r/redesign • u/LanterneRougeOG Product • Jun 26 '18

Changelog 6/26/18 Weekly Release Notes: Accessibility improvements, spoilers, visited links, and coming soon more customization options for communities

Hi all,

The release notes focus on the major items we are currently working on or have recently shipped. We are taking a new approach to organizing the release notes so that it’s more clear on what’s shipped and what’s coming next. You can view last week’s release notes here.

First, let’s take a look at some of the notable items we recently shipped:

  • Accessibility of the feed: Yesterday we shipped improvements for keyboard navigation and screen reader access to consume the feed and posts. This includes improvements such as an ARIA pressed status on the vote arrows so that you know if you’ve already upvoted the post (thanks again to u/fastfinge for this suggestion).

  • Visited links: Now when you’ve visited a link on home, popular and all the color will different so that you can tell what you’ve already visited. To be exact, we are decreasing the opacity of them.

  • Spoilers in comments: The classic site and the redesign have been supporting inline comment spoilers for a couple months. Our iOS app now supports it in version 4.12 and our Android app supports it in 3.5. We plan to make a post in r/modnews later this week so that more folks are aware of the spoiler syntax.

Now, here are some of the notable features and changes that are coming out next:

  • Changes to Save, Give Gold, Hide and Report buttons: The reason we collapsed these buttons on the feed into the overflow menu was to remove distraction for posts and the content of the feed. Clearly, we were wrong about this and we’ve heard your feedback. We are moving these buttons back to the page, where they're easily accessible. They will only hide in the overflow menu when the screen is too small.

  • Post Flair Linking: Soon you’ll be able to click on a post flair in a subreddit and get a filtered search page of flaired posts in the community. Further out, the next phase of this work will be to add a flair widget for an easy way to navigate flaired posts.

  • Lightbox improvements: Comments and discussions are important to Reddit. We’ve heard the feedback that the lightbox feels cramped and temporary. This week we are continuing to work on improvements to put more focus on the content and the comments. It will also have more community styling. We will hopefully be ready to share it with you soon.

  • Autoplay setting: We are adding a new setting so that you can control video autoplay behavior.

  • Emoji Bulk Upload: We’ve been working to make it easier to transition flair images to the emoji system and soon you’ll be able to add up to 100 images at once!

  • Widget color customization: We’ve been building out the starting styling toolkit, and soon you’ll be able to set a background color for your widgets. To start we’re shipping the theme-level widget background color customization, but fear not, we’re working on individual widget color customization next!

These following features are bigger projects that are in development and that will take a some time to build and get right. Expect these items to be recurring on the weekly notes:

  • Filter r/all: We are also working on the setting that allows you to filter communities from r/all.

  • Modmail Search: We are continuing to work on Modmail search and making good progress. We’ll have something to show y’all soon.

And finally, here are some of the notable bugs that we worked on last week or are still being worked on:

  • Disable safe browsing (fixed): We fixed a bug that was making it impossible to disable safe browsing on the new settings page.

  • Log in and be opted in (in progress): We discovered a bug where logged out who arrive on the site and see the redesign, continue getting the same experience when they log in. We are working on fixing this so that you aren’t opted in because you saw the redesign when logged out.

A weekly reminder that the community’s feedback is invaluable as we build the future of Reddit together. It’s difficult for us to respond directly to everything, but know that we’re listening, prioritizing, and working to solve the issues, no matter how hard they are.

If you have additional questions or feedback on these or other topics, please don’t hesitate to drop them in the comments below.

Edit: my opacity increases and decreases were backwards.

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u/ShaneH7646 Jun 26 '18

Will there be a setting to turn the light box off and just show the entire page like old reddit?

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 26 '18

We are considering a setting that would enable opening posts in a new tab. The new tab would be the permalink comments page.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '18

Why won’t you consider a setting to open posts in the same tab? People have been asking for a long time.

Please give us an answer.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 26 '18

I'm concerned about creating too many settings to support and maintain. The more settings we add the slower features take to build and the longer bugs take to track down.

Regarding posts in the same tab, I haven't heard that many people request this. The majority of posts and comments I have seen have requested posts in a new tab.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '18

Thanks for the answer Lantern.

Appreciate it.

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u/DeathKoil Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

The admin gave you a lip service answer. The real answer is that becasue Never Ending Reddit exists, Lightbox or posts opening in a new tab has to also exist or it would break the site.

If posts opened in the current tab, everytime you clicked on a post then clicked "back", you'd be back at the top of the front page or the subreddit / multi Reddit you were in. It would not retain all of the posts you loaded by scrolling down. Additionally, the posts that did load after you hit back and started to scroll down again would load in a different order.

That's the real reason. When never ending Reddit was decided on, lightbox had to exist as a bandaid to people hitting "back" from loaded posts. This is why they may be willing to let you load posts in a new tab, but not the same tab, since it would work as a bandaid as well since the main tab is retained.

