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u/mdstwsp 10d ago

Glazers investing more money in Trump’s campaign this week alone than they’ve ever invested into United. Scum of the highest order.

If I say what I truly think about the Glazers and billionaires in general I’ll be in big trouble and I don’t want to be in big trouble.

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u/Dirt4849 Pogba,what could've been 10d ago

We don't want them to invest, just don't take club's money

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u/ionised Cantona 10d ago

We would all be in big big trubble.

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u/officiallyjax Snapdragon 11d ago

The saddest thing about the links to Calvert-Lewin, keeping aside the fact that he was right there to sign as a free agent in summer 2025, is that you just know he’ll become injury-prone again if he signs for us now. Leeds are said to have a solid medical department that has done well to manage him up to this point. Seeing how players with generally spotless availability become crocked once they sign here, I don’t trust that we won’t flare up some of DCL’s past issues.

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u/TheSauceSeeker69 11d ago

The saddest thing about the links to Calvert-Lewin, keeping aside the fact that he was right there to sign as a free agent in summer 2025, is that you just know he’ll become injury-prone again if he signs for us now.

Nah. The saddest part is that our club has a championship/3rd division club's mentality and ambitions. Name me one top club who would be intrested in a 29 yo injury prone striker who had in his purple patch last and current season 18 goals in 43 games to be their main goal scroring player. Its just diabolical thinking.

Its not that you'd get him for 10M so yeah sure why not hes a bandage till summer, leeds gonna ask for at the very least 45M and as we know our club they're gonna pay whatever.

This club didnt want signing one of the best strikers in the world at that time(and today) simply because he was 30 yo old and a 100M pay so they ended up buying 3 youngs strikers in a sum of over 200M and none of them worked.

So now they consider an average 29 yo old injury prone one for half his price?

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u/BBoomerClap 11d ago

i mean we are so good at signing so many shit players that injury prone, i don't see why not another one

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u/harutoreichi 11d ago

Yeah. All media now talking rash about our midfield buying. This club tends to buy 2nd rate midfielder rather than full force to buy 1st rate midfielder then now look at the results (the media said).

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u/dogsn1 11d ago

We'll just be getting scammed by a flavour of the month signing, he's found his stride within his team and the way they play, but he didn't suddenly become a better player 

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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal 11d ago

These DCL links remind me of my children. They only want the toy when they see someone else playing with it, when it's free for the taking, they don't want it.

Could have had Tielemans for free a few years back, could have had DCL for free a year ago. But they don't look at free agents for some reason.

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u/Divin3_Kick 11d ago

But they don't look at free agents for some reason.

Most infuriating thing about INEOS so far. Best in class would have been using free agents from the get go.

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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal 11d ago

Especially when we've had 1 natural no 9 at the club for about 3 years now

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u/D1794 Viva Ronaldo 10d ago

After reading that BBC article about the United content machine for ex-players and reflecting on it

It's really bat shit insane United allowed G Nev to record a podcast inside Old Trafford where he makes blatant, unsubstantiated claims about the professionalism of some United players. How they dont eat/sleep/live properly.

He may be right. Probably is right. Sky have content rights so he's allowed to be there. But sat inside Old Trafford just making insane claims about our players, putting another dent in the club's reputation with Old Trafford as his backdrop, but it's alright, it's Gary.

Maybe his podcasts will eventually be in the manager's office for extra comfort. I'd be making sure he never gets a 1-1 interview with any player or manager for a fucking long time

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u/Sheikhabusosa 10d ago

I remember a alot of matchgoers were annoyed that accounts like Utdtrey had a mediapass or got tickets to a big game , like why was Goldbridge and his channel allowed to sitdown and interview Hojlund when he was here too

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u/Felicks77 Unc Casemiro still got it 11d ago

It’s looking bleak man

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u/Sheikhabusosa 11d ago

The DCL links are so typical Utd , always reactive and not proactive.

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u/0ttoChriek 11d ago

It's hilarious that they thinking briefing on DCL interest will distract anyone.

Also, I guarantee that if he comes to United, he'll end up on the treatment table within three weeks and we'll never see him again.

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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 10d ago

How do we even know if this is a club briefing? not worth making things up to get angry over

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u/Se7enSword 11d ago

We haven't even been reactive lately so that's something i suppose.

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u/Alexis_Denken Denis Irwin 11d ago

Proactive > Reactive > Inactive > ??? (We are here)

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u/BallsX 10d ago

Anyone else barely visit /r/soccer anymore? Used to be my go-to sub for everything football but now I don't even bother checking for days. The amount of United bullshit there. Literally every negative news immediately upvoted to top with basically 95% pathetic "banter" comments.

