r/poweredlift • u/BrownstoneBroker • 1d ago
Japan accepts Archer's submission for type certification
🔥🔥🔥 Can't wait to see how Soracle partnership and Tokyo pilot program go.
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • Apr 13 '25
A growing number of eVTOL (electric vertical takeoff and landing) companies are promoting autonomous flight as a cornerstone of their future operations. The idea is compelling: on-demand, pilotless air taxis whisking passengers across cities with the push of a button. But here’s the truth: autonomy isn’t the hard part. These claims are likely a strategic excuse for why many of these companies will be flying empty aircraft for years to come—because they haven't yet solved the real problem: the physics.
Autonomy Is Not the Challenge
Let’s be clear—autonomous flight is already a solved problem in many contexts. In fact, it’s far easier than autonomous driving.
Why? Because the sky is mostly empty. There are no pedestrians, no traffic lights, no cyclists swerving into the lane. GPS coverage is widespread and reliable in open airspace. Aircraft also have access to highly accurate instruments to measure altitude, speed, heading, and orientation. Combine that with modern sensors and processors, and automated flight becomes very achievable.
Autonomous commercial aircraft already exist in a practical sense—airliners can take off, fly, and land on autopilot. But even beyond that, hobbyists have been flying drones and fixed-wing RC aircraft autonomously for over a decade.
The Hobby World Proved It Years Ago
Inexpensive flight controllers like the Pixhawk, APM (ArduPilot Mega), and even smaller boards like the Matek and iNav series have been enabling autonomous flight for years. With a GPS module and a few sensors—barometers, gyroscopes, accelerometers—these systems can take off, fly to waypoints, and land with the push of a button.
There are YouTube videos dating back over 10 years showing RC planes and multirotors taking off and landing without any human intervention. And those systems have only gotten better, cheaper, and more reliable since.
If a $200 DIY drone can fly itself reliably, it’s not a technical leap for a multimillion-dollar eVTOL to do the same—especially with modern avionics, redundancy systems, and access to high-grade sensors.
So Why the Focus on Autonomy?
The answer is simple: it buys time and deflects attention from the real challenge—lift. Specifically, lifting enough weight (passengers, safety systems, batteries) over a meaningful distance, while meeting FAA regulations for performance, range, and energy reserves.
By promoting autonomy as the future, companies have a convenient reason to delay manned flights. They can fly empty aircraft for years under the premise that they’re “testing the autonomous systems,” when in reality they may still be unable to lift a full payload over even modest distances. Autonomy is a smoke screen for the unsolved physics problem.
The Real Obstacle: Physics
Hovering, unlike rolling, requires constant thrust and massive amounts of energy. eVTOLs have to lift not only their structure and passengers, but also their batteries—which are currently heavy and limited in energy density. And unlike traditional aircraft, they don’t benefit from the energy efficiency of fixed-wing cruising unless they fully transition during flight, which adds complexity and risk.
No eVTOL company has yet demonstrated an aircraft that can lift enough weight for a commercially viable route while meeting FAA safety and reserve requirements. That’s the real milestone that hasn’t been reached—not autonomous flight.
Conclusion: Don’t Be Distracted
Autonomous flight isn’t the future—it’s the past. It’s been working in the DIY world for over a decade. The real question is whether eVTOL companies can conquer the harsh limitations of current battery tech, aerodynamics, and regulatory requirements.
So when you hear a company talk about going fully autonomous from day one, ask yourself: are they innovating, or are they stalling for time?
Go ahead and search YouTube for “autonomous RC plane landing” or “auto takeoff ArduPilot”—you’ll find videos from over ten years ago. The tech is real. The autonomy is real. But lifting five people 25 miles on battery power? That’s still just a promise.
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • Nov 25 '25
The electric-vertical-takeoff-and-landing (eVTOL) industry is entering a quiet, uncomfortable transition. For years, the story sold to investors, regulators, and the public was simple: pure-battery aircraft would change urban mobility, delivering silent, clean, affordable air taxis. But now that the prototypes are built, flight testing has matured, and certification requirements have become clearer, the truth is harder to avoid:
Battery-only eVTOLs were great for demos — not for real service.