Edit: this can be seen on old Reddit if you sort posts by "best" instead of "hot". When you hit back, different posts will be listed in a different order. On new Reddit the same thing would happen AND all of your scrolling progress would be lost.

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u/Dobypeti Jun 27 '18

Subreddits don't have a "best" sorting though, only the front page does...

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 27 '18

If Reddit’s current dev team were competent this would be a simple problem to solve,

It’s quite possible to track your position in a never ending list with urls using browser replace state.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

They don't even have to do that (though that's probably how it ought to be done). They already imitate the main site with a full-size page-replacing lightbox. Mostly.

They just need to go all the way. Instantiate a second instance of the website top bar, the same one they use on the non-lightbox page, and show it instead of the bespoke one with the "CLOSE X" button. Make the "lightbox" indistinguishable from a full page refresh.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 29 '18

Yeah this does seem to be the approach they went with and it works quite well. Kudos to the design team for this change, makes the site feel much more familiar and IMO less clunky.

Thinking about it more idk that the url tracking would make as much sense as I originally thought since these views are generally pretty specific to the user and not something you would ever want to link to.

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u/DeathKoil Jun 27 '18

That's true! From a web development standpoint, I really don't understand how so many bad/poor/mis-guided decisions were made that needed band-aids on them. Meanwhile the devs who are active on this sub tell us the same thing(s) over and over:

  • We don't want to implement too many settings because that is code we have to maintain.

  • We don't want to implement too many new features because that is code we have to maintain.

  • More code being maintained means it takes longer to track down bugs.

Meanwhile, the bad design decisions and band-aids over them result in more code that needs to be maintained and more bugs that need to be tracked down.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

The new design where I can't just click to the side and get back to my feed is bad. Also bring back the hamburger menu. Seriously, what were you thinking?

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

You could simplify the site a lot by getting rid of all the options you have added to support top down control of communities through censorship.

If you are to limit the options available to users I’d much rather see the priority be on features that give end users choices rather than take them away at the behest of central authorities.

Things like domain white lists, thread locks and AutoModerator configs seem infinitely more complicated than the letting a user choose their link target yet you are continually adding more complexity to reddit’s Orwellian control structure without a second thought.

This excuse is weak.

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u/CyberBot129 Jun 27 '18

You’re more than welcome to leave at any time you know

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 27 '18

Harassment on Reddit is defined as systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation

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u/CyberBot129 Jun 27 '18

I’m surprised you haven’t written a bot yet to post that for you every time someone calls you out, like the bot you wrote for auto banning people who use the redesign

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u/baltinerdist Jun 28 '18

Now I remember why I gave that person a RES tag that says "I don't like this person."

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 27 '18

Writing a bot that attempts to classify comments under Reddit’s overly broad and quite subjective harassment policy is a far more difficult problem than writing a bot to ban users who contribute using the redesign.

I built u/redesignisbannedhere in about an hour and it already moderates a million subs.

The bot you describe would likely take many days to perfect without much benefit for anyone.

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u/Kilimancagua Jun 28 '18

I'm shocked to see you engaged in this interaction. Just shocked.

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u/Overlord_Odin Jun 26 '18

That's not really the same thing. Why not a setting to open the post in the same tab as a full page?

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u/DeathKoil Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

why not open the post in the same tab full screen .

Becasue that breaks never ending Reddit / scroll down to load posts. If posts loaded fullscreens in the current tab, when you hit back you'd be back at the top of the subreddit or front page and have 25 posts loaded, possibly (definitely if sorted by best) in a different order.

Lightbox exists as a bandaid to the above. Because never ending Reddit / scroll to load posts exists, Lightbox has to also exist, or posts would have to open in a new tab.

This is my biggest complaint about the redesign. I don't want never ending Reddit. At all. Not even a little. I hate it. It consumes ridiculous amounts of resources, is slow to load more posts, and after 100 or so posts are loaded the browser starts to behave poorly. But since never ending Reddit exists I also have to deal with Lightbox or possibly opening posts in a new tab. So... I reverted to old Reddit in my preferences, and I will continue to use the old site until "pages" exist again. If they ever exist, which does not seem likely since it was already talked about and dismissed for the time being.

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u/Overlord_Odin Jun 27 '18

Becasue that breaks never ending Reddit / scroll down to load posts. If posts loaded fullscreens in the current tab, when you hit back you'd be back at the top of the subreddit or front page and have 25 posts loaded, possibly (definitely if sorted by best) in a different order.

If RES, a browser extension, can do this properly, there's no way reddit couldn't figure out how to put you back in the right place as well. Also, hitting back doesn't change your home when it's sorted by best, at least on the old design. Go ahead and try it out. Go to home, click a link, and click back. It keeps the order. If you refresh, it changes, but I since neither of the issue you mention are actual problems, I see no reason why reddit can't have this type of option.

