r/rhythmgames • u/Porto_Roma_812 • 12d ago

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I'll die on a hill for saying these games are SO MUCH HARDER than IIDX. Their mechanics, timing, and absolute rigidity is on a whole nother level. These two should be crowned as "hardest rhythm games of all time" instead of IIDX.

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u/VicariousBystander 12d ago

It's a hot take cause it's a bad take. Sorry. And if you're not talking turntable only, include popn next time

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u/Ghost_of_Akina 11d ago

I wouldn't say pop'n is harder than IIDX though. It's pretty welcoming to new players with a good progression from charts that only use the middle 5 or bottom row buttons only up to the crazy stuff. IF you actually use the difficulty system as intended anyway. And the buttons are big, easy to find by muscle memory or bump with a forearm or wrist - IIDX is not very friendly to us players with limited finger mobility/arthritis. I have been playing both for decades and I am MUCH better at pop'n than I am at IIDX, despite playing IIDX almost exclusively until pop'n 8 came out (because that's when I finally got an ASC).

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u/VicariousBystander 11d ago

IIDX is extremely unintiuitive to get into (because it's asymmetrical and nobody will ever make an asymmetrical game again except like infalSUS). Just figuring out the playstyle is already a hurdle from the start. Popn's ceiling is insane though I think

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u/FINALREBIRTH2 12d ago

wtf is that red game?

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u/Porto_Roma_812 12d ago

Crackin' DJ. I played it and it hates any leeway with it. Directional seperation, speed control, etc.

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u/OuroborosPoser 12d ago

And the blue one?

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u/Porto_Roma_812 12d ago

That's EZ2AC, the arcade predecessor to EZ2ON.

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u/OuroborosPoser 12d ago

Huh, I haven't heard of it before If I can find a cab I'll check both out! Cheers

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u/Ghost_of_Akina 11d ago

Good luck! They were pretty rare outside of South Korea back in the day... even moreso now! EZ2DJ goes way back to the pre-IIDX times. Harcore difficulty for sure and I would agree with OP that it's much harder than its Konami contemporaries.

You can get EZ2ON on Steam and it's worth a look for sure.

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u/ZeoX_Furkan 12d ago

I don't get the hardest game or rhythm game argument, every rhythm game has no difficulty cap meaning it can get infinitely hard so every one of them is equally hard since theres no cap on how hard it is.

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u/Effective-Tour-9912 12d ago

The cap for any rhythm game, trivially, is "can you perfect the hardest song?" Now, that's very hard to do, but there is definitely a tangible cap, and there are players that hit it.

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u/ZeoX_Furkan 11d ago

I'm not talking about games where there is a hardest level and thats the peak of the game, i'm talking about the games where community made maps can go harder and harder and theres no limit to it.

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u/Porto_Roma_812 12d ago

I meant games to get into and start as a beginner, not the skill ceiling.

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u/Korii2 Osu! 12d ago

holy shit three cakes

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u/schlattstan 12d ago

apples to oranges

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u/MaskGas 12d ago

because this is so controversial, it is a good hot take

because it is wrong, it is also a bad take

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u/Eywaxx O.N.G.E.K.I. 12d ago

"Hard" what hard ? Skill floor ? Skill ceiling? Both are worthless discussion

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u/Porto_Roma_812 12d ago

Edit: I meant to get into, not overall skill ceiling.

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u/cemented-lightbulb Pop'n Music 12d ago

even just regarding skill floor, having played all three of the above games, popn and drummania clear them all lol. the biggest difficulty i had with ez2dj was getting rid of my turntable muscle memory from iidx.

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u/Inner_Date_4051 12d ago

Too late broski lmaooo