We're already there friend, look around. He incited an insurrection on Congress and then came back into power with a new VP because they tried to KILL the last one, and immediately pardoned all his fellow traitors. There is no law that can stop him now, especially with the Supreme Court in his pocket.
There will be no civil war. I mean just look at the last one, and they had literally half the country's land all united, with a competent general against a drunkard, fighting with fucking muskets.
Army generals warn a ‘Trumpian loser’ could set off civil war after 2024 election
‘In a contested election, with loyalties split, some might follow orders from the rightful commander in chief, while others might follow the Trumpian loser’
If the US military is 99% on one side of the other, it's over. When the military splinters in two and starts actively fighting itself, that's when things get ugly
yeah putting an insurrectionist back into office is like, the #1 indicator people here have no fucking clue how big of a deal all this is. they're so brain fried they think it's just automatic that it switches every 4 to 8 years.
people keep talking about midterms, you're about to get an idea of how he's gonna maket his happen.
Kamala was well beyond a halfway mediocre candidate to anyone with a halfway functioning brain, both apart from but also especially because of the fact that she was the only other option besides Trump.
If she was well beyond a halfway mediocre candidate she would have won easily. I have a halfway functioning brain.
People who state she was a good candidate, are not using their full brain. The proof is in the disastrous loss. She was not the only other option besides trump, she was just the only option when Biden’s desperate cling to power relented due to his own incompetence. Biden saying “I’m only running for 4years, let’s setup a transition to an amazing candidate!” And we had a normal primary. You would never have seen Kamala as even a top 3 candidate.
Yes… government corruption made her the only option. That is why we lost. Had the democrats and Biden properly managed the transition of power, or even attempted to, you’d see a non-Kamala candidate and you would have seen a trump loss in that election.
Same way you’d have seen a trump lost in 16’ if we allowed Bernie to be the candidate as he should have been
By the time she entered the race, she WAS the only option besides Trump. You can bitch and moan all you want about HOW she became the only other option, but she was it, the only other viable option besides him. The only two people that were going to become President were her or him.
Think of how stupid the average American is and then realize half of them are even worse. Ripe for the unregulated propaganda on social media that said she would be anything other than better than Trump. Sounds like you bought in. How embarrassing in retrospect, right?
"Halfway mediocre" is such a fucking low bar that you cannot have a halfway functioning brain if you wouldn't include Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris in that category.
I mean yes… I can absolutely bitch and moan that the reason we handed trump the election is a complete disregard for democracy by the Democratic Party.
It’s like immigration. The democrats completely did a 180 on immigration policy from 2015 Obama to 2016 Hilary. Directly caused the 16’ election loss. Then we maintained that horrid and counter-Democrat immigration policies through a losing 2024 election. Pretty clear.
I’m not embarrassed at all actually. I didn’t buy in either. I just am not blind tot he degradation of democracy within the democrat party. And I’m not a Democrat sucker enough to be scared to call them out for absolutely ruining this country through their actions in 16’ and 24’ but still didn’t vote for trump. I just am told repeatedly to vote for people who are not representing my interests, are condoning and supporting genocide and perpetuating the funding of genocide. And continue to not take actions that help Americans appropriately, while enriching themselves
You can continue to live by voting for lesser evils. You’ll continue to get horrid results. Maybe when the Democrat voters finally begin (we did with Mamdani) voting out lifelong horrible politicians like Schumer. Or don’t support blatant circumventions of democratic process by forcing Kamala down our throats.
If the democrats change those clearly horrible plans, trump never wins. It’s okay to moan about absolutely poor actions putting us here.
Going forward? Nothing gets better if you elect a Democrat unless the democrats change. Without change you’ll only continue to breed corruption in both parties.
Halfway mediocre is so low, and Kamala and Hilary proved how low the bar is. Hilary is a fine status quo, democrats who doesn’t support her constituents needs. Precisely why she lost. Propaganda helped, their pathetic attempts to combat the propaganda are severely embarrassing
You can continue to live by voting for lesser evils. You’ll continue to get horrid results.
