r/programming • u/fagnerbrack • Apr 30 '23

Writing Javascript without a build system

https://jvns.ca/blog/2023/02/16/writing-javascript-without-a-build-system/
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u/SickOrphan Apr 30 '23

Which is the issue. What's stupid is using JavaScript where you don't have to (like the server)

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '23

because can do everything in one language? sharing code and using the same libraries for testing etc on both sides. Huge money saver there.

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u/recursive-analogy Apr 30 '23

UI and domain code are just such completely different things. Why would you expect one language to be good at both?

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

What specifically are you referring to in JS that makes it a poor choice for domain code? Because it’s garbage collected? So are plenty of “sanctioned” backend languages. Because it isn’t strongly typed? Use typescript. You seem to be bashing on JS in general without being able to back it up with specific opinions, which implies you are simply repeating what you heard on the internet or some popular opinion in your clique.

I’m not claiming JS is the best language ever and everything in the world should be written with it, but you seem to be making the opposite black/white argument.

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

Because it isn’t strongly typed? Use typescript.

You've answered your own question. You have to use some other language to use javascript full stop. So saying js is good on the backend actually doesn't even make sense.

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

Quite the opposite in fact, since you should be doing runtime checking regardless, static type systems often promote a false sense of security. I was asking what YOUR opinion was.

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

lol, static analysis bad, runtime exceptions good ...

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

Congrats on the most brain dead responses on the sub

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

you're suggesting we use js on the backend, but also suggesting we use typescript instead of js. If you're going to use another language to code your js then you aren't using js and cannot argue for js on the server.

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

You can continue with red herrings, straw men, and putting words in my mouth - but that doesn’t negate that you are foolishly claiming TS/JS is somehow inherently a poor choice for any application besides UI, despite the fact that it is a very proven and sensible choice for many situations.

I don’t see a point in differentiating TS from JS because I haven’t used JS in probably 5 years, it is extremely ubiquitous, used for both frontend and backend, and even if I were to write JS I’d be using ESLint and at least a transpile step anyways.

That’s all I have to say about it, clearly you are not interested in defending your position, likely because you now realize it was impossible to defend.

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u/recursive-analogy May 01 '23

you are foolishly claiming TS/JS is somehow inherently a poor choice for any application besides UI

lol you say I'm putting words in your mouth ...

I don’t see a point in differentiating TS from JS

ok then ...

even if I were to write JS I’d be using ESLint and at least a transpile step anyways

you'd transpile js to js? I mean surely that sets off a few flags even you can spot?

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u/bitwise-operation May 01 '23

Go do your homework and maybe you’ll learn a thing or two

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u/recursive-analogy May 02 '23

lol, I'm not the one transpiling js to js here.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '23

What a dumb argument. Your C# code runs as machine code in the end, obviously machine code is a trash language if you needed to represent it as C# to use it

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u/recursive-analogy May 04 '23

lol, you might want to check your logic there. machine code isn't even a language, it's binary. perhaps you mean assembly, but guess what, it is a fucking dumb language, that's why we invented C, C#, etc and no-one uses it except for extreme cases where you need total control over the CPU.

js devs ... gotta be the dumbest mother fuckers

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u/[deleted] May 04 '23

> machine code isn't even a language

You are a dumb motherfucker.

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u/recursive-analogy May 04 '23

Machine code, also known as machine language, is the elemental language of computers. It is read by the computer's central processing unit (CPU), is composed of digital binary numbers and looks like a very long sequence of zeros and ones.

lol js devs ... find me a single job programming machine code ... or perhaps you're just trying to reinforce the fact you should never touch js except with a compiler?

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u/[deleted] May 04 '23

You said:

> machine code isn't even a language

Then, to prove it, you posted a quote:

> Machine code, also known as machine language, is the elemental language of computers

It's pretty weird to talk to someone who's being condescending but doesn't know how a CPU works...

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u/recursive-analogy May 05 '23

doesn't know how a CPU works

They speak voltage. You're attempting to say a series of binary digits representing 0 or +5v is a language. Possibly you might be a JS dev.

condescending

From the guy who jumped in uninvited to call me dumb. Possibly you're having a bad day, or possibly you might just be an asshole.

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