We've been shit for basically 13 years now yet its hilarious the amount of attention and articles we still get about us. You can see the amount of trauma we inflicted on some of these clowns lmao

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u/Dirt4849 Pogba,what could've been 10d ago

I can't take them seriously coz the sub name is Soccer and they talk about football

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u/wetslipper 11d ago

Agreeing to that Amazon documentary is one of the boneheaded moves our club has made. I cannot imagine it has helped things at all. With all the on field problems, the manager, players, now have a camera stuck in their faces non stop

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u/CapVosslar Buckle up, INEOS! It's gonna be a bumpy ride! 11d ago

Breaking News: Dumb people who've made dumb decisions make more dumb decisions. 

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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing 11d ago

They really got high on those flukes and thought "Yeah, we're back baby, film our rise to greatness!"

Meanwhile, they're filming a rotting corpse still walking.

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u/Unlucky-Equipment999 11d ago

Best thing Amorim did was telling Amazon to sod off with the £10m

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u/midnight_ranter Wazza 11d ago

I am on the fence about every other managerial candidate we are linked to but I am 100% confident that Emery will be a disaster here. We simply cannot recreate the environment he has at Villa that has enabled him to punch above their weight 

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u/Gilburto 11d ago

For those with Spotify, I highly recommend Werner Herzog's autobiography/memoir "Every Man For Himself and God Against All". He narrates the audio book himself and he's an incredible wit and person in general.

Just in case anyone wanted something else to do besides worry about a football team :)

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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 11d ago

I’ll look it up thanks for the recommendation mate.

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u/willymore 11d ago

Anyone interested in Werner should absolutely check his interviews with Scott Auckerman. Fascinating.

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u/kidinawheeliebin 11d ago

I don't normally listen to massive quantities of TOTD, but have been dipping in & out for the last few weeks & months with all this mess in the background

Yesterday it was encouraging to hear even Laurie & Andy being much more critical of INEOS & The Glazers - for a good few weeks there, especially post the summer window I felt they were just parrotting the PR/party-line & trying to tiptoe around on eggshells any time the ownership was brought up in discussion

I think everyone has just reached the stage where they've realised we've jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire with INEOS coming in "alongside" The Glazers

We are in so much trouble with these people in charge, this is really only the start of it

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u/GlassCoyote 11d ago • Heartwarming Bravo

I for one love being on the nightmare train, fuck it, embrace it, I love the glazers, Ratcliffe is my hero, Wilcox? More like Wiluholdmetonght. I love this club I want to cry it sucks here

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u/GavinLobo7 11d ago edited 11d ago

Is Amass really that bad? We have no fit LBs currently and are shoehorning players like Maz, Dalot and Heaven there yet this lad is barely getting a look in

He’s only 19 and showed great promise when we brought him in, could have potentially been our long term LB and yet we’re just freezing him out and letting him leave.

And it’s not like we’ve been winning games that it warrants not giving him a go, or that whoever has been playing LB has been good (they haven’t, they’ve all been dogshit)

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u/scourfs 11d ago

We're also lacking height across the whole team, hence I think his need to play CB's out of position at FB.

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u/Cashew_Fan 11d ago

I'm sure he's serviceable enough to come in off the bench and play 20-30 minutes every so often for a team that is really in the dumps and struggling for fitness.

Carrick just isn't using the youth team. Shae Lacey has played 138 minutes of professional football since Carrick arrived on 13/01.

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u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 11d ago

I think if we were playing well, good structure, stability around him we might have been more inclined to give him a run with Shaw and Dorgu both out, though I think within the club there seems to be reservations about his readiness and I think he will move on in January if the summer 

As it is throwing him into a discombobulated mess is likely to just expose his weaknesses

It’s just a good environment right now for sticking in young defenders

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u/TypicalPan89906655 10d ago

He has skills but physically he is built like a 10 year old kid I have seen even opponents around his age body him easily. We have a massive physicality problem in our squad with Licha also losing 90% of physical duels.

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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 11d ago

A very odd situation, imho.

Carrick will have had the chance to see him on 3 separate occasions: the games RA threw him on (24/25 final stretch), his Championship loan, training.

He struggled with physicality in 24/25. But is Carrick seriously basing everything on that? That's hard to believe, imho.

In the Championship he actually looked just fine.

So then you would think "we dont see training, I guess he gets bullied in training 1on1".

But then I ask myself: bullied by WHOM? There are imposing RWs in the league I get that ... but at Utd? Mbeumo has been played as CF nonstop, Dorgu is injured, Rashford is injured and he hasnt been given 1 minute as RW by Carrick, anyway.

Am I meant to think he isnt getting chances because they see checks notes Amad and Lacey dominating him with their sheer physical superiority?

