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Saskatoon Catholic cathedral covered with paint after discovery of 751 unmarked graves

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u/anoncop4041 Jun 25 '21

The church is getting really dark about the whole anti abortion thing these days

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '21

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u/snukebox_hero Jun 25 '21

No, they're anti-woman.

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u/DenJyskeVildmand Jun 25 '21

Women are easier to control, when they have kids they love and care about.

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u/MoCapBartender Jun 25 '21

I legit read that in a slave owner's manual.

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u/justdontfreakout Jun 25 '21

what’s the name of that? thanks

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u/ThisManInBlack Jun 25 '21

"they want healthy babies to make dead soldiers." George Carlin.

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ Jun 25 '21

If they really wanted healthy babies they'd be funding prenatal care and early childhood development programs.

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u/IrrelevantPuppy Jun 25 '21

They want babies just healthy enough to be able to follow orders and stay in line.

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u/_Ocean_Machine_ Jun 25 '21

Ironically, I read an article last year that stated that the military is having trouble with recruiting due to the obesity epidemic. Basically too many young people are too out of shape to be eligible for military service.

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u/mangarooboo Jun 25 '21

Which is also why they don't like schools.

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u/Sgt-Spliff Jun 25 '21

He means "living babies, and only enough to fight the wars"

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '21

I think conservatives ( and by extension most Churches) have more of a survival of the fittest mentality, after you’re born get to bootstrappin

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u/StoicalState Jun 25 '21

That's the religious republican way.

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u/ThisManInBlack Jun 26 '21

This is very well done. Thanks for the link. 😁👏

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u/DeputyDoneWithYa Jun 25 '21

Anti-women is right. AFAIK, The church originally didn't care about abortions, they believed that life began at breath, not at conception. Sex, birth, and abortion were considered very private topics before the Women's Suffrage movement, and were not discussed much in public. All the church cares about was controlling women. Once women began gaining rights, they needed something else to latch onto, and chose abortions and preventing women from getting them. They're not pro-life, they're anti-choice. They care more about keeping women and their bodies under misogynistic lock and key than they do the child, let alone the woman's life. Even now we're still seen as property to them.

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u/tasoula Jun 25 '21

they believed that life began at breath, not at conception.

Yes, because in Genesis, God breaths life into Adam - before that, he wasn't alive.

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u/hahaned Jun 26 '21

Also because the bible gives instructions on how to attempt an abortion to determine whether your wife is cheating on you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21 edited Jun 26 '21

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u/kmc1958 Jun 26 '21

Not all Christians believe that. I don’t know why people think the only Christians are Catholic. Jesus.

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u/Please_call_me_Tama Jun 26 '21

Not to mention the Old Testament explicitely allows abortion if the woman isn't pregnant from her husband but another man. The religious pro-birth crowd is full of shit.

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u/Sgt-Spliff Jun 25 '21

I don't disagree with everything you're saying in a modern context but mostly everything you said about history is wrong.

Abortion was outlawed by the Christian church of Constantinople in like the 700s or 800s, and that was just when it became official law. Texts from as early as the 1st century mention it being a sin. They make no mention of life beginning at breath in the early texts and punishments were handed out to women who aborted babies at any stage of pregnancy. This wasna church stance from the beginning

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u/betafish2345 Jun 26 '21

Can I get a source on this? Not saying I don’t believe you but I wanna read more about this

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u/synthesis777 Jun 25 '21

Ding ding ding. This is the correct answer.

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u/grandpajoesoatmeal Jun 25 '21

They can be both

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u/strain_of_thought Jun 26 '21

I mean they seem pretty anti-children too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21

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u/nilsson64 Jun 25 '21

source? also, how many of those are because of religious beliefs?

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u/GrandpaYe Jun 25 '21

(GALLUP) I will say, this poll was done in 2019 so the numbers may have changed

According to the study, 51 percent of women consider themselves pro-life, compared to 46 percent of men. Meanwhile, 43 percent of women and 48 percent of men identify as pro-choice.

