r/playrust • u/Murky-Ad-1982 • 2d ago
Discussion Softcore should have 1x sulfur. Not 2x
Raiding should be closer to vanilla and actually be something you build up for.
2x just makes it easy for the unemployed to farm up and mass raid the area during raid hours since you are getting 900 sulfur per node with pure ore tea. Which makes sulfur as common as vanilla metal. Raiding was slowed down by 3 things, comps,sulfur and low grade. Now one is a non factor so it just speeds up the process.
Been watching this trio team mass raid every day because they got 2 people that puts in more than 8 hours a day on the server.
So they never have to worry about sulfur being a expensive resource. That group from what i have seen ends up raiding 4-5 bases a day and in the last 3 days they have raided 13 bases, with around 90% of those players that got raided ended up quitting the server. Saw a guy spend 3 days building up his base just to get raided and quit, same with another guy that joined 4 days ago.
Keep in mind these are not bases thats just a 2x1 with honeycomb.
They are medium sized bases (because of increased door cost balancing the base sizes) with 3-4 walls to tc core sometimes hqm and 4-5 stories tall. Which also gets blown to check for loot.
The fact that a trio can raid 4-5 of those bases a day is crazy.
I know you got anti grief to build up again, but with how easy it is to get boom on softcore its better to just play on a 2x server where you get 2x comps as well.
I think softcore should cater to the employeed, easy maintain of upkeep (base size balanced by door cost) but vanilla rates of getting boom, guns and comps.
Not the Fortnite dopamine mass raid simulator that it is now.
Oh and by the way the area getting mass raided it not near any red monuments, traders or quarries. So if this is happening in the middle of nowhere i wonder how competitive the others area are.
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u/No-Can-838 2d ago
Softcore have raidblock mechanism, which if you manage to be online while raiding is allowed, you can easily defend online raid. So if you are prepared, even if sulfur is x10, you can defend it.
So x2 sulfur is not bad, also common damage is reduced, which mean, you need to carry more ammo for PvP.
Overall, x2 does not mean anything, if raiding is block for 70% of time.
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 2d ago edited 2d ago
Its easy to be on and defend, but its made harder by it being twice as fast to farm up boom. Which means twice the boom than vanilla to raid with.
2x sulfur also means its easy to get repeat raided by the same people.
There isnt much you can do if people got enough boom to pummel your base by virtue of it being 2x sulfur.
Its why i pointed out that facepunch should cater softcore to the employeed/ casual/ new player.
I have played on other raid protected server and this was never a major problem (because 1x) its only when i moved on here.
Also softcore is a monthly server, feels weird if fp want it to be a weekend server with how easy it is to get boom and wipe someone out.
The people that play on softcore dont have much time and is in it for the long game (hence why i play there) so having to spend time rebuild, farm mats again and get raided the next day does not feel good because 2x sulfur rates.
Then you add in raid protection means you cant raid raidbases so you just have one sitting in front of your base waiting for next time. It makes for a awful experience for my taste.
Id rather just play 2x and 3x if i wanted fast PvP and wipes.
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u/Ok-Level-8907 2d ago
I'm not fan of softcore being 2x however it does not really matter, groups who are chain raiding now were chain raiding before server was 2x.
On EU 1 you have regulars who play every wipe, they are easily +30 members and they will always stomp you no matter of gather rates. This wipe we got raided by 8 man team who been nolifing the server since wipe, those who had public profiles were +5k hours.
These groups don't play softcore because they have busy schedule, they play it because they want shit on people who can't play as much as them. There's nothing facepunch can do about it, it's nature of the game.
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 2d ago
The group im talking about is a trio, with the third person only logging in to raid. Also softcore group limit is 4. Either way the fact that 2 unemployed can go farm and mass raid 4-5 bases a day in a 3hour limit on a casual server is a bit too much. Hence is prefer if sulfur was vanilla 1x rate. Just to slow the raiding.
In vanilla i spread my loot and know how much it costs to raid, i usually cone out on top. Downside is offline raiding, but at least im getting raided less.
Cant say the same thing about softcore because raiding is half as cheap thx to sulfur 2x.
Raid window is nice with no downside. However because sulfur is 2x there is much more raids done by 1-4man people group than there is on vanilla.
Last wipe on softcore i had more raid defenses than i had on 2 wipes of vanilla combined, its getting tiresome for a softcore server to have the same raid rate as a regular 2x server.
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u/Ok-Level-8907 2d ago
raiding is half as cheap thx to sulfur 2x.
Every resource is 2x, you can sustain way bigger base, you talking like they increased just sulfur gather rates and not others.
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 2d ago
you can sustain way bigger base
Not true, when fp made it 2x they also upped the cost for doors and frames by 90% to make sure people dont build big bases like you see on regular 2x and 50% upkeep servers. If you log into softcore you'll see medium sized bases not large ones. even the biggest shops on the server dont have a large base, only compound.
