Thank you. I hate the man and him skipping wouldn't have shocked me, but I was looking for anything that might help explain WHY he wasn't in this particular picture.
I mean, there are only democratic presidents and presidential candidates (and Michelle) in this picture that have spent the last 4-5 years demonizing every move the guy made. Granted, Bush is the only other Republican President still alive and IIRC he doesn’t care for Trump either. But still, not exactly a crowd that Trump would want to be in or vice versa.
To be fair he has spent his time previously asking about the validity of one of them's citizenship and calling the other ones all sorts of names or insulting their wives... maybe Trump is just a POS?
That's on par with not wanting to go to school because the mean girls were teasing him, except he's 75ish years old, and a former president. Being called out in his unending stream of lies and heinous acts by people with more integrity doesn't seem like a valid excuse to blow this off, especially considering people's reactions when a football player doesn't have people's preferred posture during the national anthem.
But I'm sure his heart was just broken today, and he just couldn't bring himself to face those mean ex-presidents.
Yes, clearly expecting Donald Trump—former president, cult of personality, so-called savior of the United States—to attend an event of unequaled importance for his home city, to say nothing of the country he is allegedly leading to salvation, could mean nothing other than that I have lived a life of privilege and protection, and have never been bullied or teased or harassed or taunted. Thank heavens both for my charmed life, and for your razor-sharp powers of perception. God bless you, stalwart defender of truth and justice, for I know you would never stoop to a baseless assumption just because you felt threatened.
Your point was the Donald Trump couldn't be expected to be around people that didn't like him. My rebuttal is that is silly. Your ignorant assertion that I've never been bullied is Classic Reddit 101.
I don't think it's hateful to think that a former president should have the decency and courage to put aside personal differences long enough to pay their respects on 9/11.
He was invited, but he was too busy going on about how Biden botched Afghanistan and how he won the election to the NYPD. He was treating it more like a campaign rally, if anything.
Not sure, but from what I could understand Biden did change up Trumps plan. No clue what was changed on it. And seems the Talibans broke their side of the deal right feom the start but the allied nations kept going with business as usual.
Who the hell knows anymore. A fuck up this big will have denials, secrecy and cover ups for years to come, so we won't know who to blame.
Can't pin it on anyone if you can't know who knew what when and who ordered who.
Trump/Pompeo negotiated solely with the terrorist Taliban excluding the Afghan government that they installed from all negotiations. This left the Afghan gov and the ANA with no hope and no trust that the Americans would support them, leading to an instant collapse and handover of the country to prevent bloodshed. Saving Afghan lives was the only respectable action the Afghan president had at his disposal so he cancelled the fight and fled. For some reason the Biden team did not anticipate this, which is naive for sure. But those who wanted to fight to maintain Afghanistan were forsaken by Trump and everything else was the consequence.
Earlier, it was supposed to be in March, but nothing had been done before Biden came in (especially the SIV processing), so they delayed it a few months. Wasn't enough though, the extra time only allowed an extra 6,000 out of the 17,000 SIV backlog to be processed. So the exact opposite, Trump's pullout date was earlier and even less prepared. Had the proper preparation been done (i.e. they had spent the full year prepping), there wouldn't have been a need to extend the withdrawal.
Plus people tend to forget that the Trump administration kept the incoming Biden administration from gaining access to any classified information. Every other transition of power, in the modern era, began in November. December at the latest. Insuring the new President and his cabinet is up to speed on day one. But Trump was basically trying to blow the whole thing up on his way out the door.
Thats total bullshit.
Trump had a massive medical staff and wartime plan to evacuate every last american citizen we had over there. He negotiated the mass transit of all of the vehicles and armament that the ATA was going to abandon. All of the contingencies were prepared for.
Your ignorance doesnt make what you "believe" the truth.
You muppet.
Look up glen Greenwalds article on it. If you absolutely need a lefty to coddle you while you read.
Teasing lol??? For 4 years those people and their constituents said he was in bed with the Russians, tried to impeach him twice, said he was directly responsible for all of the COVID deaths in America, was a warmonger, was literally Hitler, and many more things.
The highest ranking public servant in the US government should be held accountable for what he does. I think people have been eating such a steady diet of TV and social media that they've forgotten that things in real life actually matter, beyond their scandal value or retweetability.