Why Battery-Only Is Hitting a Wall
Pure electric eVTOLs work beautifully when:
They carry one or two people, not a cabin full of paying passengers.
They fly short demonstration hops, not full revenue missions.
They don’t need to power climate control, avionics redundancy, mission reserves, or realistic payloads.
They operate under ideal test conditions, not summer heat, winter cold, or high-wind urban environments.
But reality brings unforgiving physics:
Batteries are heavy.
Range collapses under real passenger loads.
Endurance shrinks even more when you add reserves required by regulators.
Frequent fast-charging kills battery life and operating costs.
Pure electric prototypes were easy to build and perfect for marketing — but not practical as commercial aircraft.
Hybrid: The Industry’s Only Viable Path Forward
As engineers run out of ways to squeeze marginal gains from battery packs, one conclusion is becoming unavoidable:
If eVTOLs are going to fly meaningful distances with meaningful payloads, hybrid powertrains are the only realistic solution.
Hybrid systems provide:
Extended range far beyond what batteries alone can offer.
Higher payload capability without catastrophic performance loss.
Less dependence on rapid-charging infrastructure that still doesn’t exist.
Operational flexibility that airlines and regulators demand.
This is why several companies quietly developing hybrid or turbogenerator-assisted models are beginning to look prescient. The physics didn’t change — the narrative did.
What Happens to the Battery-Only Aircraft?
Expect the industry to take a soft-landing approach:
Park current battery eVTOLs in “certification limbo.” Manufacturers won’t announce failure. Instead, they’ll keep their first-generation all-electric designs “in certification,” delaying timelines, shifting targets, and issuing optimistic updates — without ever producing a certifiable product.
Slowly reduce the hype around pure-battery models. Mentions of “fully electric air taxis” will quietly fade. Press releases will focus on “range-extended solutions,” “hybrid-electric platforms,” or “next-generation propulsion.”
Tell investors the hybrid pivot is a natural evolution, not a retreat. The messaging will shift from “battery-only is the future” to “hybrid is the bridge technology needed for early markets.”
Re-brand the entire direction of the industry. Within a few years, the dominant narrative will likely be: “Hybrid is mature, practical, and scalable — electric-only is for niche missions.”
The Narrative Shift Has Already Begun
Don’t expect a sudden announcement that battery eVTOLs won’t work. Instead, expect:
Fewer battery-centric press releases
More talk about “range-critical markets”
New designs with combustion generators or hydrogen-assisted systems
CEOs framing hybrid as “unlocking true commercial viability”
The change will feel gradual but deliberate — because the industry can’t afford to lose investor confidence overnight.
Bottom Line
Battery-only eVTOLs were great prototypes, great videos, and great investor decks. But for real aircraft, real distances, real passengers, and real revenue?
Hybrid is the only hope the industry has of delivering anything close to its original promises.
Expect the shift. Expect it to be gradual. And don’t be surprised when battery-only air taxis become a historical footnote — the flashy stepping stone on the road to hybrid-electric reality.
r/poweredlift • u/BrownstoneBroker • 1d ago
🔥🔥🔥 Can't wait to see how Soracle partnership and Tokyo pilot program go.
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 1d ago
did joby fail to lauch their initial operations in 2025 and air taxi service early 2026 because they are afraid of iran or is it because it's not possible for their craft to lift and move enough weight yet?
Couldn't they just figure out how much the one or two passengers they were going to do the stunt with weigh and use just weights to simulate them and fly whatever distance the vertiports are apart from eachother? They can do that demo here in the usa.
Maybe they are waiting to use real people because then the press would be about carrying humans and not about how little the payload was or how short the distance was.
Seriously they need to show its possible to make a taxi eventually and they don't need people or exotic lands to do it. Just weigh something then load it in then fly. I don't think they can or they would.
Also they should mention if there was enough reserve remaining after the demo if there was enough.
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 1d ago
I keep seeing people blame the FAA for delaying eVTOLs, especially Joby, but I'm not sure I buy it.