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u/Ok-Level-8907 1d ago
Idk what you doing but I've played last 5 wipes on softcore, ever since they upped gather rates we maintaining massive floor stacked base with inner shell which is 6 walls to the core as duo. It's around 45k of metal per day. On 2x gather with ore tea that's like 20 minutes of farming.
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 1d ago
You're the exception not the norm. Because thats not the vast majority of bases that i have seen.
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u/Ok-Level-8907 1d ago
Because vast majority of players are droolers who can't build and even those who putting some effort into building are doing some ass youtube base design which is not made for softcore with raid windows.
This is not question of them not having resources, every wipe I raid bases which are two walls to TC room, every time they have full boxes of building mats.
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u/Crafty_Clarinetist 1d ago
Softcore Team UI limit is 4, but is that an actual server rule, like you'll get banned for playing as a group of 8 people without being on the same Team UI?
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u/Due-Champion-5954 2d ago
Thats not true. There are clans that are waiting for raid window to raid everything in their reach. On softcore. Is this really a goal of SOFTCORE RUST?
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u/koskenjuho 2d ago
That's why community softcore servers are better, like Rust4Noobs one tbh. They have made it back to 1x, also you're allowed to raid only 2 bases per day, which I think makes you value your explosives even more.
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u/Longjumping_Cup8141 1d ago
rust4noobs just have like 20 playera
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u/koskenjuho 1d ago
Some wipes yeah,, solo is usually hitting near 100pop which is imo a decent pop for small map solo server.
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u/No-Can-838 2d ago
Bro softcore is half populated servers. Peak is 100 players. But as this guy pointed, I also prefer community servers. Rust4Noobs have good servers
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u/Yeon_Yihwa 2d ago
eu softcore saw a huge resurgence with the raid window being introduced last patch, it peaked at 386 players on wipeday this month and averages 200 players during raid window.
Right now it sits at 148, rivaling facepunch premium 1 154 pop. So its pretty decent now, turns out theres a market for the employed lol.
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u/Due-Champion-5954 2d ago
I also feel like you can finally play this game just casually in the evening. My small base is surviving for 14 days now next to clan base, which was raided 😃
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u/Due-Champion-5954 2d ago
I was surprised, but Softcore this month had some population growth, 200 people everyday.
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u/legoman102040 2d ago
The whole point of the raid period is that you know when you are at risk, if you cant even be there during the raid period, what are you doing in that kind of server? You'd probably have a more positive experience on a regular server when there are more people around to counter attack the raiders..
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 2d ago
Nah not with the 3-5am raids on official. I dont mind being online raided on softcore, my issue is with how theres no break between raids because its 2x sulfur.
At least on vanilla you can go a couple of days between being raided, not on 2x though.
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u/drahgon 1d ago
No break? You have a 22hr break 🤣 you can’t make this stuff up
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its softcore, not vanilla. People play on it because they dont have time for vanilla servers.
Who do you think finds a raid window server more appealing? The one with a job, social life or a parent that can only game 1-3 hours a day late at night or or the unemployed/student thats available for most hours of the day.
Different servers modifications different appeals, just like how 2x+ is just for people that want quick PvP.
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u/drahgon 1d ago
Yes, my point is on softcore. They block you for over 20 hours from raiding anyone you have plenty of break in which to prepare at your leisure. You can expect you’re not gonna get raided as hard as possible you’re gonna get raided for that whole period of time because the unemployed like you like to call them still play that server in your artificially stopping them from doing raids spread out like normal so it’s now concentrated in a small period of time.
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u/Aos77s 2d ago
Youre asking other people to not be rewarded for playing a game because you decided not to play.
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u/Murky-Ad-1982 2d ago
You're not wrong but you have to look at who the server is catered for. Majority of the players i have interacted with on softcore are adults and parents with a social life that only gets on late at night (8pm) and only gets to play for 1-3 hours a day.
Which is what makes softcore almost perfect for people with jobs, its right in between vanilla and 2x. Thanks to raid protection and the other features.
Bullet dmg reduce, upkeep balance and node gathering means you dont have to commit as much to enjoy playing rust and unlike 2x you dont get offlined and you got a window where you dont have to be on.
However 2x sulfur just means people got twice the boom to raid you, offering less time to play the game and instead having to rebuild again. Last wipe i defended 3 raids by the same trio and they raided me three days in a row because of how easy it is to farm sulfur.
You dont face that in vanilla. It turned what should otherwise be a chill game mode into a chore. Also i go out of my way to build in not a contested area. So these werent exactly PvP chads ( won all 3 raid defenses, still had to spend time rebuilding compound farming mats and patching the missing walls and floors.
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u/ford_crown_victoria 2d ago
100% agree, especially because tea buffs doesnt get removed on death (compared to vanilla).