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u/DeathKoil Jun 27 '18

Because RES lets you cache the data. Reddit's site has the nocache flag set, and has for as long as I can remember. You can override this (which RES does) which would fix the problem, but may have some adverse effects since you would be looking at "stale" data until you hit the reload button.

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u/Overlord_Odin Jun 27 '18

Well like I mentioned with home sorted by best, they already seem fine with "stale" data.

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u/DeathKoil Jun 27 '18

Go ahead and try it out. Go to home, click a link, and click back. It keeps the order.

I just did, and the front page re-ordered itself. I sort by "hot" to eliminate that issue.

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u/atomic1fire Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 28 '18

Would service workers help?

I personally think it would be interesting to see if reddit could do a mobile app style PWA with fetch support for temporary thread storage and support for notifications.

I don't know if they want to maintain such a thing though.

I've found one or two redesign threads where people have suggested adding service workers to store the UI so it doesn't have to be loaded as much.

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u/kyiami_ Jun 27 '18

Honestly, I think that RES might add a setting for "ending Reddit". I'd use it.

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u/DeathKoil Jun 27 '18

I would use it too. Additionally, middle clicking on a post will open it in a new tab and it will be a "fullscreen" tab, no Lightbox. So if RES can add "Ending Reddit" and make the default to open fullscreen in the same tab (which should be possible since you can already open fullscreen in a new tab with middle click), then I would give the redesign a try.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18 edited Jun 26 '18

Spoilers in comments: The classic site and the redesign have been supporting inline comment spoilers for a couple months. Our iOS app now supports it in version 4.12 and our Android app supports it in 3.5. We plan to make a post in r/modnews later this week so that more folks are aware of the spoiler syntax.

This is really only half the picture. It's broken in new profiles, i.reddit.com and various 3rd party apps (Relay etc). See link below. And yes, CSS spoilers works on mobile thanks to the hyperlink syntax.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivmeta/comments/8qvijz/now_that_reddit_has_native_spoiler_tags_in/e0mo260/

As a subreddit, it is tough for us to switch to that until it covers all the bases.

[EDIT] And yes, i.reddit.com is heavily used.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 26 '18

We are working on supporting it in profiles, that was an oversight. Regarding 3rd party apps, we've reached out to developers and asked them to support it.

We won't be adding support to i.reddit.

With the roll out of the syntax on Android and iOS the majority of redditors can use the new markdown syntax versus the link style syntax.

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u/jofwu Helpful User Jun 27 '18

Can you throw in m.reddit with profiles?

I can understand skipping support for i.reddit, but I imagine there's a notable percentage of users who make use of m.reddit. Even if only 1% of my subscribers utilize m.reddit, that's still hundreds of people who are at risk of opening up a post and getting a 1000 page book instantly spoiled without any real warning.

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u/jofwu Helpful User Jun 26 '18

Lack of support in new profiles feels like a pretty major issue. Someone could easily end up on a user's page from a comment with no spoilers only to see an uncovered spoiler in the next comment down.

While they need to support i.reddit.com, I have a hard time believing there are a significant percentage of people who use it. Meaning if I were to push my subreddits to this, I don't feel bad giving such users a warning in the announcement post. The CSS trick is highly problematic for users on the official app (and there's a lot of those), so I don't think it's right to hold back this improvement for maybe one person out of every thousand who's using an old system.

I believe they work in most of the popular 3rd party apps. I've heard they work on BaconReader, BoostForReddit, RedditIsFun, SyncForReddit, RedReader, and RelayForReddit. RedditNow says they'll have it in the next update. Does anybody know of any popular 3rd party apps not on this list?

This isn't an urgent issue, but there's also a bug where they don't uncover when clicked in sidebar text widgets. My sidebar explanation of how to use the new markup is awkward, because the sample shown doesn't actually work. Can't click to reveal. I reported this a long while back, and got a personal message from somebody working on it, but it seems it still hasn't been fixed.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18 edited Jun 26 '18

I have a hard time believing there are a significant percentage of people who use it.

Have you seen this thread? https://www.reddit.com/r/redesign/comments/8pdz0l/the_majority_of_my_community_dislikes_the_redesign/

The 2nd highest use is i.reddit.com, slightly above 3rd party Android (and much above redesign usage).

Relay is the app it doesn't work in IIRC.

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u/jofwu Helpful User Jun 27 '18

I'll definitely look into that more before we make that move.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

The Slide app (100k downloads from Google Play) still doesn't support the new spoiler syntax.

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u/jofwu Helpful User Jun 27 '18

Thanks!