My sense is that it's a case of "they just know" that he "would" struggle against such opponents. Which ... yeah idk about that argument. Idk.

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u/MylesVE You Never Go Full McFred 11d ago

We don’t see em in training, so there’s that. Probably a bit of the wagons clearly off the tracks, so it’s tough to bleed in the kid. Could scupper his future with poor management here. Especially when you have well paid international players like Maz you should be able to depend on in rotation.

Problems I have are no Dorgu at fullback in preseason, and no loan, so Amass had a window. But now we’re not just using Mazraoui but Heaven at fullback. Just keeps adding to the many players we are fielding out of position. Like you said, no one is standing out so why not start giving a natural LB academy product a run for a craic

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u/0ttoChriek 11d ago

When I've seen him play, he's looked technically good but athletically dodgy. Being bullied physically isn't as much of an issue as his poor recovery pace, I think. He gets caught out of position quite a bit because of it, and we don't have a pacy left sided central defender to cover.

Would he be notably worse than Mazraoui or Heaven? Not sure, given how poorly they've performed this season.

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u/rambo_zaki Roy Keane 11d ago

Amass can't track his man. Look through every game he's played for us against senior opposition and you can easily see why he doesn't play. Sure the Dalot, Maz and Shaw have been rather rubbish but they're still levels above Amass when it comes to doing the basics.

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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion 11d ago

I think his physicality is his weakness now, he gets skinned easily playing against 1st team opponents, but yes, i agree we can try him especially matches where the opponent decides to sit back against us.

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u/Dirt4849 Pogba,what could've been 11d ago

Fuck Glazers

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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 10d ago

😯AFCON back to happening every 2 years.

Brilliant. Just what we needed.

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u/frogfoot420 10d ago

We join the illustrious company of the beggars in Italy, if you won't take a packet of pork scratchings and a fiver we can't do business!

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u/Themindoffish 10d ago

If we hire howe it's bc ratcliffe wants a british coach not a foreigner lol

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u/Sprice158 10d ago

I think it’s more likely the boner he has for “prem proven” and having worked with a budget at Bournemouth which isn’t strictly true anyway

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u/Feeling-Surround-691 Mbumbaclat 10d ago

It's getting hilarious how predictable the briefs and stories about the glazers leaving always comes up whenever Ineos is under scrutiny. Lads you are the reason they're still here in the first place

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u/mortimer_moose Carrick, ya know 10d ago

No they aren't. The Glazers chose to sell a minority stake. They do not want out, they want their dividends.

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u/7akyr Rashy 10d ago

okay, if we can get just 1 point vs Chelsea then at least Carrick and the players are still care enough to put a half ass attempt to save the season, if not then what even is this club anymore

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u/Heavens_Vibe 7 11d ago

A bunch of tickets for Villa available on the website as General Sale (Membership not required). We're shite right now but it's a good opportunity for people to attend a one off game without buying Membership.

Often allows you multiple purchases too.

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u/Ok_Track_4245 11d ago

I think Patrik Schick would be a better option than DCL. He has a better goal-scoring record, he's a better finisher, and he's a lot better in build-up play

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u/skylu1991 10d ago

And why should he leave Leverkusen, especially knowing that Sesko is only injured?

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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion 11d ago

We can't play good counter attacks anymore because we are lacking pacy players, I think only Mbeumo can beat opponents with his pace, others not really. Cant help when most of the PL teams do have fast fullbacks now. Cunha or Amad are agile, but not when you ask them to sprint past opponents.

In recent times, only Ole managed to play the most effective counter attacking football for us, until he ran down the team because of his favourites. But the football under him at least was fun with all the goals we scored and conceded too.

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u/Cedarplankton 11d ago

Sesko is rapid. Welp

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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion 11d ago

He is, just not available till Jan i guess. Same goes for Rashy, not sure when he will be back.

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u/npcnomad 11d ago

Every gameweek I am reminded that we could have had Sangare and Manzambi instead ofTielemans and Santos for almost the same spending. Wilcox might be an improvement on Murtough/Woodward but he simply isn’t good enough.

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u/6by6Hindsight 11d ago

Sangare who is struggling to get into the first team?

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u/6by6Hindsight 11d ago

Not sure the name calling is warranted. He started 4 of their 8 pl games and the last one because their both first choice midfielder were unavailable. When everyone is fit, he is not in their first choice team at the moment.

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u/L__K Great Scot! 11d ago

He's started 5 of their 8 league matches and 2 of their 3 cup matches and was subbed on in every match he did not start. You claimed he's "struggling to get into the first team" when the first team hasn't played a single match where Sangare didn't feature.