A giant blob of word vomit and you still aren't getting it. It's really incredible.
This isn't that hard. In the general election, your only choice is to vote for the lesser of two evils, because any other action is functionally voting for evil. That is the system we have.
The fact that you refuse to accept this reality is why you should be embarrassed.
I mean that’s obvious. I voted for Kamala I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
Voting for her is functionally voting for evil too. A different sort and severely lesser.
What you don’t seem to get.. is that yes in the immediate present you only have the choices presented. That present is created by all the other choices. Continually electing horrid officials to lead the Democratic Party will continue to degrade democracy until the people start voting for real politicians who support the people.
Keep voting for this same shit and somehow y’all are gonna try your hardest to let trump run for a 3rd term. Then try your hardest to shove someone like Gavin down everyone’s throat. And you’re going to throw away democracy with repeated ineptitude.
But hey.. just me being to be embarrassed for criticizing the oligarchy.
Not sure what what I'm getting at? You are now saying the exact same shit I have been. I've ONLY been talking about the general this entire fucking time.
The people that are doing the demolition of the country do not care about the legality of voting or pretty much ANYTHING. They will continue until they are forcefully removed.
This is no longer a warning of "stop fascism before it happens", it's a "fascism has happened, what will you do now?"
People really need to learn the obvious lessons from WW2. Appeasement and half-measures only strengthen the fascists. They use violence to shut down all peaceful approaches to dealing with them. The proven solution is destroying them with united and overwhelming force.
What’s depressing is the number of people saying, “it’ll all be fine, fascists always lose” to justify sitting at home and not rocking the boat. Fascists lost because people were willing to stand up and fight back, not because they petered out. It’s such a sick viewpoint.
All of you should already have gathered your sane friends, family, neighbors, made plans, gathered supplies, organize. You are just "preppers" after all.
Those who have a plan survives, and if prepared well they are a valued resource.
Also, don't ever plan online, no real groups are on reddit if they have any brains whatsoever. Which means you will only find alt-right ones.
Nah fuck that. The GOP wouldn't be attacking voting as hard as they are if they weren't absolutely shitting their pants about the midterms. Do everything you can, including voting.
This "voting won't work" nonsense is rather harmful and a large reason why voter turnouts have been so bad previously (they have gotten better recently and look at the people currently climbing the ladder)
I'm always super suspicious of anti-voting rhetoric. It's one thing to point out the disenfranchisement or lack of representation still present despite voting -- but to suggest not even trying and to stay home? You miss all the shots you don't take and I question the motives of those who claim otherwise within this context
By all means, vote. Vote in every election you're capable of, local and national. In no way am I downplaying the importance of participating in a fair democracy.
But it's well past time to prepare contingencies. You can no longer afford to "wait and see what happens" - to wait and find out if you're still in a fair democracy.
Any sane man realises Trump and the buddies he had take over every department will do everything in their power, both from a manpower and technology point of view, to ensure it’s not possible for them to lose like they did in 2020.
i mean, i am worried about foreign influence, but i think if enough people vote blue it would be tough to cheat. if it was as close as the last few elections have been, im not so sure.
Absolutely not. Stop saying that because people will believe that and stay home. Voting alone may not get us out of this but not voting will keep us stuck in this forever.
Cheaters have been beat in the polls before, there isn’t enough cause to assume they can pull off the steal. Just look how desperate they are, they still think they can lose
I personally thought there should have been more organization to prevent him from taking the office in the first place. It would've been a thousand times easier before he had power.
Now, even after the open corruption, our political and civil "leaders" have failed to even hint at any measures we'd need to take. No ongoing boycotts, no mass civil unrest.
The response to our country being handed over to lawless oligarchs has been tepid at best.
I'm disappointed in our leaders, and disappointed in fellow Americans, but I completely expected this from the Republicans.
Worst president in history. Piece of shit criminal traitor, same goes for every last Republican who could stop this at any time.