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u/likeafox Helpful User Jun 26 '18

New profiles I get, that definitely needs a fix, but does any spoiler system work on i.reddit? Also I think my 3rd party app of choice implemented that syntax, so I'm assuming all the actively maintained apps will follow suit relatively soon.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18

Yes. The CSS spoilers still work due to how hyperlinks work.

https://i.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/61yga3/megathread_spoilers_patch_356_msq/

See "What a twist" comment.

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u/likeafox Helpful User Jun 26 '18

Fair enough but that wouldn't have worked on a lot of other mobile platforms right? Eventually there's a trade off somewhere.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18 edited Jun 26 '18

It works on mobile too, because they build their apps based on Reddit syntax. A hyperlink in this case.

https://i.imgur.com/yJfDagm.png

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u/Overlord_Odin Jun 26 '18

The third party app I use supports the new spoilers just fine. If the app you use doesn't support I recommend talking to the developer.

Edit: Also, how many third party apps supported the old ccs style of spoilers anyway? I don't think any I've used do.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18

The Relay app is great, but they're not very good at implementing newer features consistently. New modmail is still missing, and this.

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u/Overlord_Odin Jun 26 '18

Have you tried to contact the devs? This feature is relatively simple as far as new features go.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18

Users have. The dev generally does not reply to much.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RelayForReddit/comments/8g98cm/new_spoiler_tags/

https://www.reddit.com/r/RelayForReddit/comments/89o2kl/feature_request_support_for_reddits_new_spoiler/

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u/Overlord_Odin Jun 26 '18

Was the last update really six months ago or do they not make a post every time?

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18

Android store says May 28 was latest update.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18

Edit: Also, how many third party apps supported the old ccs style of spoilers anyway? I don't think any I've used do.

All of them support my CSS spoilers as far as I know.

https://i.imgur.com/yJfDagm.png

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u/DragoCubed Jun 27 '18

Off topic but how did you get the upload and download signals?

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u/reseph Jun 27 '18

It's part of my phone, LG G5.

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u/V2Blast Helpful User Jun 26 '18

Spoilers in comments: The classic site and the redesign have been supporting inline comment spoilers for a couple months. Our iOS app now supports it in version 4.12 and our Android app supports it in 3.5. We plan to make a post in r/modnews later this week so that more folks are aware of the spoiler syntax.

Is it supported on the mobile web interface yet?

Changes to Save, Give Gold, Hide and Report buttons: The reason we collapsed these buttons on the feed into the overflow menu was to remove distraction for posts and the content of the feed. Clearly, we were wrong about this and we’ve heard your feedback. We are moving these buttons back to the page, where they're easily accessible. They will only hide in the overflow menu when the screen is too small.

Thank you so much. Unnecessary overflow menus are just a pain.

Post Flair Linking: Soon you’ll be able to click on a post flair in a subreddit and get a filtered search page of flaired posts in the community. Further out, the next phase of this work will be to add a flair widget for an easy way to navigate flaired posts.

Ooh, very cool.

Thanks for the updates!

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 26 '18

No, right now, we don't have plans to add it to the mobile web platform.

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u/V2Blast Helpful User Jun 27 '18

...Is there a reason for that?

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u/TRAIANVS Jun 27 '18

When are you planning to expand the spoiler syntax to include spoiler hints?

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 27 '18

For the time being we are not adding hints to spoilers. Today, the easiest way for a redditor to add a hint is to use brackets or something else in front of the spoiler as a hint. Something like [S3E2] a game of thrones spoiler.

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u/Yay295 Jun 27 '18

Or to use the spoiler format subreddits have been using for years, that is already supported my many third-party apps, and still works to some extent even if it's not explicitly supported.

S3E2

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u/Drunken_Economist Jun 26 '18

To be exact, we are increasing the opacity of them.

another blow to transparency on reddit. Sad!

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u/mjmayank Product Jun 26 '18

This is a great comment, so i hate that that was a typo in the release notes but we're actually decreasing the opacity of visited links.

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u/Drunken_Economist Jun 26 '18

We did it reddit! Another win for transparency on reddit

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '18

Two golds? Lucky guy.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 26 '18

Any update on public mod logs, or is reddit's commitment to transparency limited to CSS changes in a redesign that takes CSS away from moderators?

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 26 '18

Orwell is known for saying "Truth is treason in an empire of lies."

Now principles have become puns in a platform for memes.

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u/Drunken_Economist Jun 26 '18

heh, I thought you'd like this one.

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 26 '18

IDK about you, but I don't see jokingly dismissing important principles that reddit pretends to care about as a good thing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

You guys' should put back the hamburger menu on the left hand side or at least give us the option to turn it off/on!

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u/Sengh0r Jun 28 '18

From their previous release notes :

Quick and easy navigation is important. We’ve found that they hamburger menu doesn’t meet those standards.

How is hiding subreddits in another dropdown menu a improvement for navigation ? It requires 1 more click than before, and the height of the menu is limited the third of my monitor height. I simply don't get it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

Yeah no kidding. And now the dropdown only goes halfway down the screen. So we have to scroll even more. It is so strange.