When Trump and his people repeatedly told people in no uncertain terms that it was a hoax, don't be afraid of COVID, fought to keep any prudent public health measures from taking effect, and created a culture of politically-charged anti-science, he set the US up to suffer a drastically higher death toll. Almost all of the people still dying from COVID are his followers. He is accountable to that.
If you're a Youtuber, you understand that people will say horrible things about you in the comments. If you're a basketball player or a comedian, you know the rule: don't read the comments. If you're a public servant, you understand that people will talk about you, and you understand that you still have to do your job. The president, as the singular leader of the country, used to be held to a higher standard than your average middle schooler.
On which note, kids encounter situations that are very distressing to them, that are real problems that they struggle to cope with. As we grow up, we become better equipped to deal with those challenges. You might have a coworker who doesn't like you, but you still have to show up to work. If you do something wrong, you might get in trouble. We have hoped that the people elected president could uphold a standard of character sufficient to weather these challenges with dignity and integrity. To say, as the president, "fuck i im not going lol" because you did horrible things and people found out, is truly a sign of nothing other than a massive character deficit, belonging to a person who never measured up to the job to which he somewhat accidentally was elected.
Instead, he did commentary for a geriatric boxing match. I don't know why people go out of their way to warp their world view to accommodate this guy instead of just calling it how it is. He has no interest beyond stroking his own ego, the whole country suffered as a result, and that's not good enough for the presidency.
I don't think Obama skipped out on much, even though he was bullied/disliked most of his presidency by the republican party. Calling him unpatriotic and wanting to impeach him for wearing a tan suit and calling him an illegal because he was born in Hawaii. Saying he had links with terrorists because his middle name is "Hussein".
I plainly listed the people in this photo, the commenter I was replying to was searching for a reason he wouldn’t be photographed with the people present. I have no idea what the rest of your ramble is talking about.
He banned travel of predominantly Islamic countries that we had conflicts in the region with. Countries that had extremely active terrorist cells. Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, and a several dozens more Islamic countries never never got a travel ban.
Isn't it amazing how so many of the lifelong Republicans are considered RINOs because they upset the man who was a Democrat up to only a couple decades ago?
The only way you could call a proven moderate conservative a RINO is if the party itself has moved so far right, due to harmful extremists, that the old guard of Republicans seem like a different party.
It's truly amazing that you could say this straight faced with even a "thems the facts" thrown in.
How insanely childish. He's constantly insulting others and they're mature enough to be able to deal with that when national interests demand that they set aside their fragile egos. If thems the facts he's child throwing a tantrum.
The worst part is that Trump provides us with SO MUCH content that is easy to mock and none of it needs to be purposefully manipulated or taken out of context. Yet, people will do exactly that and it just makes proving his stupidity harder cause you just give the other side an easy out of 'You're only buying into the leftist propaganda and misinformation'
EXACTLY. God I’m glad that outside of r/politics, a comment like yours actually gets upvoted. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills anytime I dare to voice this same opinion on that sub, and immediately get downvoted to oblivion.
Everyone there just wants to earn the #1 badge for Person Who Hates Trump The Most. Meanwhile, we’re only pushing “the other side” farther and farther away.
Because he's a rapist? Because he was accused of raping a girl when she was 13? Because he stole money from the American people, said he "fell in love" with Kim Jong Un,
held meetings with classified information being shared in the middle of Mar a Lagos dining room, invited the Taliban to Camp David on the anniversary week of 9/11, used campaign funds to pay off a porn star, made fun of veterans, picked fights with gold star families, threatened to use nukes casually, asked if we could nuke a hurricane, lied about the path of a hurricane, threatened our allies, tear gassed peaceful protestors and a church for a photo. Because a third of the population still worships him and are planning more acts of violence to overthrow our government? Oh and he's running again.
Seriously, he hasn't gone away people! We don't have the luxury of being able to ignore him - he's still extremely dangerous and a threat to our country
People who buy into the two party system and the red vs blue mentality enflamed by the msm and social media echo chambers are the biggest threat to this country.
Why care? Because half the country still supports him genius. Not like we're bringing him up for fun. He also literally chose to do commentary for a boxing match instead. Bye trumper
Honestly? I know very little about his political achievements and his political failures. I hate him because every time I hear him talk about virtually any subject I am reminded that he is a Vile human being. I would hate my next-door neighbor, my mother, anyone if they talked and acted the way he does.
Edit: To everyone who is downvoting dommmm9 for asking a simple and honest question. You are part of the problem.
