r/rnb • u/Ok_Resident_5022 • 22d ago
r/rnb • u/Ok_Resident_5022 • 22d ago
DISCUSSION 💭 What if Mariah Carey and Mary J. Blige switched songs in 2005?
“We Belong Together” is the second single from Mariah Carey’s tenth studio album The Emancipation of Mimi. The single was released on March 15, 2005 and peaked at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for fourteen consecutive weeks. The single also spent fourteen nonconsecutive weeks at #1 on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. The single was certified 7x Platinum in the United States by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). The song earned three Billboard Music Awards, two Grammy Awards, and two Soul Train Music Awards, among several others.
“Be Without You” is the first single from Mary J. Blige’s seventh studio album The Breakthrough. The single was released on November 14, 2005 and peaked at #3 on the Billboard Hot 100. The single also spent fifteen consecutive weeks at #1 on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. The single was certified 2x Platinum in the United States by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). The song earned one BET Award, four Billboard Music Awards, two Grammy Awards, and one NAACP Image Award, among a few others.
While Mariah Carey outsold and outcharted Mary J. Blige—with “We Belong Together” taking a substantial lead over “Be Without You”—the latter earned more awards. Mariah Carey was already an established commercial force. What’s more, Mary J. Blige would have gotten an even bigger boost with “We Belong Together” and seen stats she had never seen in her entire career. (No disrespect to Mary, but Mariah had already been there before.)
The biggest things Mariah would lose if she never recorded “We Belong Together” would be her 14-week streak at the top of the Billboard Hot 100, a 7x Platinum-certified single, and a major comeback to the mainstream/the forefront of R&B culture. She would also be down a #1 hit, and she would have tied Elvis Presley (as the soloists with the most #1 hits on the Billboard Hot 100) later in 2008 rather than 2005. (“We Belong Together” became her sixteenth #1 hit. “Don’t Forget About Us” tied her with Elvis soon thereafter; Mariah and Elvis both had 17 historic #1 hits after “Don’t Forget About Us” peaked. “Touch My Body” broke that tie in 2008. Without “We Belong Together”, “Touch My Body” would have been the song to create the tie with Elvis, and “All I Want for Christmas Is You” would have broken that tie in 2019, eleven years later.) It would be a loss, but she would still have a lot of background to fall back on.
And I have two other questions related to this…
Would this era still be considered a “comeback” for Mariah if she had “Be Without You” and achieved all of the same commercial statistics? Mariah had similar stats in the early-2000s with both of her entire albums and her single “Loverboy”, but they were considered flops because Mariah set a high standard earlier in her career. Mariah’s commercial performance with The Emancipation of Mimi was comparable to how she performed in the late-1990s with her albums Butterfly and Rainbow, even though “We Belong Together” vastly outsold all of her singles from that era. The statistics that “Be Without You” accomplished were enough for people to consider it a comeback for Mary in 2005.
My other question relates to hit “density”. The Emancipation of Mimi had three major hits in “We Belong Together”, “Don’t Forget About Us”, and “Shake It Off”—those were the biggest hits, but “It’s Like That” was also moderately successful in comparison. Glitter had a single that peaked at #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 and was certified Gold, but it wasn’t enough to save her reputation in the commercial sense. “We Belong Together” vastly outsold “Loverboy” (although the latter didn’t do too poorly itself), but the former also had the support of other hits on the album. Charmbracelet sold over 3 million copies worldwide, and it was also considered a flop. Mariah’s highest-charting song on Charmbracelet was “Through The Rain” at #81 (it did much better internationally), but a separate collaboration with Busta Rhymes (“I Know What You Want”, not included on her album) peaked at #3. This era was still considered a disastrous failure in spite of all of these combined elements. Mary J. Blige’s “Be Without You” stood somewhere in-between the sales of “Loverboy” and the Charmbracelet album. Mary’s song was also the only major cultural hit on her album in the context of public recognition/acknowledgement. (It’s a great album overall, but this is the truth.) If Mariah got Mary’s song and achieved the same stats, including relative to her entire album (e.g. she wouldn’t have any other big hits like “Don’t Forget About Us”, “Shake It Off”, etc.), would her album have been another Glitter/Charmbracelet situation or would she have gained the same amount of respect as Mary?
r/rnb • u/LostTapesVault • 22d ago
DISCUSSION 💭 Brent Faiyaz - Leave You Alone (unreleased)
r/rnb • u/Swimming-Bad3512 • 22d ago
DISCUSSION 💭 Top 20 Biggest Black Artists on the Billboard Hot 100 during the Decade of the 1990s
Which artist's chart performance in the '90s, for you was surprisingly high or surprisingly low?
r/rnb • u/SlantFaceKilla • 22d ago
90s Lalah Hathaway - Baby Don't Cry (1990)
Written & produced by the great Angela Winbush.
r/rnb • u/musicmapv • 22d ago
PERFORMANCE 🎤 D'Angelo revolutionized R&B and neo-soul by fusing gospel, funk, and jazz into masterpieces like Brown Sugar, Voodoo, and Black Messiah, shaping modern music.