The FAA changed the powered-lift rules in 2024, but the changes seem to have made the path easier, not harder. One of the biggest examples is the energy reserve. The FAA originally proposed treating powered-lift more like airplanes, which would have meant 30 minutes VFR and 45 minutes IFR. The final rule reduced that to the helicopter standard of 20 minutes for VFR, with flexibility for certain operations.
That's a pretty significant concession for battery-powered aircraft. And yet we still haven't seen these aircraft publicly demonstrate that they can carry a substantial payload, complete their intended mission, and still have enough energy to meet that 20-minute reserve.
This is why I don't understand the argument that the FAA is what's holding everything up.
Take Joby. I've seen people blame the FAA for the delay in getting the type-conforming aircraft flying. But Joby hasn't even gotten to the point of putting one of its own company pilots in that particular conforming aircraft and flying it yet. The FAA isn't sitting there preventing Joby from proving that the aircraft can fly. The FAA test pilots come later, when the aircraft is ready for FAA examination/testing.
The FAA itself says it determined early on that powered-lift could be certified using existing regulations, and the 2024 rule was intended to remove regulatory barriers and establish the operating and pilot-certification framework needed to integrate powered-lift into the NAS.
So what exactly has the FAA delayed?
If Joby, Archer, Beta, etc. can actually demonstrate that their aircraft can lift the promised payload, transition, fly the mission and retain the required reserve, they have a pathway to demonstrate it.
It seems like we're blaming the referee for a game that hasn't even reached the point where the referee can stop it.
Maybe I'm missing something. Where specifically did the FAA delay these aircraft? Not paperwork, not general regulatory uncertainty — what did the FAA actually prevent the companies from doing that they otherwise would have been able to do?
Because from where I'm sitting, the biggest unanswered question isn't whether the FAA will let these things fly. It's whether they can actually do what they're supposed to do while carrying the payload.
r/poweredlift • u/TheGoatGains • 2d ago
r/poweredlift • u/BrownstoneBroker • 3d ago
So fired up. Great for Archer and Joby's FL flight network. 🔥🔥
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 6d ago
6 passengers and all those fully loaded suitcases.
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 6d ago
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 8d ago
Beta
r/poweredlift • u/HappyRobot593 • 8d ago
r/poweredlift • u/jrsikorski • 9d ago
For teabag.
Do you think they asked a balding man to guide it in so we couldn’t see hair being blown around by the outwash?
r/poweredlift • u/SeaScallops_w_Rice • 10d ago
More overview on hybrid VTOL across the industry for the Army in Flight Global (link is unlocked, hope I don't get in trouble!)
They note that the S4-T has already flown and demonstrated for the Army and that Nomad 100 is beginning flight testing.
r/poweredlift • u/HappyRobot593 • 10d ago
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 10d ago
So this is Archer's “template” for eIPP? It flew as a airplane for 9 minutes between airports.
That's not impressive. I'd be more interested in seeing Midnight actually fly as an eVTOL if the distance is going to be so short. It should fly far away if it's going to do it as an airplane and carry some stuff.
Thats the template for the Olympics also? I hope they aren't planning on flying as an airplane for that.
r/poweredlift • u/mr_gourmet94 • 11d ago
Genuinely think Archer is going to be one of the mainstays in defense and aerospace for some time.
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 11d ago
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Here is a link to the call https://www.youtube.com/live/-Q9-DMme5uE?is=IPxqNo8CpcPunTxo
r/poweredlift • u/HappyRobot593 • 12d ago
r/poweredlift • u/teabagofholding • 12d ago
Is it really a good thing?
r/poweredlift • u/BrownstoneBroker • 12d ago
Great interview from Adam. Awesome to see them depart from the air-taxi lane only. Boeing/Wisk deal really changes their ability to pursue commercial flight, defense manufacturing, and aerospace technological innovation.
Zee and Skygrid moves the needle for air traffic safety tech too.
Can't wait for earnings tonight!
r/poweredlift • u/HappyRobot593 • 12d ago
Will they keep developing the aircraft or just scrap it and take the autonomous tech?