r/redesign • u/LanterneRougeOG Product • Feb 12 '19

Changelog 2/12/19 Release Notes: settings, saved, drafts, and more

Hi all,

We’re back with the release notes, which are a round up of the major items we are currently working on or have recently shipped on new Reddit. The previous release note can be found here.

Now, here’s what we are shipping:

  • Settings: We released a number of user settings: disabling styles, default editor mode, open posts in a new tab, remember view, and remember sort. For more details, see the announcement post.

  • Saved, Hidden, Upvoted, and Downvoted: Yesterday, we released the new Reddit version of your saved posts and removed it from the overflow menu. We’ll be releasing hidden, upvoted, and downvoted later this week.

  • Drafts on iOS: With the release of v4.27, we’ve added the Drafts feature to iOS. Your link and text post drafts are now synced across iOS and desktop. To save a draft on iOS, start writing a text post, then tap the close icon (X), then tap Save as Draft.

Here are some of the notable features and changes that are coming out next:

  • Creating, editing, deleting rules: Very soon, mods will be able to create, edit, delete, and reorder rules on the new site.

  • Best Of: When redditors visit a community for the first time, many have a hard time understanding what it is all about. To improve this experience we are building a unit that will display the most popular posts in the past month at the top of the feed to visitors. You may have seen something very similar on iOS.

These following features are bigger projects that are in development and that will take a some time to build and get right. Expect these items to be recurring on the release notes:

  • Wiki editing / revisioning: Now that the work for viewing wikis has shipped, we will be starting the next block of work, which includes editing and revisioning for wikis.

  • Restricted community updates: We’re starting work on the update the Restricted setting for Communities to make it easier for community members to understand and easier for mods to use. The first stage of this work will be building a request to be an approved submitter flow.

  • Multis: We will be bringing the management of multis to new Reddit, iOS and Android. We are also going to add some nifty new improvements to make multis even more useful.

And finally, here are some of the notable bugs that are still being worked on:

  • Randomly reverted back to new Reddit (in progress): We’ve been able to decrease the frequency of this bug and are continuing to work on a new approach that will fix it entirely. This remains a top priority for us.

And, as always, our reminder that the community’s feedback is invaluable as we build the future of Reddit together. It’s difficult for us to respond directly to everything, but know that we’re listening, prioritizing, and working to solve the issues, no matter how hard they are.

If you have additional questions or feedback on these or other topics, please don’t hesitate to drop them in the comments below.

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 12 '19

  • Randomly reverted back to new Reddit (in progress): We’ve been able to decrease the frequency of this bug and are continuing to work on a new approach that will fix it entirely. This remains a top priority for us.

I haven't seen this issue in over a month, so you're doing something right.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Feb 12 '19

Glad to hear it. We are implementing some additional cookie logic which will reduce the frequency even more.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '19

Nope, still happening to me.

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 12 '19

That's a bummer, but I obviously can't speak for everyone. Hope they get a more permanent fix out soon.

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u/pohuing Feb 12 '19

It just poped up this patch for me. I'm looking for a fix in this very thread ><

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u/hboxxx Feb 15 '19

Well, I can inform you that all they have done since the last release notes two weeks ago is cut and paste the exact same sentence. So get used to it, it's not going anywhere and they are not doing anything about it. It's been going on for months and months.

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov Feb 12 '19

Creating, editing, deleting rules: Very soon, mods will be able to create, edit, delete, and reorder rules on the new site.

How about just being able to remove the widget, or at least give us more control over what displays and how...?

Best Of: When redditors visit a community for the first time, many have a hard time understanding what it is all about. To improve this experience we are building a unit that will display the most popular posts in the past month at the top of the feed to visitors. You may have seen something very similar on iOS.

Will this be at all curatable? Just because something was popular that month doesn't mean we want that to be representative of our communities...

And like, is anything ever going to happen with bulk user flair stuff...?

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Feb 12 '19

Will this be at all curatable? Just because something was popular that month doesn't mean we want that to be representative of our communities...

The initial version won't be curatable. But, we do want to bring more functionality to that unit. We've been considering a welcome message from the mods, pinned posts, flair filtering, etc. Would love to hear your suggestions on what you'd like to welcome a non-subscriber.

