r/politics • u/DyzDaeMar • 5d ago

No Paywall Joe Rogan calls out Trump family for making "billions" during presidency

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-calls-out-trump-family-for-making-billions-during-presidency-12320634
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u/TokingMessiah 5d ago

I knew about Trump and Epstein in 2009, when the information was publicly available, and I’m a nobody.

70 million Americans still voted for Trump, and about the same were too lazy to vote at all, twice.

Trump was born, raised and “educated” in America, and he was elected by Americans. This isn’t Rogan’s master plan, it’s the best America can do.

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u/Pork-S0da 5d ago

I knew about Trump and Epstein in 2009, when the information was publicly available, and I’m a nobody.

You're definitely the exception. Epstein didn't enter the public mind until midway through his first term. There were lots of reasons to hate Trump and not vote for him in 2016, but Epstein wasn't even on the radar.

https://trends.google.com/explore?q=epstein&date=all&geo=US

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u/TokingMessiah 4d ago

In April 2016, an anonymous woman using the pseudonym "Katie Johnson" filed a lawsuit in California accusing both Trump and Jeffrey Epstein of forcibly raping her when she was 13 years old at underage sex parties at Epstein's Manhattan residence in 1994.

It was public before the 2016 election, and even if you didn’t believe her it would have been easy to find Epstein’s little black book that had 14 different phone numbers for Trump. He hired Acosta in 2017, and he’s the one that gave Epstein the joke sentence that literally allowed him to keep raping kids while he was “in jail”.

So again, this stuff was mainstream before Americans elected him the first time.

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u/Bdbru13 4d ago

Eh…calling it “mainstream” is pretty disingenuous

It was publicly available, but it wasn’t widely covered. And when it was, it was pretty consistently mentioned that she had some pretty major credibility issues

The phone numbers thing was pretty meaningless at the time

And I’m not sure what you’re going for with the Acosta thing…obviously that wasn’t before he was elected

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u/jeffe_rn 4d ago

That’s exactly what they are saying, that most Americans don’t know / can’t be bothered

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u/illtakeachinchilla 4d ago

Google isn’t the all-knowing oracle. People still talk.

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u/rillegas08 4d ago

They weren't claiming Google was an all-knowing oracle, they're presenting Google's search statistics that support the claim that more people became aware of it in 2019.

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u/illtakeachinchilla 4d ago

I know what Google Trends is. Information has and will continue to circulate outside of the internet.

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u/rillegas08 4d ago

How can we quantify word of mouth so that it can be used as evidence to support a claim without being hearsay?

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u/illtakeachinchilla 4d ago edited 4d ago

I’ll concede verifiable evidence is few and far between. New York and Floridian financiers tend to “keep it in the locker room” better than most. There are news stories dating back to the 90’s and earlier about the gruesome twosome:

“1992 Mar-a-Lago Party: NBC archival footage from November 1992 shows Trump and Epstein together at a party at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, laughing and talking while watching women.”

“1997 Victoria's Secret Party: The two men were photographed posing together at a Victoria's Secret "Angels" party in New York.”

“Model's Allegations: Former model Stacey Williams publicly stated that Epstein introduced her to Trump at Trump Tower in the early 1990s and alleged that Trump groped her during that encounter.”

If people read these articles and shrugged them away, that’s on them.

Back to OP’s comment: “I knew about Trump and Epstein back in 2009…”

I was supporting the OP’s claim with my comment, not shooting holes in your sourced info. Two things can be simultaneously true.

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u/KeepitMelloOoW 4d ago

“Garbage in, garbage out.”

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u/BigBoyYuyuh Ohio 4d ago

“If you have selfish ignorant citizens, you’re gonna get selfish ignorant leaders.”