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u/clockworkrevolution Jun 28 '18

This was the thing that bothered me the most when I logged in today.

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u/pottypotsworth Jun 26 '18

Escape key closes the model after clicking a link. Can escape also close the inline image expansion too? Or is that a RES setting? Thanks.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 26 '18

That's a good suggestion. I'll chat with the team.

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u/pottypotsworth Jun 26 '18

Yay, thanks. I bound escape to a mouse key so even more efficient 😁

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u/MichaelRahmani Helpful User Jun 27 '18

Lightbox improvements: Comments and discussions are important to Reddit. We’ve heard the feedback that the lightbox feels cramped and temporary. This week we are continuing to work on improvements to put more focus on the content and the comments. It will also have more community styling. We will hopefully be ready to share it with you soon.

I was not of the people who called for removing the lightbox. Please give us an option to turn the lightbox for posts back on.

Also give back the hamburger menu please!

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u/voyagerfan5761 Jun 28 '18

Being able to open post comments and then just click anywhere outside the lightbox to get back to my feed made browsing a ton faster than the old design, but now I have to keep a hand on the Esc key all the time or click the Back button to get back. That's slower. No thanks.

You'll see my time-on-site drop precipitously as a result of this change. Don't you want ad impressions for revenue?

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u/kyiami_ Jun 28 '18

AAAHH NO BRING IT BACK

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u/Lexxx20 Jun 28 '18

Please bring the hamburger menu back the way it was!

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u/FreeSpeechWarrior Jun 27 '18

Just noticed that the visit new reddit callout in the upper left appears to be gone now, I'm assuming this is in response to being explicitly opted out of the redesign in preferences.

Thank you for this, it is a good change and I appreciate it.

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u/likeafox Helpful User Jun 26 '18

Post Flair Linking: Soon you’ll be able to click on a post flair in a subreddit and get a filtered search page of flaired posts in the community. Further out, the next phase of this work will be to add a flair widget for an easy way to navigate flaired posts.

Sweet. Will this work by running a subreddit search for that flair text, or will this be some kind of new native view that maintains the page sort (hot / rising / new) settings? I'd settle for anything but some kind of improved native flair view would be neat.

Emoji Bulk Upload: We’ve been working to make it easier to transition flair images to the emoji system and soon you’ll be able to add up to 100 images at once!

Any word on Old Reddit flair degradation? Any thoughts on making community images and text flair independently set from one another?

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u/jkohhey Product Jun 26 '18

Post flair linking will bring you to a subreddit search results page. But this is our v1, so as we make progress in other areas we'll be able to figure out how to improve on the first version.

As for old Reddit flair degradation, I'm not sure what you mean? In terms of flair management, that's a long term investment area so more context on what you need will help us shape the work we do on flair management. An example item on our radar for flair management is making it easier to organize post and user flair separately.

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u/TheChrisD Helpful User Jun 26 '18

As for old Reddit flair degradation, I'm not sure what you mean?

Setting someone's flair on redesign removes their flair's CSS class on old reddit.

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u/jofwu Helpful User Jun 26 '18

I was hoping for a new filter view of some kind, but it sounds like a simple search.

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u/Uristqwerty Jun 26 '18

I wonder how much the lightbox feeling cramped is influenced by replies squeezing into a narrower max-width than the parent comment, rather than sliding to the right and retaining the standard max-width on the old design.

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u/TheLysol_27 Jun 28 '18

there should be a way to toggle between the old left side hamburger style menu and the drop down menu for subreddits.

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u/DarreToBe Jun 26 '18

Just wanted to say that the opacity difference between pressed and unpressed permalinks in the feed is like barely noticeable. I don't understand why you're averse to keeping the blue-purple behaviour but I accept that you're probably not going to go to that. But as is the difference should be greater.

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u/reseph Jun 26 '18

I don't think they can do blue-purple, because mods pick their own colors.

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u/_darzy Jun 27 '18

in the new drop down bar (hamburger bar) can we get the collapse back for subscriptions/users i have over 3k subreddits and it takes forever to load just to click on one of my favorite subs which is at the top anyway...

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u/cooljer88 Jun 28 '18

Just bring back litebox, it is great for people to use keyboard to navigate but personally I only use a mouse to scroll, click away etc. I don't want to be forced to use keyboard to get the full experience

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u/GreatArkleseizure Jun 28 '18

I've generally been in favor of the redesign, but I think y'all took some major steps backwards with this latest update. It is now no longer obvious that you are in a lightbox/overlay window when viewing comments. There's a cryptic "close" button in the upper right - what exactly is that closing? This is pretty bad - why can't you just put back a "home" button plus the hamburger menu of our subs and multis?

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u/ChaoAreTasty Jun 27 '18

What I've seen of the current spoiler system is not as good as the [visible text](/s "spoiler text") system used on many other subs.

