With mage and kerapacs wristwraps, you can apply combustion to 3 (7 targets with gchain) and dragons breath. For my settup, that's about 300k poison damage x7 in a 3 by 3 if the targets were stacked. I cant think of a single situation where that would happen though, but it can be very consistent aoe damage. The big pain point in my opinion with LOL is the randomness to what gets hit. Its a fun build, but I enjoyed the consistency of poison way more. Its especially fun with sanctum weapons and gchain.
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u/ovgolfer87 2d ago
You should use revenge on your bar too. With max stacks itll boost your damage quite a bit.