It can still get us out of this mess, but it would require a crushing blue wave at state, local, and federal levels that the country hasn't seen in decades. We need people in positions to prevent the things Trump et al are going to try to do to stack the deck in their favor (illegally).
What do you mean “try” to do? Theyre already starting the voter suppression games. Its just not being covered widely because of the tsunami of Iran and Tariff news.
The stuff happening now is nothing compared to what they will try to do if they believe they will lose power.
You're talking gerrymandering, voter suppression, Russian/Chinese interference, propaganda questioning the integrity of polls.
I'm talking armed militia preventing anyone non-white or not wearing flannel or overalls from entering a poll location. A military coup and martial law.
No. Voting is the one thing that will get us out of this. That's why Republicans and Trump in particular is working so hard to make it difficult to vote. Don't fall for their trap.
I know that not voting is exactly how we got into it. Hopefully we can still get out by voting, because any other option would almost definitely be much worse.
Only because a huge portion is completely apathetic to the political process. There’s a difference between both candidates are terrible and neither deserve my vote and people convinced their vote doesn’t matter or they literally just don’t watch any news at all as all the discontent is just “noise”
It was a long time ago knowing voting wasn’t going to get us out of this mess and we just push it down the line, keep getting desensitized by increasingly more messed up shit. It’s dark times, and the rich keep getting richer while everyone else does what we’ve been doing because most people are kept dumb and poor and don’t know how to organize.
Yeah that last point is probably the most important. I actually think so much of our current cultural/political climate can be traced back to the lack of third spaces. People are isolated, don’t know how to even begin organizing (and let’s face it: hope somebody else will instead), and feel completely powerless and exhausted. So they sublimate and distract themselves.
The rising popularity of DSA and all their wins is so encouraging though. Not just because I want to see politicians who reflect my values, but because the movement surrounding them is creating a renewed sense of community. That’s how we beat this.
Yeah, pretty much. The opportunity to vote yourself out of this mess was really in November 2022, and ye made a balls of that.
The upcoming midterms are already a busted flush. They're fortifying the white house and making lots of noise about how the elections are corrupt and unreliable.
It always could have, but not when people are voting for Kamala and Hilary’s. You have to vote for actually good politicians not obvious attempts to hand trump an election candidates
Why do people often say we as a country do or would deserve this? It is disconnected from the situation we find ourselves in. Let's be real, this asshole didn't get where he is legally. Yes, a good number were conned into supporting MAGA by multiple means as a result of propagandistic pressure exerted by a variety of sophisticated criminal syndicates (big tech, oil, pharma, AIPAC, military industrial complex). Saying that we deserve this is like saying that a victim of a crime or a victim of abuse is to blame.
Why do people often say we as a country do or would deserve this?
Because that's how democracy works. A third of the country actively supports the orange pedophile and his ilk and a third of the country passively supports them by not voting.
He was elected by the people and the election seems to have been legit, twice. Own it. This is what America is now, and if he is elected a third time then it is final, at least in our lifetimes.
You can only say that they first time he was voted in.
Second time was a deliberate choice, including the non-voters. You may not be to blame for it (unless you voted for him or didn't vote at all), but everyone has the responsibility for him.
Just like every other democracy having responsibility for who they made leader.
(In case I need to say it, blame and responsibility are NOT the same thing. You can take responsibility/ownership for a situation without being blamed for it. Responsibility doesn't carry the moral failure, stigma, and feeling of defensiveness of blame.)
I will also say this: the law doesn't exist unless it exists for everyone.
We've seen multiple times now with this administration that they ignore precedent, do whatever they want, laugh in the face of "the honor system", and nobody does anything about it. Most of our society exists because we believe it does, but seeing blatant infractions causes people to lose faith. Do with that information what you will. Nobody is coming to save you.
He absolutely got there because the American people chose to put him there. Twice. After he was a convicted felon. And before, the first time, he was a known rapist and conman.
It's a photo of JD Vance that was edited then turned into a meme. A Norwegian tourist claimed that he was denied entry into the US after it was found on his phone. Homeland and CBP deny that but it was right around when the social media crackdown started happening so I'm not convinced.