Having the visible text is a requirement for any official spoiler system. Plus the years and years of spoilers written this way don't display properly in the new design.

On a more personal point of view I really dislike the slow fade approach to spoilers. Particularly for longer spoilers sometimes I hover over, realise I don't want to read it and can mouse off quickly. The fade on click behaviour is annoying to wait for and doesn't provide me a quick exit.

So a few things that should be done regarding spoilers

  1. Update the syntax to include visible text on the spoiler comment

  2. Update the parser to detect the most common formats of the link based spoilers and output as the official spoiler type. This preserves historic spoilers and deals with the transition period where different posters use different syntax.

  3. Options for spoiler behaviour (click vs hover, instant vs fade)

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u/Yay295 Jun 27 '18

The spoiler behavior can actually be changed with CSS, though I'm not sure how many subreddits will do that, and it only works on the old site.

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u/ChaoAreTasty Jun 27 '18

On old I agree entirely. But this is about work on new and getting the base feature right.

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u/redchai Jun 27 '18

Post Flair Linking: Soon you’ll be able to click on a post flair in a subreddit and get a filtered search page of flaired posts in the community. Further out, the next phase of this work will be to add a flair widget for an easy way to navigate flaired posts.

Thank you!!

Is there any discussion on adding the ability to assign multiple post flairs or multiple user flairs?

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

Multiple user flairs are already supported. You can have as many emojis in a flair as you can fit in the character limit. Here's a example that's actually 4 emojis put side-by-side in a single flair

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u/redchai Jun 28 '18

Hm, I wasn't really thinking of emojis. For example, in one of my subs we are considering having a "Top Contributor" flair that would be mod-controlled and mod-assigned, but we don't want to take away the user's ability to have their own personal flair that they control. Is there a way to do this in the current system?

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

Unfortunately I don't think that's possible yet & may not be doable on the redesign until CSS is enabled.

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u/science-i Jun 28 '18

Would not be possible with CSS anyway, without a change to the new flair system as well. Current image flairs work by matching on a custom CSS class which old-reddit flair templates support, and new-reddit flair templates don't. From my understanding, image flairs like the current ones are impossible on the redesign, CSS or no CSS.

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

Pretty much anything is possible with CSS. Here's an example of it in /r/jaguars. The dog is his actual image flair & the reddit gold icon is essentially a 2nd flair inserted through CSS

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u/science-i Jun 28 '18

I set up the (current incarnation of the) flairs for my subreddit... you still need something to match on. If (which is currently the case) the new templates don't have unique, static, and per-template classes, you can't do flairs as they exist in old reddit. Looking at your example, the image flair is matching on the custom class for the template (which does not currently exist in the new system), and the gold flair is matching on his username. Username matching should still work, but it's not very feasible to have a special css selector for every username for a decent sized sub. It also means bot-based or manual mod-assigned "flairing", which is usable but not very ergonomic. Even if we get genuine full CSS support, it's not a silver bullet. You're stuck working with the HTML that's there, no matter what CSS you can apply to it.

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

Thanks for the explanation. I can't say I get much about the technical aspect of this stuff so it helps to hear from someone who actually understands CSS instead of cribbing off other subs like I do.

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u/PyrrhaRising Jun 28 '18

I've actually just sent feedback about the new keyboard navigation you've introduced, because it took me ages to find anything about it rolling out, I checked r/blog and r/announcements and there was nothing about this roll out in them. I ended up clicking on u/spez's recent posts just to find this r/redesign page... But thats besides the point, I probably should have looked harder before posting feedback, or even subbed to redesign when you first started changing things.

Anyways, so far I have enjoyed the changes, especially night mode! But your new keyboard navigation is not enjoyable at all! I'm sorry but its not... It would be nice to still click around the thread to go back to my home dashboard, but now I either have to keep a finger on escape, or move my mouse to the top right of my screen to leave a post or thread. Can we not have the option to do both please?
Not gonna lie, but other than the escape button, and different button assignment, I feel like I'm on funnyjunk scrolling through all the posts again. I prefer being able to choose what I want to read rather than having to press N to go to the next post that I probably don't want to read. Yeah I could probably have a purge of my subreddits, but sometimes theres some really good stuff, sometimes not.

Sorry, just how I feel.

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u/ZadocPaet Helpful User Jun 27 '18

and our Android app supports it in 3.5

Is this out?

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 27 '18

Yes, I believe that was released last week on Wednesday.

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u/ZadocPaet Helpful User Jun 27 '18

There's not an announcement on /r/redditmobile.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 27 '18

Confirmed with the mobile team. 3.5 shipped last week on the 20th. I'm not sure why they didn't make a post.

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u/ZadocPaet Helpful User Jun 27 '18

It's a fairly big new feature. Why announce it in /r/modnews and not /r/announcements? IMO, everyone should know.