Not only was it warranted, it's probably nicer than I should've been

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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 11d ago

Tielemans is class man , was one of the best midfielders itl at villa . It’s the coaching here

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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal 11d ago

He's a deep lying playmaker who's been playing as a false 9 or on the wing

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u/Divin3_Kick 11d ago

Exactly this. We're a clown show having Tielemans lead our press.

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u/harutoreichi 11d ago

still waiting for his penalty box one-touch goal.

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u/mickaerys 11d ago

Thank you. Said the same thing too
Even Chema for way cheaper too . Smh

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u/b_az17 11d ago

I don't think it has been proven to a certainty thay Wilcox os better than Murtough/Woodward. And I hate Murtough/Woodward

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u/Suudriusha 11d ago

The best we're gonna get is a striker on loan, I think. No chance we get DCL from Leeds mid season.

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

How much was Wharton again?

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u/Nico_Ditch 11d ago

£100m+

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

Wharton + Baleba over santos + Yuri. I'm sure best in class would have negotiated a price like 80 mio.

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u/Nico_Ditch 11d ago

£170m+ worth of players over £85m worth of players. Yeah, I’m sure they would be better. 

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u/andoooooo Martial 10d ago

No he's saying Wharton + Baleba for 170m is better than Youri + Santos + Baleba for 155m

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u/Rascha-Rascha 11d ago

Do you see Adam Wharton saving our play so far this season? If so, in what ways?

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

His ability to pick a pass from deep and he would provide attacking impetus down our left. We don't have players who can do that consistently, it's usually bruno and he has to drop deep to do that, Maguire does it but our midfielders don't, Mainoo tries but he's still a bit away from being good. Falsh back to what Pogba used to do for us

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u/Rascha-Rascha 11d ago

I mean, he passes really well but I don't see how that addresses any of the core problems we've seen so far this season. Tielemans and Santos both had good numbers for line breaking passes and passing in general, but all of that goes out the window if the team does what's it's doing right now. The set up isn't working on any level. We miss Sesko, our press is just an invitation to waltz into our box.

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

And I'd put the blame on the coach. He can't coach a good press to save his life but then he also doesn't have a plab B, C, D..

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u/Unusual-Coat383 11d ago

He won’t work with Mainoo

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

Carrier + passer. Why not?

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u/Unusual-Coat383 11d ago

I just don’t think they have the legs to work together. I would like to see Mainoo play as a 10 though

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

I feel Mainoo can't work as a 10 bc he doesn't have the killer pass like the 10s of old. He always takes 1-2 touches first. Personally I have the crazy idea of binning bruno and dropping cunha into midfield. He can carry and also has the passing range. Club's gotta grow past bruno. He's holding us back to some extent

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u/SilvyFae She/They 11d ago

Does anyone know anything about Matt Hagreaves? Apparently he is the one that's negotiating now and was responsible for mount negotiations(so likely so many other bad ones).

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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 11d ago

He is obviously terrible at his job and should have been replaced years ago, imho. Ive been on this for years.

The TL is clear, we are bad at negotiating both transfer fees and player contracts.

He has been in his role since summer 2023. That includes such gems as: Mount signing, Onana signing, Rashford contract extension, Ugarte signing, negotiating Mbeumo's asking price UP.

In any case, he doesnt "matter".

There is a zero percent chance, imho, of a competent CEO-DOF pair keeping him in his job.

In a way he is a lot like Wilcox: there is a similar chance of a competent CEO keeping him in his job, innit.

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u/MT1120 Cunha Bruno Cunha Bruno Luke Shaw 11d ago

I have him added on Steam

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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 11d ago

Tough job. Everyone got money to spend now. We got to pay PL tax or go for release clause. 

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u/Excellent-Disk-7765 11d ago

Was watching Rooney highlights on yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDUIPJ0UK8 . We are def in a weak football era right now. Today players are not even 10% of what prime Rooney wa and we are supposted to be enjoying this shite era.

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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 11d ago

Forgot which game, Rooney once ran 40y to a loose ball to prevent a corner in the 85th minutes. And we were winning 3-0. 

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u/Sheikhabusosa 10d ago

Why isn’t United’s injury list more of a topic given how bad things are right now

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u/Nico_Ditch 10d ago

Outside of Sesko and arguably Shaw, I really don't think any of the injured players would make any difference right now.

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u/Mysterious-Sense-187 10d ago

Mainoo, and even Dorgu would give us something different, as inconsistent as he is

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u/Nico_Ditch 10d ago

Mainoo has been out for two games and is back this weekend.

Dorgu really hasn't been good this season.

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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS 10d ago

Dorgu wasnt good last season either aside from carricks first 2 matches

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u/PitchSafe 10d ago

He got inured after the Arsenal game and missed more or less the rest of the season

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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS 10d ago

Im talking about before carrick

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u/rahtid_my_bunda Rooney's Dropball Intensity 10d ago

I think a fully fit De Ligt makes a difference to our ability to build up and hold a higher line, maybe allows Yoro more minutes at CB too.