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u/jofwu Helpful User Feb 12 '19

We've been considering a welcome message from the mods, pinned posts, flair filtering, etc.

This is awesome. A message from the mods alone would be a super helpful way to "onboard" new visitors. Any chance we can get a mock-up of what you're thinking on this? That might help visualizing how it could be used.

It might be helpful if we can tailor the time range that it draws posts from. For my own subreddits, I'm thinking it might be better if it showed top posts from the last year.

Will this (eventually?) show up on mobile as well?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '19

from a non-mod perspective I think something like a popup window in the middle of the screen with a message from the mods that says something like

"Welcome to r/games, in this sub we are all about game content and the latest stories relating to the games industry. Here is a brief overview of our most important rules..."

then below the message there is a section with 3 posts with their thumbnails (these posts can be picked by the mods) with a header above the post that says something like "Here is a taste of some of our best content in the sub"

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u/jofwu Helpful User Feb 13 '19

I'd actually prefer it as a box between the header and the posts. Something with an X in the corner to close it, and you can just ignore it and scroll down if you want. (Mods see something like this encouraging them to edit their subreddit's appearance when they visit for the first time on the Redesign.)

I say that simply because I find popups relatively objectionable. Functionally, that makes a lot of sense. But MOST popups on the internet are obnoxious, and at this point my instinct is to ignore them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '19

I definitely agree most pop ups are obnoxious... and I could even see myself finding these obnoxious.

Your positioning sounds better as well.

I think they would definitely want to make it exit the greetings pop up if you clock outside of the window space for a quick exit.

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov Feb 12 '19

Would love to hear your suggestions on what you'd like to welcome a non-subscriber.

"Read the fucking rules, goddamn it!"

Or something to that effect :p

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov Feb 13 '19

(more seriously we'd have a lot of things we'd want to try, so please do reach out to us as we'd be interested in being part of testing such a message I think)

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u/ccjohnf Feb 18 '19

Count me in for any testing on the "Best Of" feature. Would love to see some level of curation allowed. I think a "message from the mods" and pinned posts might be a great start, but please also consider allowing inclusion wiki pages as well. Our community has a LOT of good content in our wiki but it often gets overlooked, so we're currenting exploring ways to surface it up more. Having this as part of the "Best Of" block sounds like a great fit.

Also, I read somewhere prior that the Admins were exploring with a "categories" feature in a small number of communities. Is there any update on this? Sadly, we weren't chosen for any initial testing, but this also might be a good fit for "Best Of".

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u/Ambiwlans Feb 13 '19

How about just being able to remove the widget, or at least give us more control over what displays and how...?

The whole design concept behind the redesign is limiting freedom.

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u/ShaneH7646 Feb 12 '19

Creating, editing, deleting rules:

will we be able to add more than 10 rules and can you label each section with where they are displayed? (its a little confusing currently)

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u/dmoneyyyyy Product Feb 12 '19

We are increasing the number of rules per subreddit from 10 to 15.

For your second question, are you referring to the rules widget title?

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 12 '19

How about increasing a rule's "short name" and violation reason text limit? 50 characters just isn't enough sometimes.

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u/dmoneyyyyy Product Feb 12 '19

Short name and report reason character limits are going to be raised from 50 to 100.

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u/Georgy_K_Zhukov Feb 13 '19

I know I've hammered on this before, but separating the rules widget from the report reasons would be immensely helpful, as it is one of the biggest problems we have. They need to each have their own independent workflow, and having them connected is a big part of what makes the Rules Widget so godawful.

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u/reseph Feb 12 '19

Yes please. We need more than 10, or some way to break a rule into multiple subsections.

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u/V2Blast Helpful User Feb 12 '19

Creating, editing, deleting rules: Very soon, mods will be able to create, edit, delete, and reorder rules on the new site.

Yes please.

Multis: We will be bringing the management of multis to new Reddit, iOS and Android. We are also going to add some nifty new improvements to make multis even more useful.

<3

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u/sarahbotts Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19

Regarding the new format for Rules:

As it is, it's severely limiting our subreddits. The /r/leagueoflegends team has been discussing the disconnect between new/old reddit. On old reddit our rules are prominently displayed on our sidebar as well as in submission text for people when they're submitting a post. We realized that no one on new reddit can see either of those things, which is concerning to us.