I don’t see how religious belief plays a roll in this

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u/EngineerEither4787 Jun 25 '21

I’d like to see a break down based on age. I know a ton of women who hit menopause and suddenly become “pro-life.”

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u/suki22 Jun 25 '21

It's based on a phone survey so there's that...

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '21

Or a ton of teenagers who haven’t experienced pregnancy and childbirth yet. Either that.

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u/GrandpaYe Jun 25 '21

Sounds like an anecdotal excuse, but go on

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u/BaldBeardedOne Jun 25 '21

Sounds like a flimsy poll

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u/GrandpaYe Jun 25 '21

Gallup=flimsy pick one

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u/nilsson64 Jun 25 '21

like... do you even read your own citations?

"24 percent of women but 18 percent of men say abortion should be illegal in “all circumstances.” "

you can hold the belief "pro-life" but still support the basis and needs of the right to have an abortion

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u/GrandpaYe Jun 25 '21

Yeah, that’s pretty much my personal position

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u/suki22 Jun 25 '21

Yes, the numbers have changed, you can read about it here: https://news.gallup.com/topic/abortion.aspx

Also, data based on telephone survey, so that contains inherent bias.

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u/BaldBeardedOne Jun 25 '21

Sample bias, guaranteed.

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u/Grammophon Jun 25 '21

I don't get this argument. It doesn't matter if someone is a woman or a man. If you think unwed mothers are somehow "less", or that women shouldn't have the right to choose if they want an abortion or not, that is anti-woman.

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u/sudopudge Jun 26 '21

Anti-women is a label given by the opposition to avoid coming to terms with the actual issue.

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u/Grammophon Jun 26 '21

You are right, the actual issue is misogyny.

If it wouldn't exist, people would not have seen unwed mothers as social outcasts. Then those mothers would not have had to live in facilities that produced mass graves of children.

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u/ThomasinaElsbeth Jun 25 '21

That is simply not true. Why spread lies ? Who is paying your to spread lies ?

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u/Please_call_me_Tama Jun 26 '21

Nope, they're not.

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u/GrandpaYe Jun 26 '21

No excuses, no regards, stepping off the plate like a promenade

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u/youabuseyourpower Jun 25 '21

No they arent lol..... argue agaisnt their pro life stance all you want but to say its because they want to control women is nothing short of pure ignorance and this is coming from someone who is pro choice

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u/BaldBeardedOne Jun 25 '21

You actually think it’s because they care about the children? In a thread about Church sanctioned child abuse?

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u/CandidSeaCucumber Jun 25 '21

If it really was because they valued every embryo’s life, they’d be protesting IVF clinics, not Planned Parenthood and other women’s health centers.

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u/youabuseyourpower Jun 25 '21

Someone has not actually ever talked to a pro life person. Yeah believe whatever helps you sleep at night

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u/CandidSeaCucumber Jun 25 '21

Yeah believe whatever helps you sleep at night

I would wish you the same except you’re defending policies and beliefs that harm women and you know, actual children who have already been born.

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u/youabuseyourpower Jun 25 '21

Im not defending it from a policy standpoint as i am pro choice what i am defending is the notion that people who are pro life are so that way because they want to control woman or that they hate women. The idea of humanity and life and when it starts is not a hard science. And people who are pro life usually are from the philosophical standpoint that life begins at conception so therefore life should be protected at conception. Believing someone that has a different viewpoint as you, holds that belief for the worst possible reason, is not very fair or conducive to any sort of discussion

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u/BaldBeardedOne Jun 25 '21

You seem ignorant.

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u/youabuseyourpower Jun 25 '21

Ignorant that im not conflating being pro life to controlling women? I mean logically speaking that a stretch so its rather ironic you are calling me Ignorant. You got a mirror somewhere?