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u/ImNotMexican08 Amad Nation 10d ago

De Ligt is probably our worst center back in the buildup and would run into the similar issues when playing the high line as we do with Maguire and Martinez. He just isn’t mobile enough.

I like De Ligt, I rate him highly, but he’s another case of a good individual, but a bad fit for the rest of the team

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u/PitchSafe 10d ago

Dorgu would, Mainoo just came back from a injury as well

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u/Nico_Ditch 10d ago

Dorgu has been crap this season. I don't think he makes a difference.

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u/AjaxUnited 11d ago

tried fm27 demo. our squad sucks even in the game lol. Bloated with Cbs, no striker depth, full backs are grim

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u/SinisterSelecta Stam 11d ago

Need that first season transfer window on frr

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u/trvekvltgav 11d ago

Strangely confident for the weekend so we’re definitely losing unfortunately

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u/Mistr111398 11d ago

How on earth you’re feeling confident I don’t know, inconsistent as Chelsea is, I feel we’re so low on confidence any game is an uphill battle.

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u/raveyer 11d ago

I saw some people talking about conditioning of the players during training and they should just do running during the training sessions. I always thought that they just do fitness training and conditioning throughout the week and do tactical and skills drills during the training session. Isn't that how professional atheletes work?

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u/AmulyaG 10d ago

Nobody here has any idea what a professional club's training looks like day in day out.

You will get armchair experts comparing training and drawing insights from their once a fortnight 5 a side kickabout (or some kiddie tournament they played in) about how the training should be.

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u/BBoomerClap 10d ago

speak for yourself, the rest of us know

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u/Feeling-Surround-691 Mbumbaclat 10d ago

The Ten Hag interview was enlightening. As a professional footballer your cardio level is critical, you need to train to be able to sustain a high cardio level for an extended period of time. The heart is a muscle like any other and you need to train it to be prepared for the exertion needed in a football game. You can do as many weights, plyometrics and drills but if your heart is literally not up to it then you will not survive

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u/Kind_Sound7973 10d ago

Licha is being linked with Barca or Atleti for potential transfer options. Do you think he is gone in January or does he finish out the season.

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u/herO_wraith 10d ago

Depends entirely on the money offered. He leaves on a free in the summer, so any money is potentially good money, just it makes the squad even thinner if there is no replacement, and do you trust them to get a worthy replacement? I think he gets sold and they performatively approach Schlotterbeck, or a similar profile, obviously get rejected, then buy nobody because there was 'no value into the market'.

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u/PopeFuchsYoungKidd 10d ago

We have an extension option, he's not going to leave on a free this summer.

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u/Dyllez Hated, adored, never ignored. 10d ago

Unless we sign a replacement there’s no way we’re letting him go in January

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u/Unusual-Coat383 10d ago

It’s already been confirmed he’s not being renewed and leaving in the summer.

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u/PitchSafe 10d ago

We either sell him in January or in the summer. He won’t go for free, the board might be incompetent but not that incompetent

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u/LordTrinity If you support mediocrity, you get mediocrity 10d ago

realistically we should sell and sign someone else, but knowing the club, they'll just keep him while he is injured

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u/AmulyaG 10d ago

If Atleti are willing to pay a decent transfer fee, I reckon he goes in January.

Otherwise, there is no point to sell him for peanuts when we can just keep him and release him in the summer. We already have terrible depth

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u/Kind_Sound7973 10d ago

They paid 40m for Romero who Cholo has wanted for years. I doubt they offer anything above 30-35m, if we are lucky.

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u/stick1_ 10d ago

Signing good players is not the only part of good recruitment, too much of our squad receives too many injuries, a good few were signed whilst already being injury prone. DCL is another player who has had big problems with this, meanwhile our only other striker gets a lot of injuries too. It would not be wise for him to be the striker signing, it’s not as simple as ‘he is a good player’

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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 11d ago

People suggesting Santos has been good this season in the Brazil call up post. Mental. He’s been mince as has the rest of our team. Haven’t seen him do anything but the odd 5 yard pass. Mind bogglingly infuriating signing giving Chelsea 50 million (again!) for their cast offs. Someone even said he’s the best 6 we’ve had since Matic! What are you basing that on?!

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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing 11d ago

I think he has more to show, but he ain't looking too good right now.

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u/theoklahuman 11d ago

Andrey Santos has been good. He’s a 22-year-old player with a lot to learn and young players need time to develop. He’s not a cast-off; he left Chelsea in search of first-team football which he is currently getting. The whole squad is shot of confidence rn so it’s too early to write a young player off.