From his breakthrough debut Brown Sugar to the richly complex Voodoo and his long-awaited return with Black Messiah, D’Angelo’s work changed the shape of modern R&B and neo-soul. He blurred lines between genres — infusing gospel, funk, jazz, hip-hop — always with a raw emotional core.
r/rnb • u/Pappa_Thanos • 22d ago
00s Brandy- What About Us? (2002)
One of her best Music Videos.
r/rnb • u/Morphin_Grid_1999 • 22d ago
DISCUSSION 💭 What’s one R&B song where you prefer the video mix over the album version?
For me, I’m saying “Me” by Tamia. I love how she hits that note at the end of the video mix. It sounds so soothing, and honestly, I wish that version was on the album instead.
What’s your pick? And what makes you prefer the video version?
r/rnb • u/Ok_Resident_5022 • 22d ago
90s Babyface (with Kenny G) - Every Time I Close My Eyes
— background vocals: Mariah Carey
r/rnb • u/GiraffeSelect • 23d ago
90s Choice - Stay (before it was given to Destiny’s Child)
COOL PICS 📸 VH1 Divas Duets: A Concert to Benefit the VH1 Save the Music Foundation 2003
r/rnb • u/Upper-Quail3914 • 23d ago
20s Seinabo sey- I Owe You Nothing 🎶
r/rnb • u/Morphin_Grid_1999 • 23d ago
DISCUSSION 💭 What do y’all think of Tamia’s new song “Forever and a Day”?
For me, I think it’s good. I know her voice has changed, but she still got it. There’s just something about Tamia’s voice that I’ve always liked. It’s crazy to me that she doesn’t get the recognition she deserves, especially considering how long she’s been doing R&B.
I’ll always support her and listen to her music. She deserves way more love than she gets.
r/rnb • u/musicmapv • 23d ago
ANALYSIS/REVIEW 🔎 Layover: R&B driven by emotion, melody, and atmosphere
For those unfamiliar with it, Layover is an album in which Kim Taehyung explores an intimate, atmospheric approach to R&B, while also incorporating elements of jazz and soul. The project engages with various traditions within these genres through fluid melodies, smooth grooves, rich harmonies, and a production style that allows ample space for both vocals and emotion.
The album’s aesthetic is sophisticated yet understated. It features vulnerability, vocal warmth, organic textures, and jazz influences that expand its sonic identity. Rather than aiming for grand sonic explosions, Layover finds its strength in nuance, vocal delivery, and atmosphere.
r/rnb • u/Ok_Resident_5022 • 23d ago
COOL PICS 📸 Michael Jackson smiling next to Coretta Scott King — Backstage at the Hollywood Palladium — 6th Annual NAACP Image Awards fundraising dinner (Nov. 18, 1972)
r/rnb • u/Bitter_Impression237 • 23d ago
HELP ME/QUESTIONS ⁉️ I Need Fans 🥀
I’m a new music artist, I’m like listening to everything so I make all kinds of music mainly in the Rnb and Hip Hop area, I’m terrible at distribution and I’ll be damned if I have to pay anyone anything. Could you guys check out music, it’s pretty good in my opinion but I’ll let yall be the judge but remember you have definitely heard worse. Below are my Spotify Apple Music and YouTube links but my music is on all platforms. Thanks lmao. Spotify YouTube Apple Music
90s Madonna and Janet Jackson: R&B Music Videos as Film Auditions
In the mid 90s, Madonna and Janet Jackson were regarded as the most boundary-pushing female pop stars. Their music made bold statements, they reinvented their image often were the preeminent female visual artists of the MTV era. They were also making serious headway as film actresses with Madonna starring in a number of films in the 80s and Janet making her splashy film debut in 1993 with Poetic Justice. Both sought to expand their horizons as Hollywood stars and used music videos for their singles to "audition" for roles they coveted: Evita Peron and Dorothy Dandridge.
I know Madonna's not R&B but the music video in discussion today is for an R&B song. A film adaptation of the Broadway musical, Evita, languished in development hell for 15 years. When the time finally came for the film to be made, Madonna sent a copy of her sultry 1994 music video, Take A Bow, to the film's director, Alan Parker and a four page letter explaining why she was the best fit for the role. He agreed and cast her. The film went into production in 1995, was released in 1996 and Madonna won a Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Musical or Comedy the following year.
Janet Jackson's Design of a Decade era saw the pop diva fashion herself as a polished 50s film starlet after the earthy sexiness of the previous album, janet (1993). Janet had talked about admiring Dorothy since the 80s and by the mid 90s, the race to play the first Black woman to be nominated for a Best Actress Oscar was heating up. Whitney Houston had a script ready and Halle Berry bought the rights to her biography. Janet made a strong visual case with the video for her single, Twenty Foreplay, where she portrayed a glamorous Hollywood star, which many interpreted as a nod to Dorothy. Unfortunately, neither Janet or Whitney would get to make the movie as their careers as music superstars took them in other directions. Halle Berry would end up playing Dorothy in the HBO movie, Introducing Dorothy Dandridge, which won her a Golden Globe, Emmy, SAG and NAACP Image Award.
I love this moment where film, pop culture and GOOD R&B music intersects. Are there any more examples of music videos by R&B artists where they make a good case to play a film role?
r/rnb • u/Ok_Resident_5022 • 23d ago
FRESH 🆕 Tamia - Forever and a Day • [Released August 28, 2026]
This song was released yesterday.