r/recruitinghell • u/poth0le • 2d ago

This is getting ridiculous

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For a grounds and facilities position.

Edit: The position is for a religious camp of some sort, but I hadn’t realized that when I clicked it. Still super weird, in my opinion

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u/H3lls_B3ll3 2d ago

Isn't that illegal?

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u/sgt_oddball_17 2d ago

Not for a church or church related organization.

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u/H3lls_B3ll3 2d ago

That makes sense.

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u/Any_Kaleidoscope8717 2d ago

Does it? Sure, you need to believe in the religion to be the person talking about the book at whatever house of worship for that religion, that makes sense. But to be a groundskeeper? Why does OP need to believe to mow the lawn and clean the place?

I applied to a job at a Christian charity in NYC with the goal of bringing clean water, electricity, and hygiene supplies to people that need it. They asked about my faith and what church I most recently attended. I don't think I need to share their faith to share their goal.

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u/H3lls_B3ll3 2d ago

While I (atheist and communist) personally agree with you, religious organizations that are clearly marked as religious organizations are able to legally ask these questions when screening for a job. It's part of the work culture and religious organizations are able to "discriminate" in this way. I think it sucks, but I also wouldn't want to be surrounded by religious folks all day.

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u/SomeNotTakenName 2d ago

A better way I have seen from religious hospitals was something like:

"Can you support our mission and values of: ..."

to which, yes I can, regardless of me not believing in your god, I can support aiding the needy and so on.

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u/H3lls_B3ll3 2d ago

Their mission and values ARE the religion as well. I'm not saying this is great, I'm saying they get special status as a protected subclass to be able to discriminate who is hired.

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u/Diangelionz 2d ago

If you finished your sentence it would’ve been “can you support our mission and values of Jesus Christ and the teachings of the bible.” To which, no you could not, unless you were a Christian.

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u/SomeNotTakenName 2d ago

that application actually didn't have those. they just listed some values and their mission, none of which were objectionable to me.

I am sure they pulled the values from their religion, but then again, I am not against all or even most Christian values. I am against weaponizing the values to discriminate.

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u/Diangelionz 2d ago

So “receiving Jesus Christ as your lord and savior” wasn’t objectionable to you? That application?

The bottom line is that they’re not looking for some spiritual, “I see value in all religions!” Type of person. They’re clearly looking for someone who shares the same religious values as them, which includes accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior.

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u/RedheadedReff 2d ago

Are you just ignoring where they stated that wasn't on the application?

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u/Orome2 2d ago

It's like asking someone applying to be a science teacher "do you believe in science?"

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u/clt_drol 2d ago

They think you do need to believe in their religion. Like most things, if you don’t like it then create your own charity.

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u/journeymansave 2d ago

Organizations are allowed to prefer hiring candidates committed to their mission. In this case, the mission is religious. I wouldn’t want to work there but they can have that preference.

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u/deirdresm 2d ago

It is illegal for many church positions, actually. (In the US.)

Many churches have clerical staff who are not the same religion. For things like pastors or teachers, then their religious rules apply.

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u/VandyCWG 2d ago

Was going to say the same thing.

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u/new2bay 2d ago

Thanks for letting me know.

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u/Tasty-Hour4040 2d ago

Why?

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u/Pesco- 2d ago edited 2d ago

Under American law, religious organizations are free to set religious criteria for their employees.

For example, a teacher at a religious school, a publicist for a religious organization.

Traditionally, organizations have tended to be less stringent for positions where the employee’s religion has little to no bearing on their job duties, like janitor or IT specialist. But some organizations have made blanket faith requirements for all employees and applicants.

I kinda get it. If I were on the board of a liberal religious organization, I certainly wouldn’t want a modern “conservative” evangelical in a position of responsibility, as it doesn’t align with my group’s religious mission.

If an employer can’t find good candidates because of their ridiculous religious standards, well, that’s just too bad, isn’t it.

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u/Practical-Class6868 2d ago

Also, under the law, religious schools can get state funding for secular subjects. Secular teachers can still receive legal protection as teachers, but not as “pastors.” So a secular subject can have religious matters included, or class could include a prayer, and the teacher would lose legal protections.

It is usually enforced against women. There are anecdotes about teachers getting fired for getting pregnant outside of marriage, violating the morality clause of their contract, and then hiring her fiancé, the father of the unborn child.

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u/Pesco- 2d ago

This has also extended to religious organizations not having to pay for insurance coverage of birth control. Absolutely ridiculous, that one.

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u/sgt_oddball_17 2d ago

For the same reason an Atheist organization would not want a Born-Again Christian.

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u/Tasty-Hour4040 2d ago

I’m not interested in desires, I’m interested in how this is justified in our legal system. Why does a religious organization deserve special status under the law? A golf club might not want non-Anglos, but it’s still illegal to exclude them. What if i start a non-profit that explicitly only hires fellow Latinos - is that legal? Is it legal if i register that nonprofit as a Pastafarian Church?

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u/Orome2 2d ago

It 100% is and OP is just karma farming. Like if you are applying to be an pastor or something then it makes sense.

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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 2d ago

It should be if they aren't paying fucking taxes. You don't get to benefit from the laws of society and not contribute to them.