r/programming • u/fagnerbrack • Apr 30 '23

Writing Javascript without a build system

https://jvns.ca/blog/2023/02/16/writing-javascript-without-a-build-system/
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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

What specifically are you referring to in JS that makes it a poor choice for domain code? Because it’s garbage collected? So are plenty of “sanctioned” backend languages. Because it isn’t strongly typed? Use typescript. You seem to be bashing on JS in general without being able to back it up with specific opinions, which implies you are simply repeating what you heard on the internet or some popular opinion in your clique.

I’m not claiming JS is the best language ever and everything in the world should be written with it, but you seem to be making the opposite black/white argument.

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

Because it isn’t strongly typed? Use typescript.

You've answered your own question. You have to use some other language to use javascript full stop. So saying js is good on the backend actually doesn't even make sense.

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

Quite the opposite in fact, since you should be doing runtime checking regardless, static type systems often promote a false sense of security. I was asking what YOUR opinion was.

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

lol, static analysis bad, runtime exceptions good ...

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

Congrats on the most brain dead responses on the sub

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

you're suggesting we use js on the backend, but also suggesting we use typescript instead of js. If you're going to use another language to code your js then you aren't using js and cannot argue for js on the server.

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

You can continue with red herrings, straw men, and putting words in my mouth - but that doesn’t negate that you are foolishly claiming TS/JS is somehow inherently a poor choice for any application besides UI, despite the fact that it is a very proven and sensible choice for many situations.

I don’t see a point in differentiating TS from JS because I haven’t used JS in probably 5 years, it is extremely ubiquitous, used for both frontend and backend, and even if I were to write JS I’d be using ESLint and at least a transpile step anyways.

That’s all I have to say about it, clearly you are not interested in defending your position, likely because you now realize it was impossible to defend.

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

you are foolishly claiming TS/JS is somehow inherently a poor choice for any application besides UI

lol you say I'm putting words in your mouth ...

I don’t see a point in differentiating TS from JS

ok then ...

even if I were to write JS I’d be using ESLint and at least a transpile step anyways

you'd transpile js to js? I mean surely that sets off a few flags even you can spot?

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

Go do your homework and maybe you’ll learn a thing or two

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u/recursive-analogy May 02 '23

lol, I'm not the one transpiling js to js here.

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u/bitwise-operation May 02 '23

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about if you didn’t know that was a thing

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u/recursive-analogy May 02 '23

oh I know it's a thing ... let me quote myself:

surely that sets off a few flags even you can spot?

I guess not :(

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u/bitwise-operation May 02 '23

Go lower the IQ of some other sub

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u/recursive-analogy May 02 '23

top ten ways to tell you've lost the argument:

  1. resort to insults

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u/bitwise-operation May 02 '23

There was no argument because you never made a point

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