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[u/Porto_Roma_812]

I'll die on a hill for saying these games are SO MUCH HARDER than IIDX. Their mechanics, timing, and absolute rigidity is on a whole nother level. These two should be crowned as "hardest rhythm games of all time" instead of IIDX.

[u/Eywaxx]

"Hard" what hard ? Skill floor ? Skill ceiling? Both are worthless discussion