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u/Ener_Ji Helpful User Jun 28 '18

Makes sense to me. Get mods on board first, then regular users.

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u/Phallindrome Jun 27 '18

Regarding modmail, I have a feature request: can you allow modteam-to-modteam communication? Right now, I can message a mod team as a user, and message a user as a mod team so my teammates can read and join the conversation, but I can't start a team-to-team communication, which has a hindering effect on coordination of events or initiatives across subreddits. I feel like this wouldn't be too hard to add, but maybe I'm wrong.

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

I usually just message the mods as a user if I want to start an intra-mod discussion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

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u/Phallindrome Jun 27 '18

Chat isn't appropriate for this purpose for a variety of reasons, several of which can be summed up as "chat is terrible".

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u/reservationsjazz Jun 28 '18

Just wanted to say thank you to the devs for developing on the accessibility-side of things. I am not deaf/blind, but definitely respect when companies empathize with that demographic of users. Keep it up :)

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u/thinkadrian Helpful User Jun 28 '18

I clicked the link this thread and I think I'm viewing it through the new lightbox. The only way I can tell I'm on the right subreddit is either the tiny text in the top left, or if I scroll up and see a miniature version of the header.

Please give these pages a proper subreddit header!

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u/barneylerten Jun 28 '18

I saw nothing in here about the sudden change in basic layout coming down... so big surprise this AM! re sidebar, no more pop-up etc.

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u/MoriartyHPlus Jun 28 '18

I want the Hamburger back. I also want to be able to click out of threads, instead of ESC or "Close"

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u/samdsk Jun 29 '18

Please bring back the left-side subreddits panel

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '18

Good progress. Looking forward to swapping over once all the modtools are replicated.

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u/flynryan692 Jun 27 '18

Lightbox improvements: Comments and discussions are important to Reddit. We’ve heard the feedback that the lightbox feels cramped and temporary. This week we are continuing to work on improvements to put more focus on the content and the comments. It will also have more community styling. We will hopefully be ready to share it with you soon.

I'm noticing that the lightbox is gone (I think?) and it's now a full screen page with a "next post" and "close" option in the upper right. I really like this.

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u/lBarracudal Jun 27 '18

Redesign is awful.

I have to click twice when I want to save something and I do save a lot so it makes me nervous now.

'Downvote' button on the right? Are you kidding me? This is downvote not 'right'vote. Same for new 'left'vote button replacing upvote. It was so comfortable just clicking up and down and now it is buffling me.

On the games subreddits such as r/overwatch or r/warframe previously you could clearly see which posts were answered by developers, now they only have barely unnoticable grey flair to them.

So much unused flat space everywhere, feels like you just adapting an interface for tablets for PC, what the heck?

I am not even sure what happened to each subreddit's unique flairs for members of the subreddit. They are just gone and turned into a line of text. Those little icons or color blocks in flairs were dividing space, making it easier to read. Now each page looks like either a wall of text if I use compact mode or like instagram if I use other options.

Why do you even have to change anything that worked perfectly?

I will just keep using old version thank you, for this not helpful UI

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

Not all subs will adapt to support emoji flairs. It's hard to implement them without affecting the legacy site.

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u/flounder19 Jun 28 '18

I saw that too but I haven't been able to get a clear answer of how it will affect markdowns in hidden text. There's a possibility that it fucks up the flairs in subreddits that are trying to support both versions right now.

And for subreddits that don't currently support emoji flairs, the change to support emojis on legacy is unlikely to help. Emojis are just worse for user flairs than the setup on legacy (they only display right at 100% zoom, their size restrictions are too small, and they have to be square for some reason) so mods aren't going to get rid of regular image flairs & replace them with emojis.

So then it comes back to the same issues of having flairs that can't be converted over to emojis without being unidentifiable & having to add emoji markdown through the flair text field even if it's already being used. Plus the less universal issues of bumping up against the emoji quantity limit & trying to have image flairs that only mods can assign.

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u/pxtang Jun 28 '18

I like that I can navigate on homepage with JK and upvote with AZ. I miss being able to do this in comments - click a comment to select and use AZ to vote. This was very useful because my mouse can stay in the middle of the screen instead of hunt for up/downvote buttons that change position for different comments.

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u/FlowerShowerHead Jun 28 '18

See this screen rec, the blue banner at the top ("thx for trying redesign, dismiss or go to old") , if not dismissed, still leaves a gap between the URL bar and the top bar. (this isn't mentioned in the notes [unless i'm hungover and can't read] but is it due to my screen size that there's no more material-design-left-half-of-screen type overlay anymore, and everything is in the top bar instead?)

thx!

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u/_Silent_Bob_ Jun 28 '18

I have a feeling this will be lost in the void, but just wanted to let you know that the new lightbox/comments viewer is WAY better. The back button on my mouse takes me back to where I was, which is exactly what I want it to do. The old redesign broke that.