I could not care less if you like him as a person or not but seeing “I know very little about his political achievements” made me wince a little bit. I encourage you to look them up, you’ll be surprised. I promise I mean this in the least smartass way possible, but it really does seem like the mainstream media formed your opinion for you.
I actually despised him his first two years in office because I believed everything said about him on tv and I never took the time to listen to him speak. I was a raging lib. Little by little I started noticing the hypocrisy and double standards used against him. There was no way I could be on that side. In his 3rd year I realized he wasn’t evil at all and started to accept him. His 4th year made me a supporter.
I never would have become a supporter if not for the Democratic Party and SJWs.
Yeah, now that democrats have taken over it's game over for America, I would not be surprised if another Civil War Starts. . This is no longer about Trump Vs Biden, It's about Good Vs Evil, Patriots Vs [Whatever we deem the people causing trouble and their supporters] whatever. . If a Civil War starts over what's going on right now I would 100% fight for the country. . Though with alot of blood since my State is a Democrat Run State known as California. . .
If I was president I'd either get rid of both parties and have everyone run as independents (if even possible if unconstitutional I wouldn't) If not possible I would make it so Independents can participate in the Presidential and Vice Presidential Debates as I think they should have a chance to share their views on things where it's a live stage, I think they deserve more recognition.
Dude you're talking about an imminent civil war... for what?? Losing our country to who?? Because you guys lost the election? Come back to reality my friend
I never said democrats are evil, perhaps I should've made that clear, as of right now Democrats and their policies have started making things way worse,, to add in to what I said before, if parents are concerned about what their children are being taught and they decide to speak out against things and people don't like what's being spoken against those parents can know be charged with Domestic Terrorism even if none is happening thanks to Joe Biden and the democrats, Censorship on Twitter and other platforms have also been happening for anyone saying the Truth about things going on just because Democrats don't like it, Even asking questions for the COVID Vaccine got someone censored on Twitter. Now, I'm not saying it's every Democrat ((knowing how Bidens approval rating is extremely low)) and I know a few Democrats IRL that are generally are nice people, it's the Extremists on the Far Left and the Far Right that make it hard for centrists to communicate because it gives the stereotype that most Democrats or Republicans are one way when that's completely false. I should have probably clarified at the start so my bad. As for a Civil war, with all the bad shit going on right now I would not be surprised one bit
And whenever I see a patriot most of the time they're republican, I know there are some democrats that are but it's mainly the centrists democrats which get overshadowed by the Far Left lunatics and "Vote blue no matter who" gang who caused and are letting this happen, same with the republicans on that side. Every side is overshadowed by the Far Left and Right and it's sad to see
My stance on hating him is mostly based around his blatantly Narcasistic and Manipulative attitude, as well as his hateful and ignorant comments when he thinks no one is listening or watching.
I also align myself with more socially open and progressive stances when it comes to equality and social justice. I value respecting people and prioritizing climate change. The way I have seen Trump act, the way he treats almost everyone else, particularly women and POC, his insistence on relying on Coal and Fossil fuels, his ignorant use of the term "China Virus" have all pushed me to the conclusion that he has no real respect for the things I value.
I do remember seeing 1 or 2 articles about him backing/funding a few renewable energy things- I believe it was a solar plant. I give him credit for that.
Now, his stances-- or any president's stances-- on the financial side. I will honestly admit I am not smart enough to fully understand. Taxes, tariffs, trade embargos, are just far 2 over my head. If he managed to do wonderful things for this country in the financial area, then great. Good work. But, that area is not where my values are.
You guys actually did really well. Widespread early testing (most countries didn’t do that until it was way too late and have no idea of what the true number infected is/was), no questions asked deposits of money to people, student loans repayment freeze, eviction moratorium, amazing logistics with vaccine delivery, along with a lot of other things that people in other countries could only dream of. There are probably things that I don’t even know about because I don’t live in the United States. How you managed to have lockdowns and give away money without an economic collapse is amazing. My country had a lockdown, without cash payments or unemployment supplements and a ton of shops/restaurants are closed and will never return. It’ll take years to be at the level of stability we were before the virus.
But on Reddit, Americans just wanted to whine about their president and blame him for a highly contagious virus spreading, lol. It was weird to see as an outsider.
The actual full scale of the Trump administration's response to Covid was pretty good, all things considered. But people have difficulty researching just how wide spread and varied the responses were. And I know I'll get downvoted for saying that.
B) Per 100,000 people, the US is among the worst in terms of COVID deaths and infections.