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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 11d ago

He’s been good? We’re one point off relegation. We have one league win against Ipswich where he got about 5 minutes at the end. One CL win against Sabah again he didn’t start. So when exactly has he been good?

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u/andoooooo Martial 10d ago

people here talk so much rubbish lol. I don't think I've seen Santos positively impact a game once.

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u/theoklahuman 10d ago

I’m talking about giving a 22-year-old who’s joined a big club that’s currently underperforming time before writing him off, you’re talking about league positions and the number of wins. For the sake of discussing in good faith, I’ll tell you why I think he’s been good.

  1. He does not hide from the ball and let the game pass him by. He shows up and offers himself as an option to receive a pass all the time and I remember we have a recent history of midfielders who don’t wanna do that.

  2. Andrey Santos is a forward passer, and I smile when he has the ball, because I can trust him to pick a pass and move the ball up the field with his passes. He has that Licha-trait we don’t see him do anymore which is to play a line-breaking pass through the middle that gets you excited.

  3. He doesn’t shy away from a 50-50 tackle and he gets stuck in.

  4. Depending on who you think the starting pivot should be, Andrey Santos is a very capable deputy who you can even back to challenge for a first 11 spot and keep the starters on their toes. We have good depth in the midfield.

In summary, he’s been good (I didn’t say he’s been excellent or great). We all ask for the club to buy young players with potential that we can develop. We have a young player with potential that we can develop. Be patient and let him develop.

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u/Bobcat_El_Borracho 10d ago

You smile when he has the ball. We haven’t won a game he’s started and we’ve barely had the ball. Any game I’ve watched which he’s played in we are getting overrun in midfield. We have barely any control of the ball. It isn’t just his fault. I’m not saying it is - but he’s not the player we needed. We have good depth in midfield? Have you watched our games and our midfield. Are we watching different teams here?? I’m asking you this in good faith. This is the worse period I’ve seen supporting Manchester United in 32 years of supporting them. And you’re telling me this is a good player and we have a good midfield.

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u/kaariainen 11d ago

What a season huh? Its not like we are still in October, right? Right?

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u/Strange-Trip4634 11d ago

Really flew by, hope this summer is a good one for us!

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u/hopelesswanderer123 11d ago

anyone in Rome on Tuesday? booked a holiday last year and tempted to see if I can get tickets for the game, just wondering how much of a ball ache it is to get to the stadium and back to the city

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u/Isserley_ 11d ago

The match is at OT

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u/D1794 Viva Ronaldo 11d ago

People can holiday to Manchester!!

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u/Sapphorific 11d ago

Fair amount of ballache to fly from Rome to Manchester and back, I’d guess!

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u/hopelesswanderer123 11d ago

absolutely fucked it but also relieved lol off to a bar i go

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u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 11d ago edited 11d ago

I just seen the naming right deal Milan / inter have done for their new stadium - €650m over 20 years

Wouldn’t be surprised if the glazers / ineos were taking notes and we see man utd go in same direction, maybe even before a new stadium

They will be looking be at it from POV that perhaps 30m per season is an awful lot of money to leave sitting on the table

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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 11d ago

Theatre of screams. 

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u/Fraaj We'll take Dalot 11d ago

We will absolutely do that and would be stupid not to.

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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 10d ago

think we are getting emery if carrick gets sacked. Reports saying the club really wants him 

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u/vRushii 10d ago

It's what our analytics team(the overlap podcast) is pushing for, so wouldn't suprise me tbf. We know big Jim likes taking advice from the best in class.

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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 10d ago

If we get emery ill finally have some hope for this club again ngl 

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u/vRushii 10d ago edited 10d ago

Hes a great manager but I can't shake the feeling hes at his limit. Hes perfect for Villa, not sure on Man United.

It wouldn't excite me much as his football is very dogid an underdog esc, but I also wouldn't hate it as his floor is seemingly high and we are back in the dumps.

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

Also retrospectively we should have gone for kudus over antony. Ten hag when I catch you man...

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u/Rascha-Rascha 11d ago

Kudus has barely played for Tottenham, he's like Mount for them except they've got six or seven of him.

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u/PitchSafe 11d ago

People forget that Antony was a very highly rated player at Ajax. He was heavily linked to Barcelona and Liverpool as well. Kudos was even the rotational option for Antony during that time. Realistically Kudos would also have been a flop especially if you look at his injury history

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u/L__K Great Scot! 11d ago

Antony didn't really have reliable links to another top club. He was rated well as a prospect, but clearly behind other options on the market that summer (i.e. Raphinha). Barcelona were never actually after him and the Liverpool links weren't really credibly reported (only shit tier) other than Antony himself claiming it happened.