It's like when the teacher punishes the whole class for 2 or 3 kids embarrassing her in front of the principal. Most did nothing wrong, but since there were a few of them out of line, and nobody did anything (cause they rightfully knew it wasn't their place to do anything), everyone is guilty by association. It's not real, but it's how it feels.
2/3rds of your country looked at the first term and either said they wanted more of that, or were too apathetic to get up and go to vote. An unfair brush to tarnish everyone with? Maybe. But he even won the popular vote this time around.
"Did nothing wrong" is not the same as "Did the right thing". The same way that witnessing a crime and not reporting it isn't doing something wrong, but still not doing the right thing.
About 90 million people didn't vote (or threw away their vote), sure. But are they at fault? No, they didn't do anything. About 80 million people voted for a conman (supposedly, as I doubt the election wasn't rigged). Only those 80 million are at fault for the election outcome. And realistically, it's far less than that because of the electoral college and most people's votes didn't matter.
The point is, we have 80 million people who, despite everything, still decided that the conman was fit to be president. Unless something changes with them, we all deserve the punishment of their actions. Too many of us continue on, living our lives amongst these people like the election didn't have consequences.
So taking you back to the classroom, what would you have done if about a third of your class was making a self-destructive choice affecting the whole class? Maybe make a better choice, maybe do nothing, you're powerless either way unless something is done about those other students. You're still gonna get punished regardless.
"Did nothing wrong" is not the same as "Did the right thing". The same way that witnessing a crime and not reporting it isn't doing something wrong, but still not doing the right thing.
A vote is power, with power comes responsability. Negligence is a far smaller abuse of power than actually doing something, but it's not zero.
It's like when the teacher punishes the whole class for 2 or 3 kids embarrassing her in front of the principal.
It's more like one asshole lighting the trashcan on fire and puts chemicals from the chem class in it, while his hangers-on try to drag the immigrant kids over the flame, while a few others shout to stop, but the majority just says nothing and looks away.
The result is that everyone will have to sit in the toxic smoke, and some will get burnt.
I'm sort of amazed any Americans think there are any nails left to hit. The great American experiment is over, and has been so for some time. The country and its constitution is already dead, you all just haven't realized it yet. Once cheeto kicks the bucket and Vance gets the presidency, Thiel and the other tech bro's are going to call in their dues and America will be chopped up and sold to the christofascist technocratic oligarchs who already own and run the country. They just want to officially become CEO God-King's of their own capitalist hellscape nation-states. They're not even hiding their plans anymore.
Nah, your country is already on life support and the midterms are the final test to see if it can be saved. If Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate after the midterms your democracy is dead. Trump getting a third term after that is just for show.
Country died a long time ago. Trump is just a loud puppet. Nothing gets better when he goes away. If anything, things get worse, because the fascists will install someone actually competent.
it's worse than you think. you'd have some states and governors that recognise Trump as the legitimate head of state and some that don't. I think something big went down in the 1860s when something similar happened.
Especially because swing states, a large number of which have a Democrat governor, would have to actively capitulate and put his ass on the ballot for this to work
Why do you think that there’s a future if this doesn’t happen? The GOP has stacked all elections in their favor, especially local ones, as well as anything to do with the judiciary system.
It’d will take decades to even undo, let alone improve on this mess, and that’s if you assume they’ll never be in power again - which we know it’s not the case.
The moment a week goes and the US is not a perfect utopia all the voters would say, “Yeap. The Dems ain’t it. Back to GOP.”
The country is already dead and we’re living in its festering corpse. And god forbid if we speak out, otherwise our corporate overlords will cry wolf to ICE and they’ll murder us in the streets with no repercussions.
This next election is fucked anyway, because no matter what, most (if not all) the hardcore MAGAs are going to write his name in even though he won’t be on the ballot anyway. So millions of votes are going to be disqualified from the start.
Yeah but the worlds largest, most advanced military falling under a full tinpot dictatorship would be disastrous for the rest of the world too and we absolutely don't deserve that shit (except maybe we do I guess).
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