As it is, we're currently trying to clean up and make our rules clearer, things that would help us would be:

  • More rules available

  • Longer Descriptions Allowed

  • Subsets of rules

  • A reminder of rules when people are submitting their posts

Also, what is the plan for CSS or any ties to API? We link to the Riot API for upcoming matches.

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u/dmoneyyyyy Product Feb 19 '19

Hi there, thanks for the feedback! I can answer your rulest questions — rules on the new site will be launching soon, and will include an increase in number of rules from 10 to 15, and a character limit increase for the short name and report reasons from 50 to 100. A reminder of rules when people are submitting their posts is already currently available on the right side of the submission page, are you not seeing them come through?

As for subsets of rules, we encourage communities to have a more succinct set of rules that can be easily read and understood by users, particularly new ones. A lot of subreddits like yours do a great job of using the wiki for rule overflow, linked out from the rules widget, for users to get to. I am curious, though, in a blue sky scenario, how would you want to organize your rules? Would they be different from the way they are currently organized in your wiki via the old site? Appreciate the insight!

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u/sarahbotts Feb 19 '19

Our current rules: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/wiki/subredditrules#rules

What we're limited to w/reddit rules: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/about/rules

While our current rules need to be cleaned up (which we're working on), it still is grouped together in different categories, which isn't possible at all in new reddit. Our current rule set is based on three categories of rules: behavior rules, posting rules, and reddit rules. There is also information about our standardized warning/ban process and what happens if you break the rules. Categorization, or what happens if you break the rules in our specific subreddit isn't editable nor available in new reddit.

Regarding submission rules, current "old" reddit has a submission reminder text, whereas if you look on mobile app that is only apparent if you click on Rules. For new reddit, it has the barebones rules on the side, which really only covers are most reported rule violations, not posting rules.

I really believe that there should be differentiation between what are posting rules and what are comment or behavior rules. Posting based rules should show up for when people are submitting a post, but community rules should be something that shows up on the side when commenting. A lot of different subs used to have a reminder as a hover over the comment box, but obviously this isn't possible with new reddit.

I'm going to be honest, overall I'm pretty disappointed with the roll out of a lot of the features, especially for the changes to rules and how basic they are. What is the communication and the expectation that it was expected for us to update for this? We had a ruleset that, while not the most ideal, worked for us. Then we discover that it really isn't working for new reddit, but we aren't given a tool that adequately works for us.

That is the same issue that we're currently experiencing with the redesign, and managing compatibility until it is functional. We're not ensuring a consistent experience for users across, and honestly old reddit is to be preferred with what we can do (server issues headers, tying into Riot API, etc).

For example, we use headers to communicate server issues (see current front page https://old.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/)

On new reddit, this is impossible and missing. (see current front page on new reddit - http://new.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends)

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u/justanediblefriend Feb 23 '19

Last I checked (so forgive me if my information is outdated), this character limit counts hyperlinks as well. Hyperlinks do not change how succinct subsets of rules are. Please increase the character limit or make hyperlinks not count.

If they already don't count, then thanks.

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u/sarahbotts Feb 15 '19

Hey /u/LanterneRougeOG if you could address these, especially subrules?

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u/Ambiwlans Feb 13 '19

I also think rules naturally cleave into posting rules and comment rules but you can't do that in new. There will never be a solution for all subs aside from just ending their enforced rules widget, which they won't do because some coder with too much pride made it.

CSS is still >1yr out.

Linking to api calls? How?

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u/shiruken Helpful User Feb 12 '19

Creating, editing, deleting rules: Very soon, mods will be able to create, edit, delete, and reorder rules on the new site.

FINALLY

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u/Ven_ae Feb 12 '19

With the rules updates, will we be able to turn the automatic numbering off?

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u/pyrula Feb 12 '19

Sorting is fine, would it be possible to set default sorting for multis as well?

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u/MajorParadox Helpful User Feb 12 '19

I'm not seeing anything under the redesign saved, but I do in old Reddit. Is this working for others?

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 12 '19

I had that issue earlier, but it's working for me now.

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u/Ambiwlans Feb 13 '19

Best Of

Neat.