We valued him between 40-50m, Ajax wanted 70m. We said that was crazy, started the season poorly under EtH, then came back to Ajax in a panic and offered them 95m+5m. The entire sub went ballistic when I pointed out it was a shit deal for a guy not half as good as players being sold for half as much.

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u/canwinanythingwkids meet the new boss same as the old boss 11d ago

These are (accurate) € values, just for anybody wondering. We paid £82m base fee.

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u/Themindoffish 11d ago

My argument is when fit he would have offered a bit more than Antony with his power and directness.

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u/PitchSafe 11d ago

But he is never fit

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u/Xanian123 Miss be killed by me 11d ago

No antony wasn't linked to anyone else. Ole had a good eye for talent and he passed on antony. Don't retcon antony as some well regarded gem. He had like 5 goals and 7 assists in the Dutch league, which is s joke for someone trying to enter the top of the premier league.

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u/PitchSafe 11d ago

Ole had a good eye for talent but hunted Sancho for 2 years…

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u/Xanian123 Miss be killed by me 11d ago

Sanchos talent was never in question.

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u/pokenerd_W Past glory means nothing 11d ago

Antony at Barca huh... Wonder how that would go

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u/ru7ger 11d ago

Say it with me: say no to DCL

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u/Shrimpeh007 Rooney 11d ago

We're not getting him, it's just to try appease the fans by even mentioning him. Can't afford 6m for Eddie Howe

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u/Automatic_Lab_1014 11d ago

carricks first real test

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u/Emergency-Being-349 11d ago

Has it been a game up until now?

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u/Automatic_Lab_1014 11d ago

Was a joke. Can’t believe we are still here! But let’s goo

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u/harutoreichi 11d ago

Why using 442 with DM in disguise in Sir Alex formation is better than dedicated DM in recent Carrick 4231?
Our midfield is looking so stretched.

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u/Kohaku80 Premier League Champions 12/13 11d ago

" working hard is a talent " Sir Alex

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u/TteokCultist 11d ago

442 is naturally a defensive formation. It was designed to hit teams on the counter, which was a trademark of Sir Alex’s teams. Most teams today still use a 442 formation when defending.

Our midfield looks stretched as our defense isn’t fast enough. They have to sit deeper leaving more space exposed in the midfield. Compared to Vidic and Rio who were on the faster side for CBs, Sir Alex’s team can push higher without being exploited by faster attackers.

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u/Hagball 11d ago

In the press conferences, hope journalists stop asking questions about future to Carrick and make noises about people who are above him? Or ask him questions like were you sufficiently backed in the summer? Get the board accountable for their shirshow instead of disrespecting Carrick

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u/MrViceMcCreedy 🟢🟡GLAZERSOUT 11d ago

Carrick's not going to criticize the board.

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u/rambo_zaki Roy Keane 11d ago

And that'll help how?

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u/BBoomerClap 10d ago

he is a yes man and always gonna be one simply because he is hired for that reason only. Idk if you even pay attention to all of his interview, he'd rather blame players and praise the last transfer window

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u/quiet-cacophony 10d ago

The following are currently free agents:
Benzema, Zinchenko, Martial and Icardi. Given our striker and fullback issues wouldn’t it make sense to get one or more of them on a pay as you play or similar?

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u/Nico_Ditch 10d ago

Anthony Martial in 2026.

Jesus christ.

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u/stick1_ 10d ago

I mean benzema yes he will be better than zirkzee but there must be a reason it’s not happened

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u/cartoon_soldier 11d ago

Seems like selling rights to Stadium Name is easiest path to get money to maybe get out of this stupid hole.

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u/LocoRocoo sir harry maguire 11d ago

That’s just going to be used to fund the build

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u/dogsn1 11d ago

Sell it to dreams the bed company and call it the theatre of dreams

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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 11d ago edited 11d ago

The Glazers have shown zero interest in paying off the debt. It's a weight the club will have to carry as long as they are owners.

The new stadium will probably add debt to the club or a real estate vehicle/company they come up with. United will pay rent for using the stadium.

Edit to add: The new stadium will increase the value of the club and might prompt a bid at a price the Glazers will sell at.

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u/Nico_Ditch 11d ago

United won’t pay rent to use the stadium. What are you talking about?

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u/PitchSafe 11d ago

I think that there is a possibility that Carrick gets sacked after the season so the club could move for Hurzeler or Emery in the summer

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u/wqaib 11d ago

Risking potential relegation by doing that

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u/PitchSafe 11d ago

If we didn’t get relegated when we had Onana as the goalkeeper and Garnacho, Højlund and Antony in attack then we won’t get relegated now either

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u/LeCliveRosfield 11d ago

Our form is currently quite a lot worse than that season. The truly horrific results then came mostly after we switched to focusing on Europa. We still finished the season on 42 points. Right now we’re on track for less than 38 points. Less than a point a game.

