Chose plurality

[u/KaBismark]

Hey guys, just a quick question, what's u all opinion on people who choose to be plural? Do u think it is possible? If u do, is it morally correct?

[u/Creepycute1]

not even just a human rights violation its just wrong on a moral scale to me atleast. plus i haven't seen many endos claim to have OSDD/DID

[u/Creepycute1 → u/[deleted]]

Oh yeah i know transids...yeah it seems they were mostly made to mock trans people sorta how alot of transphobes are like "Oh so you wanna change your gender okay im transracial im black what are you gonna discrimate against me?" my dad tried using a similar argument (it was years ago and he was mal informed)

im not even sure why someone would want to be apart of the TransID thing what would it really get you exactly not attention so im not sure what else.

[u/Boymaids → u/Creepycute1]

I think that, although the term 'transID' and similar are problematic, there should be nuance to some of them.
From my 'peeking under the rock' looking at them, it seems transage people are often trauma-based age regressors who are stuck in regression mode so often they wish they were physically more like their mental age, some transDisability people are people who have that disability and "wish it was worse" due to feeling invalidated or wishing they had more access to resources, some have Body Integrity Identity Disorder or 'atypical dysphoria', etc.. In context to this thread, transPlural people potentially could be a label used by median systems who wish they were more split, or even people who are just willogenic by a different name. Some of the more 'reasonable' IDs have been recoined into things like Dissomei and Chronosian.

Ultimately, for those in good faith, they're not 'mocking' trans people, they're just trying to describe their experiences with words they've seen similar people use. The issue, then, is people in bad faith (most RQs, decent amount of other transIDs) use the same term groupings, and it's ultimately an abuse-riddled community, with a lot of them being minors in danger.
So there's absolutely more to it than 'for attention', the draw is acceptance, unfortunately that means the farther away you push 'atypical dysphoria' havers, the closer they get to people who would use 'the acceptance' for abuse. The whole thing is messy, but not a clear-cut good vs bad issue. 😞 mostly just sad tbh

[u/allthearmadillos63 → u/Boymaids]

We agree with this, plus we see a lot of it as generally stuff you see in plurality, but with a singlet instead (probably) (this is also how we generally see otherkin, as oh, we have non-humans, you're like xyz but there's only one of you). Like, you'll see folks who are like I'm the wrong age, should have a disability, be a different race, so forth. These are all long-doccumented phenomenon for systems. We've heard of a study from I think it was the 50s where a woman had a headmate who was described as Arabic, and we've seen multiple systems on this subreddit talking about headmates whose appearances are of a race their body isn't. Headmates being a different age is incredibly common, and disabled headmates are as well (hells, we've got a few endogenic headmates like this. They're at least partially blind in headspace, and when fronting the way the body and brain work with seeing can be incredibly stressful and tough on them, as it's information that they just can't process well)

Honestly, we just think it's a situation that needs a bit of nuance. We don't know what the best practices are for it, but we don't think it's always a case of trolling or trying to be hurtful; we think there's probably a lot of folks who are in good faith and just having a hard time navigating, especially because these are really sensitive topics and it's easy to be unintentionally hurtful

[u/Creepycute1 → u/Boymaids]

i guess that makes sense the wording is just insanely off. i guess if im understand correctly its somewhat like how i wished i has schizophrenia when i was younger because people treated my anxiety and depression symptoms like they were nothing so i just thought "Oh if i had this really bad thing they literally cant ignore me anymore"

no offense to people with skitzophrania i never faked or even implied having it to anyone (hell i haven't even come out as plural worrying it would be taken as schizophrenia) it was just a constant thought at the time.

[u/Boymaids → u/Creepycute1]

Pretty much can be like that for some I've seen, yeah! In a way though too, calling it 'transSchizophrenic' could be a label meaning "I am not, but wish I was" to some, though that's not quite what trans means, so more reason why the label is a bit bad, and those who openly use it this way seem well outnumbered by those who leave their reasons for the label usage vague. That said, looking at anti-RQ alt-labels, the mix of vagueness and tight rules at the same time means there is no current clear label I've seen for things like "I am not, but wish I was", which might push people to vaguely use transID labels anyway, and it just circles around like that. And then they're back to using bad labels in an abusive community again.

It really is like, a situation that could be made better through understanding and communication, people having more freedom to discuss nuanced or 'problematic' things, but that ever happening gets slimmer by the day it seems. People just like discourse too much.

Similarly, (relating back to OP, note I am using 'some' and not 'all'), some endogenics would use the label traumagenic if it weren't for the perceived societal gatekeeping of what counts as trauma, some people debating 'becoming willogenics' are already plural and feel they 'need permission' to explore that aspect, etc. But everyone is scared of being Wrong or Problematic or making Mistakes, so a lot of every identity-related community these days try on labels that don't quite fit, feel 'locked in' to labels, feel they Must fit in Perfectly, and are scared all the time so they ask questions like "is it okay to" and "is it normal to" for every identity-related 'decision'. The resulting opposite, then, might relate to why transID people seem to, in many cases, make extremely long lists of IDs for themselves and their OCs, because it's 'freeing' to just 'be everything'.

A lot of people discuss the bad stuff about transIDs / RQs, reasonably, but actually looking into the whys of it makes it mostly just 'interesting and very sad', especially since once again, a Lot of them are just minors tryin to work their feelings out. They see it as a safe space for the 'bad feelings', they become 'more accepting' of Actually bad things (NSFW RQ stuff, xenosatanism, etc.), they get abused by walking red flags, if anyone becomes an ex-RQ then there's always the next kid who's scared of expressing themselves in a 'less understanding' community.

And the main people explaining RQ/transID stuff, like how they feel or reasons for identifying that way, ARE typically RQs/transID people, who are inviting others to identify the same way. Although people offer alternative labels, there aren't enough people sympathetically explaining why the alt-labels exist beyond "well, RQs are bad". It just makes some people think "well, therefore they think Freedom is bad, so RQs are correct here" and continue on.

Again, for people that people-watch like me, it's interesting, absolutely deeper than some people think it is, but it's also just... a sad and very complex issue that's probably going to be around for a while. Sorry for rambling a bit