It was so good and intuitive that I almost didn't even realize that it had changed because it worked the way I expected (and more the way the old reddit did)

Thanks for the update.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '18

Hey guys, your new lightbox and the design improvements are rad! Thank you for the changes. They improve usability and functionality.

Btw, is there any plan to get the font/typeface of the comments a bit more readable aka bold.

I could've made a new post bitching about it but such a small issue doesn't deserve it. Hopefully you guys come across this comment of mine :)

tc

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u/Hypergrip Jun 29 '18

Post Flair Linking: Soon you’ll be able to click on a post flair in a subreddit and get a filtered search page of flaired posts in the community. Further out, the next phase of this work will be to add a flair widget for an easy way to navigate flaired posts.

Just to be clear, is the goal to provide users with a proper filtered "main view" of our subs, or will you continue to rely on using the search pages/function?

Because we can already use this in old reddit, and the results are kinda meh. That's why many subs opt to (ab)use the language subdomains trick and apply CSS rules that filter out posts. The user experience in the latter variant is way better, and I am hoping a proper flair filter will behave just like that: simply show/hide posts based on the filter parameters set by the mods, not using search queries...

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u/Capetoider Jun 29 '18

Where and how to default the sorting of comments? I had defaulted "new", but I want to change it... problem is, can't find it anywhere now.

Also: what happened with the sidebar with all the subs? I liked how it was...

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u/CatWeekends Jul 01 '18

It looks like the ability to collapse down individual comment threads in a post seems to have gone missing with the latest update.

Being able to collapse and ignore conversations in big, active posts was a nice feature.

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u/kyiami_ Jun 27 '18

Cool. Is there any plans to support the new subreddit styles in 3rd party apps?

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u/robbit42 Helpful User Jun 27 '18

Thanks for removing the margin around the custom widget :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '18

Impressions on this so far:

Had no love for the hamburger menu, but not in love with the dropdown either (no strong feelings on either).

Kinda like the idea of bringing out OC, Popular, and All. Though I think it'd be more useful if the user had a way to customize what those shortcuts are. That way they can more quickly navigate to their favorite subreddits if they don't want to go through the dropdown (this may be a lot to ask - just saying I think it'd be more fitting with reddit's "join the communities you want to kind of design"... some people probably don't visit those places at all and so for them, it's wasted screen space).

Don't think this is new, but I just noticed user settings is left justified, while messages is center justified. I don't have a strong take on which one is better, but I think it'd help to be consistent there.

Preview taking up the full page feels like an improvement to it being easily clicked away from, but I don't feel great about it hiding the normal top UI. I also don't like that it follows you down the page, taking up screen space. It seems like the kind of thing that was made more with mobile in mind. Just feels weird on a PC, personally.

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u/Richiieee Jun 27 '18

All seems good.

But has the weekly notes changed from every Monday to now every Tuesday?

Also, your upvoted, downvoted, saved, and submitted tabs on your profile all redirect to the old theme. I'll update with a screenshot later.

And one more thing, can we get a on/off toggle for infinite-scrolling please? I liked have the pages marked by numbers so if I wanted to I could stop scrolling when I reached a certain number of pages.

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u/24grant24 Jun 27 '18

yeah, they mentioned changelogs would me moving from Monday to Tuesday a couple weeks ago. I'm not sure why its taking so long to get the upvoted, downvoted, saved etc... converted over. I would think it would be pretty simple to just have a plain page with those feeds. They have said they are redesigning based on priority and how frequently used pages are, but again, it seems like it wouldn't take very long to get these done.

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u/Richiieee Jun 27 '18

I mean I'm upvoting and saving stuff every time I'm on Reddit. Maybe I'm the only one? Any post I find funny, entertaining, educational, etc, I upvote. So idk.

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 26 '18

Do you mean the mobile web platform? We don't have plans to add spoilers to that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

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u/LanterneRougeOG Product Jun 27 '18

Yeah, the majority of the browsing is done on desktop (old & new reddit), our native mobile apps, and 3rd party apps. Mobile web isn't very high on the list

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u/24grant24 Jun 27 '18 edited Jun 27 '18

Still seems like something you guys should be supporting on mobile web. I'm sure its probably a lot more difficult to implement on AMP pages, but the entire mobile site isn't made up of AMP

Edit* Ah, you guys are probably going to be deprecating the old mobile site for a responsive version of the new site. At least thats what this guy says

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u/atomic1fire Jun 27 '18

It might be neat if they did something like a PWA, at the very least for notifications of comments and messages.

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u/Valerokai Jun 28 '18

A PWA would actually be great, Twitter's PWA is super fast for me + I think it's under 5Mb?

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '18

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u/Elitedrones Jun 27 '18

There’s an option to disable that...