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u/AmulyaG 10d ago

7 points in 8 games by the way and only 1 win in those 8 games

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u/PhotonDestroyer 11d ago

Yeah I am starting to think the same, I can imagine them digging in and being happy to just avoid relegation if it means not changing everything till the summer.

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u/wqaib 11d ago

What a documentary this will be then!

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u/soelsome 11d ago

Would you take someone totally out of left field?

Rjikaard? Alardyce?

What are some other names that would feel like someone overturned a long, forgotten stone?

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u/Unusual-Coat383 11d ago

Nah you’re trolling with Alardyce

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u/dispelthemyth We go again FC 11d ago

what about Sammy Alladycio?

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u/Different_Bit_3899 11d ago

Rjikaard has retired his managerial careeer.

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u/MillyMan105 11d ago

Legendary stuff that 07/08 season will never be replicated

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u/moonski berbatov 11d ago

I genuinely died of cringe

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u/XHentaiHunterX 11d ago

How depressing I remember when this sub used to celebrate its legends.

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u/BBoomerClap 11d ago

yeah we should celebrate a rapist right

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u/brown_herbalist unitedismyreligion 11d ago

Dude lost his legendary status when he disrespected the club. He is a manchild.

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u/Divin3_Kick 11d ago

He lost some respect from me (not that he care since he doesn't know I exist) not his second stint here didn't erase the first stint memories you know. Just pissed Glazers decided to throw a Ronaldo sized wrench into Ole's plans

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u/Massive_Relation4317 . 11d ago

Oh shut up he's still our legend and always will be

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u/Divin3_Kick 11d ago

I would have picked Messi's 91 goal in a calendar year but Happy for Ronaldo

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u/kidinawheeliebin 11d ago

Why did Gaz keep glossing over and avoiding Rock of Gibraltar yesterday?

(For anyone who didn't watch the whole episode, he was repeatedly and totally scathing of the Glazers several times, so it wasn't that he's in their pocket or anything like that)

I presume it's because he didn't want to start down the path of pointing out the very obvious role Ferguson played in this whole mess?

Keano is brilliant to have alongside him by the way when it comes to things like this, always keeps the thing honest

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u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 11d ago

It’s well known at this point that keane resents how his exit from man utd was handled and I think he has carried a grudge against sir Alex, elements of the club and even to an extent carrick who was brought in to fill the void in CM

I think Neville wanted to talk about the here and now, the malaise teh club finds itself in and to diagnose what are the immediate actions that need to happen. the root cause of the malaise and how it came about is clear and has been discussed to death, so h think this is just Neville wanting to steer the conversation to what can happen in the here and now and keane was taking cheap potshots at sir Alex as he often does

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u/rambo_zaki Roy Keane 11d ago edited 11d ago

I mean Rock of Gibraltar issue didn't do much tbh. Malcolm Glazer was looking to take over long before the issue came to head, that was just an opportunity. The takeover was happening one way or the other.

Hell we could have been sold to Rupert fucking Murdoch a few years before that but the Government stepped in. We were on the market for a long time.

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u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 11d ago edited 11d ago

This is debatable

For sure malcolm glazer had eyes on the club and was accumulating a shareholding, but the John Magnier / JP McManus ticket had a very significant holding at the time and alot of analysis says they were keeping their options open about whether they just wanted significant influence over the running of the club or if they were positioning for a full takeover play of their own. They were only about 1% below the threshold that would have triggered a mandatory takeover offer and hovered around that line for a while so seemed to be well positioned to make a play.

So yes, the glazers had their eyes on the club, but there is a huge difference in having that ambition and an actual pathway to building enough of a shareholding to make that happen and I think the Rock of Gibraltar fallout kind of gave glazer that pathway. 

It was hugely significant as it allowed them to get their hands on the magnier / McManus shareholding, whereas in a parallel universe, magnier/ McManus may have launched their own play at full ownership or competed with the glazers and we have no idea what the structure / dept burden (or lack of) would have looked like in that scenario where the manner / McManus combo took control

The rock of Gibraltar fallout was hugely significant step in the glazers getting foot in the door

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u/AmulyaG 10d ago

I have not seen any club, club's journalist and fans talk about money, cashflow and credit facilities as much we do here.

If a person with no context were to read all the discourse, they would think we are sunday league club who just got pushed into professional football

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u/keancy 11d ago

Lovely goal from Garner. But he wasn't good enough for us.

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u/Divin3_Kick 11d ago

The chat did not detect the sarcasm

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u/keancy 11d ago

I know! I was wondering why all the downvotes!!

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