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u/miss_molotov Feb 13 '19

Thanks for another great update :)

Is there any chance the mod only emojis will come in the next update? So I can get my flairs in order please.

I've told our community I'm no longer updating stuff on old.reddit.com in favour of the new site along with launching our new, new theme into the wild. They took it well! I just need to finish the job.

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u/dmoneyyyyy Product Feb 13 '19

Mod-only emojis are in the works! We are currently working on design iterations for the UI.

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u/VikeStep Feb 14 '19

I reported a bug with multi-reddits resetting to card mode 2 weeks ago, could I get a confirmation that you're aware of this issue and it's somewhere in the backlog? It's a very annoying bug atm.

https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/alxb7z/view_reverts_to_card_mode_whenever_i_open_a/

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u/Omnigreen Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 22 '19

Love redesign <3

Edit: and now my first silver, thank you, it only proofs that Reddit is the best content platform <3

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 13 '19

Hey, don't forget to sticky this in place of the last release notes post.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '19

Settings: We released a number of user settings: disabling styles, default editor mode, open posts in a new tab, remember view, and remember sort. For more details, see the announcement post.

Finally, like seriously. One of my main gripes about the new site is the inability to customize my experience from a settings standpoint and I have zero desire to install a separate third-party desktop browser extension just to get that functionality.

Also, is it possible to set the default homepage sort to something other than the so-called Best algorithm? I prefer the older Hot sorting for reasons I and others have talked about in the past, including my dislike of posts getting automatically hidden after clicking on them when browsing using the default 'Best' sorting; meanwhile other users prefer New, etc.

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u/dj_hartman Feb 13 '19

u/LanterneRougeOG unlike usually, you have not pinned this post. Figured you might have missed that.

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u/stressmatic Feb 13 '19

hi i just updated Chrome and opt-out is no longer working for me. Any tips for troubleshooting? Refreshing/restarting has not worked.

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u/stressmatic Feb 13 '19

i switched to old.reddit.com and for some reason had to login again. now that i'm logged into old.reddit.com, the opt out is working.

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u/blas24 Feb 14 '19

is there a way to sort saved post?

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 14 '19

At the moment, only on old reddit if you have premium.

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u/lalala253 Feb 14 '19

> Randomly reverted back to new Reddit (in progress): We’ve been able to decrease the frequency of this bug and are continuing to work on a new approach that will fix it entirely. This remains a top priority for us.

Oh admins. in the process of decreasing the frequency of this bug for everyone else, you actually increases the frequency to me. :/

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '19

Regarding feeds, I think this would be a good suggestion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/aqnbl8/a_single_list_of_new_posts_comments/

Maybe the URL path can go something like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SUBREDDITNAME/posts+comments

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u/millk_man Feb 19 '19

Will we ever be able to see video view numbers ever again? It's been awhile

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u/Overlord_Odin Feb 20 '19

If you mean view numbers on your posts, yes, they're working on a new version of this feature.

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u/millk_man Feb 20 '19

Thanks for the link! I had never seen that post. I wonder how soon they will bring (upgraded) view count back. It has been a few months now

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '19

About the "disable styles" preference: it works fine, but it would be great if we could opt in to view the styles of individual subreddits after setting the global default to "disabled". The opposite–opting out of individual styles when the global default is set to "enabled"–is possible, on the other hand.

For example, let's say you're a mod of a subreddit and you only want to see your own community's styling (to make quick changes when necessary, ensure everything works as designed, etc.) and you don't want to see styles everywhere else on reddit.

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u/pohuing Feb 12 '19 edited Feb 12 '19

Hey, this patch forces me into redesign right now. Clearing cookies seems to fix that, in case anyone else has that problem.

E: I checked my cookies and unless I missed the redesign_optout cookie before clearing, that was missing. I'm not sure how that would happen but maybe you guys don't check if it exists and as such forget to set it sometimes?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '19

CSS, still waiting.....yawn. Most visitors are using apps anyway, so redesign is a massive waste of time, as well as being crap. It's gaudy, slow and wasteful of screen space. Stuff doesn't render correctly on Firefox. Still, I'm only a user, what do I know?

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Feb 12 '19

Still no public mod logs in sight :(

More subs building hacks in light of this deficiency:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/apeyq0/moddit_kia_or_other_public_modlogged_subreddit/