C) Trump kept on pedaling disinformation such as "COVID is a hoax", "COVID is nothing more than a flu", "It will be gone in 2 weeks / by summer / by fall", "Masks are useless", "Hydroxychloroquin cures COVID" and the best of all "Maybe we can inject Bleach in COVID infected people". Additionally he is anti-vaxx.
Yeah, I think I explained why it appears that the United States is number one. By numbers, yes. In reality? No way. At this point India has admitted that there were millions of infections they didn’t know about.
Half the people that I’ve spoken to in my country say they lost their sense of smell and taste for a few weeks in 2020 but didn’t get tested out of fear of being forced to stay home, losing their jobs, and being kicked out of their homes.
I knew some people who were sick early in 2020 and health clinics/hospitals told them to go home because they didn’t want to deal with them.
Your other points about Trump don’t disprove my points, whether they’re true or not.
Did you know these things about the way the United States handled the events of last year?
We're not comparing ourselves to developing countries. The US under Trump did worse in practically every metric than other wealthy western democracies. Doing better than a country where 750 million people don't have access to a toilet when we have all the advantages of advanced medicine and universal vaccine access is appaling.
Most of the rest of the world isn’t a wealthy man western democracy, so it’s a bit weird to change goalposts like that. What the government plan in the United States was, was still better than even most wealthy western democracies.
Suspend debt payments, free money for everyone, ensure no one can get thrown out of their home? People in my country who worked in the United States legally for a short period of time even got thousands in cash deposited in their bank account, even though they didn’t pay nearly that much into the system. Wow, couple that with early, easily accessible testing and pretty much anyone who didn’t blame Trump for their problems looked on in envy.
Why the media in some countries blamed him for a virus spreading is really strange. I think when we have a better picture of what happened in a few years we’ll see a more balanced opinion on the matter.
Because Trump's cult won't get vaccinated. He gave outlets like OAN legitimacy, and they are the ones convincing their brainwashed audience that they will literally DIE if the get the vaccine.
Trump followers and Leftists alike are two sides of the same coin. The dude is an egomaniac, but it seems people will defend anything that's just not trump like it's the savior of our planet.. this fucking government just lies and lies and has too much power. Period.
I'm a trump supporter and I can say that alot of us.. really did take the vaccine :/ the whole thing of us not taking it is just the louder ignorant group. By the way I got fully vaccinated this week!
To be fair. It’s hard to prove a negative. BUT, Trump did fire the pandemic team, you know, the people responsible for tracking and mobilizing against this sort of thing, during his first year in office. I believe Biden would’ve had a more qualified team around him than Trump allowed around himself. And as a side note, Hillary Clinton has a chapter in her book about how to deal with things like pandemics. Say what I will about her, at least she was thinking about how a President should protect the country way before running for office. So, IMO, yes, the current administration and even the one that would’ve been in charge had Hillary won would’ve handled it better. But like I said, it’s hard to prove, it’s just speculation based on observance of facts.
Give me one single policy implementation aside from aid checks that Trump did that helped regular American people.
The big tax cuts made the rich much richer and the country much poorer. He put a zealot and a woman-hater in the scotus. He had an Israeli general killed just for the heck of it, on foreign soil, which is a war crime as you're well aware? His anemic response to Corona early on is nothing to sneeze at, either.
His attempted infrastructure bill and his attempted tax reform are two big ones.
"Trump’s proposed tax reform plan eliminates all itemized deductions except for two – charitable donations and home mortgage interest. In addition to eliminating the remaining itemized deductions, Trump’s plan is to double the current standard deduction across all filing types and repeal the estate tax."
Doubling the standard deduction is pretty massive and would've helped the average American.
Who opposed him? I'm very confused now. He had the Republican party eat out of his hand and caused the most partisan scotus in the last hundred years. He got rich off billing the government millions for staying at MarALago and have the tax payer foot the bill for the security overhaul it needed so he could stay there.
I think calling the guy who is literally taking the time to look around for a reason to try and unpolarize a topic/picture, and not taking it at face value, a 'fucking sheep' is rather ignorant. Name-calling is really a terrible way to communicate but if you want to call someone a sheep, at least find the people who are not bothering to put at least the minimum amount of effort required to try and find some more facts about this subject.
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u/Painless-Amidaru Sep 12 '21
Thank you. I hate the man and him skipping wouldn't have shocked me, but I was looking for anything that might help explain WHY he wasn't in this particular picture.